A few thoughts about the Packers game, in no particular order

[Comebackkid]

1 hour ago, VW82 said:

I think today was about two bad teams with polar opposites at QB. If the QBs were switched I bet the score would have been 22-0 going the other direction. Keep in mind Rodgers was basically playing on one leg. Sometimes it really is that simple. 

playing on one leg?......he out ran guys on our D twice...   other than the grass in his knee brace it was of no hindrance at all to him.

[Not at the table Karlos]

2 hours ago, billsfan11 said:

I don’t know. Seemed like he had all day from the opening possession and just sat comfortably in the pocket 

He was getting rid of the ball in under two seconds. That's not all day and not nearly enough time for rushers to get home. 

[Foreigner]

4. I don't have a clue what this # is about.

 

Our OC is a problem. On the first series 3rd and 1, the most predictable play possible was called.

A run play right into the middle of the Packers D. Late in the 3rd Q, down 19-0 on two consecutive

series, run plays were called. With this O Line you could have guessed the result beforehand.

 

Call me whatever you want, but Beane and McD stripped the roster of so much talent for draft 

choices. Even with the best GMs that is a roll of the dice. 

[Gunsgoodtime]

16 minutes ago, Foreigner said:

4. I don't have a clue what this # is about.

 

Our OC is a problem. On the first series 3rd and 1, the most predictable play possible was called.

A run play right into the middle of the Packers D. Late in the 3rd Q, down 19-0 on two consecutive

series, run plays were called. With this O Line you could have guessed the result beforehand.

 

Call me whatever you want, but Beane and McD stripped the roster of so much talent for draft 

choices. Even with the best GMs that is a roll of the dice. 

This will always be my argument unless they can prove me wrong.  You dont strip a team of almost all of it's best players because they were drafted before you got here. Was a huge mistake imo, look at our wr situation, qb, online.  

[Fadingpain]

23 minutes ago, Foreigner said:

4. I don't have a clue what this # is about.

 

Our OC is a problem. On the first series 3rd and 1, the most predictable play possible was called.

A run play right into the middle of the Packers D. Late in the 3rd Q, down 19-0 on two consecutive

series, run plays were called. With this O Line you could have guessed the result beforehand.

 

Call me whatever you want, but Beane and McD stripped the roster of so much talent for draft 

choices. Even with the best GMs that is a roll of the dice. 

#4 is a quote from the movie "Scent of a Woman" starring Al Pacino.

 

 

[Bills Pimpin']

3 hours ago, Fadingpain said:

You are in the minority of fans willing to state the obvious--that Josh Allen is in over his head.  

 

It is ridiculous, as some have done, to suggest his performance can't be evaluated because the team is bad around him.  The team is bad around him, but pass protection is not bad on every play, not all receivers are covered on every play, etc.

 

There's plenty to evaluate.  What is concerning is that the things he is struggling with now are things he has always struggled with and define his game.  His horrid pocket presence is one of those.  His inability to read a defense pre-snap is another.  His accuracy problem is a third.  

 

 

You, like most like most internet forum trolls, are not smart enough to evaluate NFL QB play. 

[Fadingpain]

15 minutes ago, Bills Pimpin' said:

You, like most like most internet forum trolls, are not smart enough to evaluate NFL QB play. 

LOL.  

 

I'll let you get back to sniffing your autographed Josh Allen jock strap.  

 

 

 

 

 

[Bills Pimpin']

3 minutes ago, Fadingpain said:

LOL.  

 

I'll let you get back to sniffing your autographed Josh Allen jock strap.  

 

 

 

 

 

Interesting comment by an uneducated troll considering I didn't comment on the play of the QB and you have no idea what I think of the rookie. You can't evaluate an NFL QB or his mental make up. You can't tell if he's over his head. You are not smart enough. 

[GunnerBill]

4 hours ago, billspro said:

I am just frustrated that I didn’t see any flashes of good QB play from Allen today.

 

This. And that our other 1st round pick still hasn't worked out which gap he is supposed to fill in the run game. Yes he runs to ball.... but sometimes if he just ran to his gap that tackle he maked 8 yards downfield would not be required. 

