row_33 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 10 minutes ago, Koko78 said: I'd love to see that asswipe Cuomo crap his pants if Trump somehow "won" the popular vote, and all of NY's votes went to him - especially if it caused his re-election. i have 0% belief the GOP will win NY in the next 100 years Cali is a possibly if they have another national figure from or associated, like RMN or RWR.... that would be joy enough 10 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: A counterpart in Toronto always told me Quebec lacks the tax base that would support their desires or it would have happened already. But if enough people up there start to believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy then all bets are off. My current question is if anyone born after 1980 in Quebec, or immigrants landing cares at all about preserving Quebec language rights, a big topic up until a decade ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 7 minutes ago, row_33 said: i have 0% belief the GOP will win NY in the next 100 years Oh, that doesn't matter. The electoral votes, under this compact, go to whomever wins the national popular vote. Cuomo would ***** a brick and try to pull out faster than @Boyst62 on date night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 6 minutes ago, row_33 said: i have 0% belief the GOP will win NY in the next 100 years Cali is a possibly if they have another national figure from or associated, like RMN or RWR.... that would be joy enough My current question is if anyone born after 1980 in Quebec, or immigrants landing cares at all about preserving Quebec language rights, a big topic up until a decade ago. Based on my contact with my younger "superiors" out of Quebec then cultural identity is still of great importance with people under age 40. The one guy just under the Vice President for North American operations would be maybe age 40 in 2019. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 If we want to reduce the cost of a college education reduce the availability of student loans. Student loans are passed out like candy on Halloween, allowing universities to continue to raise tuition and bloat their administrative staffs. There are many professions that don't require a college degree but possibly an apprenticeship or trade school is the best for some people. They pay a lot better than social services jobs that require a degree and cost a lot in tuition. You don't pay back a 100k loan on a $20,000 annual salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 2 hours ago, row_33 said: i have 0% belief the GOP will win NY in the next 100 years in 100 years current New York voters will be dead and still voting Democrat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 51 minutes ago, /dev/null said: in 100 years current New York voters will be dead and still voting Democrat It's what I call a deep base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 8 hours ago, row_33 said: I would see packing it in totally on 2020 as a wise move for anyone with ambitions for a clear run in 2024. If you want to run now is the time. AOC is getting older by the minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 4 hours ago, Crayola64 said: No such thing as working for stuff, so I want to be on the list to get! Surely there is no middle ground where we (a) make college more affordable for those who need it and (b) stop punishing students in some/many respects with loans. I like it in theory but not in practice. I think we need less college, not more. Too many people graduate with massive debt and no marketable job skills. Making it free just exacerbates the problem. We as a society will still pour tremendous resources into an investment with an increasingly poor ROI. The cost is just hidden. We'd be better off if all education was streamlined and geared more towards learning practical and profitable skills. There are career paths for which certain college programs make a lot of sense, but for most it's really unnecessary. It would make more sense for the standard form of higher education to be a part-time program that you do while you're working in your chosen career path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 8 hours ago, row_33 said: set up a system of National Service where every student has to work for 2 years, in various areas of dire need of support, with schooling the reward for this service. We.kind of have something like this already. It's called the military. A young person can enlist in a non combat specialty like food service or refrigerator technician or aviation maintenance. Stay in 3 years, learn a skill, and then go to college on the GI bill. Pays tuition and housing. Worked for me. In Texas you get free college tuition for life of you are a veteran. My brother got a Masters degree that way. I don't feel sorry for those people that game out student loans. There are other options out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 1 hour ago, reddogblitz said: We.kind of have something like this already. It's called the military. A young person can enlist in a non combat specialty like food service or refrigerator technician or aviation maintenance. Stay in 3 years, learn a skill, and then go to college on the GI bill. Pays tuition and housing. Worked for me. In Texas you get free college tuition for life of you are a veteran. My brother got a Masters degree that way. I don't feel sorry for those people that game out student loans. There are other options out there. Could you imagine some of these skinny jeans fruitcake types surviving in a combat arms battalion? I can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 2 hours ago, reddogblitz said: We.kind of have something like this already. It's called the military. A young person can enlist in a non combat specialty like food service or refrigerator technician or aviation maintenance. Stay in 3 years, learn a skill, and then go to college on the GI bill. Pays tuition and housing. Worked for me. In Texas you get free college tuition for life of you are a veteran. My brother got a Masters degree that way. I don't feel sorry for those people that game out student loans. There are other options out there. Yes, the military is one established form of this service. Several areas of social services could also be made available for an individual to give two years to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said: Could you imagine some of these skinny jeans fruitcake types surviving in a combat arms battalion? I can't. I'd put them at the front of the landing craft or first off the chopper to draw fire away from the rest of the unit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 3 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said: Could you imagine some of these skinny jeans fruitcake types surviving in a combat arms battalion? I can't. Hell, imagine basic training, "But Drill Sargent, that's not fair"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 47 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Hell, imagine basic training, "But Drill Sargent, that's not fair"! The hippies were of sterner stuff than this generation and they became fighting men when called Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 9 hours ago, Rob's House said: I like it in theory but not in practice. I think we need less college, not more. Too many people graduate with massive debt and no marketable job skills. Making it free just exacerbates the problem. We as a society will still pour tremendous resources into an investment with an increasingly poor ROI. The cost is just hidden. We'd be better off if all education was streamlined and geared more towards learning practical and profitable skills. There are career paths for which certain college programs make a lot of sense, but for most it's really unnecessary. It would make more sense for the standard form of higher education to be a part-time program that you do while you're working in your chosen career path. We need to tell our kids that proper selection of a curriculum is key to a successful career path. Quite a number of people will minor or double major something useless but still have a very useful major to use for a career. I've got no problem with a college offering poetry as a major but the parents and the college need to clue the kid in that he pretty much does that for personal satisfaction versus being a path to a paying career. 2 hours ago, 3rdnlng said: Hell, imagine basic training, "But Drill Sargent, that's not fair"! PPPYYYLLLEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 12 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: We need to tell our kids that proper selection of a curriculum is key to a successful career path. Quite a number of people will minor or double major something useless but still have a very useful major to use for a career. I've got no problem with a college offering poetry as a major but the parents and the college need to clue the kid in that he pretty much does that for personal satisfaction versus being a path to a paying career. goldfish feeding and fingerpainting degrees are meant only for the children of the rich that's just a fact of life that will destroy anyone who tries to go against the grain of this truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 41 minutes ago, row_33 said: goldfish feeding and fingerpainting degrees are meant only for the children of the rich that's just a fact of life that will destroy anyone who tries to go against the grain of this truth Those kind of curriculums only exist at colleges where the main aim is to marry well. A number of those colleges are around the Rochester area. The old joke used to be that a large number of women were there to get their MRS degree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 16 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Those kind of curriculums only exist at colleges where the main aim is to marry well. A number of those colleges are around the Rochester area. The old joke used to be that a large number of women were there to get their MRS degree. anything outside of STEM is that curriculum, unless one is honestly driven to hit the books and use it for graduate school. that's not a very high percentage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 There’s also a lot of useless degrees that can be a foundation for a useful graduate degree, like a Juris Doctor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 (edited) 40 minutes ago, row_33 said: anything outside of STEM is that curriculum, unless one is honestly driven to hit the books and use it for graduate school. that's not a very high percentage 1 I have STEM degrees and used to think like that. But I'd hate to be without artists, cooks, tradespeople, farmers, accountants, lawyers, politicians. It takes a lot of people to make a society work. Edited January 30, 2019 by BeginnersMind 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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