Estro Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 When I watch Josh Allen I see Blaine Gabbert, which is the player he reminded me of coming into the draft. He has the same 2 fatal flaws: Wildly Inaccurate, which IMO, is not fixable & Drops his eyes and stares at the rush when he feels pressure. Gun to my head, my take right now.....hes going to be a massive flop, as many smart people predicted he'd be.
jrober38 Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 On 10/15/2018 at 1:57 AM, oldmanfan said: You said specifically back then you would have traded everything to get him. And thus far his career has been less than impressive. Good game today, less than impressive overall. You like to pontificate about QBs as if you have some grand understanding of the position. In reality you're no more knowledgeable than anyone else and based on your Winston love worse than most. Expand Sounds completely insane but if you say I did then okay. Jameis Winston would represent a massive upgrade over the garbage we have at QB right now. I don't understand what point you're trying to make.
oldmanfan Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 On 10/15/2018 at 2:02 AM, jrober38 said: Sounds completely insane but if you say I did then okay. Jameis Winston would represent a massive upgrade over the garbage we have at QB right now. I don't understand what point you're trying to make. Expand My point is simple and stated above. You come in here as if you're some sort of QB expert and you're not as shown by your Winston love. You also like to cherry pick throws. You've harped on Allen's first throw of the game as if that proves he can never succeed and ignore a number of other good throws he made today. The kid has things to learn but objective views suggest he is coming along. To make my point even clearer: you aren't knowledgeable about QBs. Does that explain it clearly enough?
Best Player Available Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 On 10/15/2018 at 2:02 AM, jrober38 said: Sounds completely insane but if you say I did then okay. Jameis Winston would represent a massive upgrade over the garbage we have at QB right now. I don't understand what point you're trying to make. Expand If Fitz had not reverted back to form. Winston would be riding pine. That's how much faith the Bucs really have in him and his BS.
oldmanfan Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 On 10/15/2018 at 2:01 AM, Estro said: When I watch Josh Allen I see Blaine Gabbert, which is the player he reminded me of coming into the draft. He has the same 2 fatal flaws: Wildly Inaccurate, which IMO, is not fixable & Drops his eyes and stares at the rush when he feels pressure. Gun to my head, my take right now.....hes going to be a massive flop, as many smart people predicted he'd be. Expand Go back and watch the game. Watch his throws. Seriously. I knew the outcome before I watched and read some of the crap posted before I did. So I watched specifically to see how Allen did. The kid made one truly bad throw today, his first pass of the game.
jrober38 Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 On 10/15/2018 at 2:06 AM, oldmanfan said: My point is simple and stated above. You come in here as if you're some sort of QB expert and you're not as shown by your Winston love. You also like to cherry pick throws. You've harped on Allen's first throw of the game as if that proves he can never succeed and ignore a number of other good throws he made today. The kid has things to learn but objective views suggest he is coming along. To make my point even clearer: you aren't knowledgeable about QBs. Does that explain it clearly enough? Expand I wasn't knowledgeable about one QB, who would still be better than any QB we've had in 15 years. On 10/15/2018 at 2:08 AM, oldmanfan said: Go back and watch the game. Watch his throws. Seriously. I knew the outcome before I watched and read some of the crap posted before I did. So I watched specifically to see how Allen did. The kid made one truly bad throw today, his first pass of the game. Expand He also threw a deep ball to Benjamin that landed 3-4 yards out of bounds. The rest of his throws were pretty much all within a few yards of the line of scrimmage.
oldmanfan Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 On 10/15/2018 at 2:09 AM, jrober38 said: I wasn't knowledgeable about one QB, who would still be better than any QB we've had in 15 years. Expand And you are no more knowledgeable about playing QB in thie NFL than anyone else around here. Quit pretending that you are.
Matt_In_NH Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 They showed Allen sitting alone a couple times and even after the TD, he looked down. I was wondering if he was ok to play but the coaches said no we are going with Peterdude.