 

As for offensive talent not being the problem... it is the problem. We have 5 receivers. KB is washed up, Zay looks JAG, Holmes is really on the squad to play teams and Ray Ray and Foster were backups in college. 

 

Today was rough and sure Daboll wasn't great. But my word I sympathise with him. Giving him this group and asking him to engineer points is like giving you porridge oats and asking you to make a roast dinner. 

4 hours ago, billspro said:

 

If we get the number 1 pick we should take a QB, but we won’t which means there is a good chance we pass on a franchise guy.

 

The one thing I am not worried about isnus passing on a franchise QB at #1 in 2019. I haven't seen a first round prospect out there so far this college season. 

4 hours ago, Fadingpain said:

His inability to read a defense pre-snap is another.  

 

Or post snap. I don't see him getting through progressions while holding the ball too long.... I just see him staring down the field hoping someone gets open. I am not freaking out yet because I think at some point the game should slow down for him... but some of the college struggles are there for Josh in the NFL thus far. 

Edited October 1, 2018 by GunnerBill

[billsredneck1]

7 hours ago, bills11 said:

I honestly don't even understand what his philosophy is..like what are his plays that he relies on...where was the quick plays from the minny game last week there just seems like a lack of cohesion in his play calling u dont see from otehr coordinators

my thoughts

i think the problem is shady. when shady is available, they seem to feel obligated to make him the focal point of the offense. now we all know he is a stutter step/wait for the hole and when it's not there, the play is usually over.  i was hoping they'd use a 2 back set and keep josh in the shotgun.

 

it was stupid putting him under center when he was rattled.

( kinds stupid putting him under center ever.)

his instincts are to backpedal...1 sec....2..sec...big trouble, panic, turn, spin, sack.  eerily e.j.

 

i know i'll get flamed for this but, imo the most important objective is to win games, no matter how it happens. they should have at least given nate a series and given josh a chance to collect himself. i know qb by committee is taboo and creates a media brewha, but again do whatever it takes.

 

on defense the thing that pissed me off the most was not pressing the wrs at the line. when you're facing someone who gets the ball out quick, you have to bump those guys off their timing. it was so maddening to see the corners backpedal when the ball was snapped. ummm derrrrr. wtf?

 

they also went back to the traditional dline until late and had no answer to creating pressure from the line. no stunts...not near enough substitution etc.

 

lastly, two blitzes, 2 sacks.  i'm so sick of having a wanndstandt defense. if you're not getting anywhere with 4,  f...ing blitz!  not sending tremaine up the middle more is flat out stupid. there was also a nonstop gap inside of jerry while he was getting undressed on the outside. why wasn't milano shooting that gap? prevent defense to me means...ain't gotta plan....or a set of nuts.

 

it was apparent that mcdermott took his hands back off the defense.  for him supposedly being a defensive mind with a side of dbs,  not pressing those receivers was insane. this coaching staff got exactly what they deserved yesterday.

 

i'm afraid they're gonna ruin allen.

 

Edited October 1, 2018 by billsredneck1

[Virgil]

8 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

The OP contradicted himself on #7 with #8 because if you can't get 3 yards on two rushing attempts using a 7 man line on offense then there is clearly talent lacking. This team lacks quality talent in certain areas like most of the offensive line and WR corps. Both look to be some of the very worst in the league as most starters wouldn't even be backups on good teams. 

 

I do agree with you on Daboll as he stinks! Once the team gets behind in points the run game plan goes out the window and this OC calls plays like he has an experienced veteran QB back there…with time to throw to receivers who can get open and not drop balls. 

 

The run game and the TE are a rookie QBs best friend along with a short passing game to move the chains and let the QB gain some rhythm, confidence.  Each and every week the Bills should be pounding that rock all game long regardless of the score and they aren't. 

 

The best player on offense is Shady McCoy and he should be getting between 20-25 touches a game and this game he had 8 touches. Shady even stated that the game plan this week was to get him more touches and it didn't happen

 

I think you can have talent overall, but not the talent to run certain schemes.  

