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10 hours ago, Koko78 said:

 

He'd be best off going in as the VP candidate in 2020, to increase his national exposure, while the Democrats exploit and expand his contacts/ability to raise massive amounts of cash. He needs to stay away from getting into the mud with the current crop of insane bottom-feeders lining up for the Democrat nod. The extreme leftist bullschiff they're aiming for isn't going to last long.

 

Being a VP candidate keeps him insulated from having to make a record of policy preferences (which can be used against him later), and a loss to Trump doesn't hurt him (as it was the nominee who lost to Trump, not Beto.) That puts him in a prime position to run in 2024, without an incumbent (and severe GOP White House fatigue), if they lose, and puts him in line in 2028 if the Democrats actually manage to win.

Losing VP's have a bad track record in both future primaries and general elections.  Walter Mondale (lost 2nd term) and Bob Dole off the top of my head were presidents who lost the general elections.  Meanwhile, rising stars such as Palin, Ryan, Edwards (lol), and Quayle (2nd term) were pernamently damaged after losing as the VP candidate.  Older losing VP candidates like Lieberman and Ferraro never gained traction in their presidential runs.  The last losing Vice President to later become president was FDR.

 

It's not impossible but losing against Trump even as the VP likely takes a major hit to your political reputation.  Also, if I was somebody like Harris/Warren/Gillibrand/Booker (god help us) it would be smarter to pick a VP like Sherrod Brown, Jon Tester, or Tim Ryan.  Somebody that appeals more to the white working class.  

 

I think Beto should run now as he could always run again in the future.  I wouldn't take the VP slot though.

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2 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Losing VP's have a bad track record in both future primaries and general elections.  Walter Mondale (lost 2nd term) and Bob Dole off the top of my head were presidents who lost the general elections.  Meanwhile, rising stars such as Palin, Ryan, Edwards (lol), and Quayle (2nd term) were pernamently damaged after losing as the VP candidate.  Older losing VP candidates like Lieberman and Ferraro never gained traction in their presidential runs.  The last losing Vice President to later become president was FDR.

 

It's not impossible but losing against Trump even as the VP likely takes a major hit to your political reputation.  Also, if I was somebody like Harris/Warren/Gillibrand/Booker (god help us) it would be smarter to pick a VP like Sherrod Brown, Jon Tester, or Tim Ryan.  Somebody that appeals more to the white working class.  

 

I think Beto should run now as he could always run again in the future.  I wouldn't take the VP slot though.

 

Mondale and Dole didn’t have a hope at all, readily known by everybody from the start of their campaigns. Somebody had to run against a “second term by acclamation.”

 

Leibermam never wanted to be President and Ferraro was with Mondale.

 

 

 

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32 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

Mondale and Dole didn’t have a hope at all, readily known by everybody from the start of their campaigns. Somebody had to run against a “second term by acclamation.”

 

Leibermam never wanted to be President and Ferraro was with Mondale.

 

 

 

 

Lol Mondale. Perhaps the greatest sacrificial offering in the history of American politics.

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5 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Lol Mondale. Perhaps the greatest sacrificial offering in the history of American politics.

 

He was the saddest of the last 50 years. He didn’t have a snowballs chance in a blast furnace in the first place, along with being a useless  public personality and speaker.

 

and then they went after his running mate for her husband’s alleged ties to organized crime.

 

Carter, Mondale, Dukakis the worst string of three in US history, amazing the Party recovered from that....

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4 hours ago, row_33 said:

 

He was the saddest of the last 50 years. He didn’t have a snowballs chance in a blast furnace in the first place, along with being a useless  public personality and speaker.

 

and then they went after his running mate for her husband’s alleged ties to organized crime.

 

Carter, Mondale, Dukakis the worst string of three in US history, amazing the Party recovered from that....

 

Recovery efforts aren't difficult because the party in power always screws up.

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1 hour ago, keepthefaith said:

 

Recovery efforts aren't difficult because the party in power always screws up.

 

Americans like to give 2 terms to one side and then 2 to the other, with some exceptions above/below 2

 

All for "the sake of change" after 8 years, which isn't a bad thing to have, keeps it steady.

 

At least your system forces the party leader out in the open.

 

In the UK and Canada they just nominate any goof when the party has two seats, and then suddenly they are Prime Minister without any scrutiny when their party (of only 2) wins again. 

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1 hour ago, B-Man said:

Maybe Kamala Harris would just be better served telling us which rights and private property she thinks we should be allowed to keep instead.

 

 

 

 

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Yes, that's a short list in her world.

 

I'm looking forward to the first person that I know that tells me they are going to support her.  I'll do some math in advance.  Should be fun.

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23 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

I don't like the twitter source here... but the clip is gold. 

 

 

 

She's cute, but stupid.

 

If you're going to make such scurrilous accusations, you damn well better be able to back it up when challenged.

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5 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

 

She's cute, but stupid.

 

If you're going to make such scurrilous accusations, you damn well better be able to back it up when challenged.

 

She didn't even know the definition of a work she was using to describe someone. 

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2 minutes ago, KRC said:

 

She didn't even know the definition of a work she was using to describe someone. 

 

Yeah, but that doesn't bother me. How many words, that we use regularly, can we actually define if asked?

 

She did use the word correctly for her BS.

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9 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

Yeah, but that doesn't bother me. How many words, that we use regularly, can we actually define if asked?

 

practically all of them

 

 

 

if you obtained some form of decent education

 

 

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