Kelly the Dog Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 On 10/15/2018 at 2:09 AM, jrober38 said: I wasn't knowledgeable about one QB, who would still be better than any QB we've had in 15 years. He also threw a deep ball to Benjamin that landed 3-4 yards out of bounds. The rest of his throws were pretty much all within a few yards of the line of scrimmage. Expand That's a blatant lie. 1
oldmanfan Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 On 10/15/2018 at 2:09 AM, jrober38 said: I wasn't knowledgeable about one QB, who would still be better than any QB we've had in 15 years. He also threw a deep ball to Benjamin that landed 3-4 yards out of bounds. The rest of his throws were pretty much all within a few yards of the line of scrimmage. Expand To a guy that was double covered. Perhaps he wanted to be sure it wasn't picked? Watching Brady right now. See a lot if short patterns. Do you know what Daboll called? We're longer patterns run? Were guys open on those? Should I go on?
jrober38 Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 On 10/15/2018 at 2:12 AM, Kelly the Dog said: That's a blatant lie. Expand He completed 11 passes for 84 yards. 2 of those completions contributed 61 yards to that total. How do you average 2.5 yards per completion on the remaining 9 throws and not throw the ball at or behind the LOS?
Success Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 On 10/15/2018 at 2:14 AM, jrober38 said: He completed 11 passes for 84 yards. 2 of those completions contributed 61 yards to that total. How do you average 2.5 yards per completion on the remaining 9 throws and not throw the ball at or behind the LOS? Expand You’re moving the goalposts from what he was saying is a lie.
Matt_In_NH Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 On 10/15/2018 at 2:12 AM, Kelly the Dog said: That's a blatant lie. Expand For the completions I think that is true. He had 10 completions fro 84 yards, one went for 39, one for 22. That means 8 went for a total of 23 yards. And the 22 yarder was not down the field.....some of the incompletions were further down the field and had no chance
DrDawkinstein Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 How can he show progress when he has no one developing him? Daboll's offense cant even line up correctly within the rules we learn in pop warner. Culley is too busy carrying McDs mic in the hopes of parlaying his 20 year unsuccessful WR/QB coaching career into an OC/HC spot somewhere. We had to bring in a lower-mid level veteran QB to "mentor" him because we made it 5 weeks into the season before someone in the FO figured out someone should be coaching the kid. Yet another prospect the Bills franchise will ruin.
jrober38 Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 (edited) On 10/15/2018 at 2:16 AM, Success said: You’re moving the goalposts from what he was saying is a lie. Expand How? Allen threw the 39 yarder to Benjamin, the 22 yarder to McCoy, he attempted a deep in to Jones, and he threw the deep ball out of bounds to Benjamin. Unless I'm forgetting something, I'm pretty sure everything else was within about 5 yards of the LOS. Edited October 15, 2018 by jrober38
targetweight185 Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 On 10/15/2018 at 2:12 AM, mattynh said: They showed Allen sitting alone a couple times and even after the TD, he looked down. I was wondering if he was ok to play but the coaches said no we are going with Peterdude. Expand Nope. Allen was injured. They showed him on the sideline, high fiving his teammates, trying to keep everyone pumped.
Teddy KGB Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 On 10/15/2018 at 2:18 AM, jrober38 said: How? Allen threw the 39 yarder to Benjamin, the 22nd yarded to McCoy, he attempted a deep in to Jones, and he threw the deep ball out of bounds to Benjamin. Unless I'm forgetting something, I'm pretty sure everything else was within about 5 yards of the LOS. Expand Makin a lot of noise. Making a lot of noise You gonna eat yo cornbread
Rocbillsfan1 Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 On 10/14/2018 at 9:48 PM, Fred Clause said: Yet he is better than anything in our roster, so your point is foolish, nice try though... Expand The point isn’t about comparing him to our wrs but to act like Arizona is stacked with amazing wrs is pretty laughable.
Kelly the Dog Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 On 10/15/2018 at 2:17 AM, mattynh said: For the completions I think that is true. He had 10 completions fro 84 yards, one went for 39, one for 22. That means 8 went for a total of 23 yards. And the 22 yarder was not down the field.....some of the incompletions were further down the field and had no chance Expand He said passes I thought. He threw three deep to Benjamin, one thrown away on purpose, one great pass caught, one great pass caught and called back. He threw a ball on third and long to Zay that was dropped. One of the dart completions to Clay was longer than five yards.
ShakAttack Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 I was disgusted when we drafted Allen over Rosen and I’m not sure if he will ever be able to grow enough to be a solid nfl qb, but I will say this... there has definitely been some signs of growth since the Green Bay game. It has been coming little by little but it has been progress nonetheless. We have been up against a lot of relatively strong defenses too. This is why I really hope he is good to go against the Colts because everyone scores on the Colts so I expect to see his own performance improve when his competition is not as strong. If he were to take a step back against a Colts defense, that’s when I would be feeling sick to my stomach 1
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