[JohnC]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

This. And that our other 1st round pick still hasn't worked out which gap he is supposed to fill in the run game. Yes he runs to ball.... but sometimes if he just ran to his gap that tackle he maked 8 yards downfield would not be required. 

 

As for offensive talent not being the problem... it is the problem. We have 5 receivers. KB is washed up, Zay looks JAG, Holmes is really on the squad to play teams and Ray Ray and Foster were backups in college. 

 

Today was rough and sure Daboll wasn't great. But my word I sympathise with him. Giving him this group and asking him to engineer points is like giving you porridge oats and asking you to make a roast dinner. 

 

The one thing I am not worried about isnus passing on a franchise QB at #1 in 2019. I haven't seen a first round prospect out there so far this college season. 

 

Or post snap. I don't see him getting through progressions while holding the ball too long.... I just see him staring down the field hoping someone gets open. I am not freaking out yet because I think at some point the game should slow down for him... but some of the college struggles are there for Josh in the NFL thus far. 

It's not unusual for teams to have units that are sub par. But that isn't the case with the Bills' receiver corps. This unit is non-functioning. This causes a ripple effect especially for a rookie qb who isn't proficient (understandably) isn't in making quick reads. When he looks downfield what he sees are his receivers blanketed. 

 

With a more experienced qb and a functional receiving corps this far from elite OL's passing protection performance would at least rise to the level of being adequate. In addition, our running game is being swallowed up by the defense not only outnumbering our OL but also at the minimum stalemating them. There are few lanes to run through. 

 

People are starting to freak out and search for someone to lay the blame on our offense's ineptitude. Daboll isn't the problem. It's not only a significant lack of talent on offense but it is exacerbated with a rookie taking the snaps. My worry isn't that Allen is playing poorly but that he will be brutalized.  In this type of overwhelming circumstances I'm not sure that the learning process is advanced.  

 

As I stated in prior posts most outside football analysts predicted that the Bills would be at or near the bottom of the rankings. When you make a decision to do a hardcore rebuild what you have witnessed shouldn't be surprising. When you let experienced talent go and replace it with younger talent you don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to figure out what is going to happen. It's tough to take but that is where we are at. When you ride the bronco and you get knocked off you get back on and try it again. Eventually you will tame the beast. That is not to say that you won't get bruised and battered in the process. 

[BillsFan130]

9 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

He was getting rid of the ball in under two seconds. That's not all day and not nearly enough time for rushers to get home. 

Can’t say I agree.

 

There were for sure multiple plays where A rod was throwing it way too quick for the d line to have a chance. I’m not blaming that on the D line.

 

But there were way too many plays where he would just sit back in that pocket with all day.

 

Do not believe me?

 

Just look at their first 3rd down of the day. Rodgers has like 3-4 seconds, sees no one he likes that’s open, then proceeds to escape the pocket easily and run for the first down

[Virgil]

29 minutes ago, billsfan11 said:

Can’t say I agree.

 

There were for sure multiple plays where A rod was throwing it way too quick for the d line to have a chance. I’m not blaming that on the D line.

 

But there were way too many plays where he would just sit back in that pocket with all day.

 

Do not believe me?

 

Just look at their first 3rd down of the day. Rodgers has like 3-4 seconds, sees no one he likes that’s open, then proceeds to escape the pocket easily and run for the first down

 

We ran a wide front that play and Rodgers on escapes because Hughes was held like crazy. Right in front of the white hat no less

Edited October 1, 2018 by Virgil

[BillsFan130]

2 minutes ago, Virgil said:

 

We ran a wide front that day and Rodgers on escapes because Hughes was held like crazy. Right in front of the white hat no less

Ok well the officials/Lack of no holds are a different story all together.

 

I was just saying they didn’t get much pass rush at all

[thebandit27]

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

This. And that our other 1st round pick still hasn't worked out which gap he is supposed to fill in the run game. Yes he runs to ball.... but sometimes if he just ran to his gap that tackle he maked 8 yards downfield would not be required. 

 

As for offensive talent not being the problem... it is the problem. We have 5 receivers. KB is washed up, Zay looks JAG, Holmes is really on the squad to play teams and Ray Ray and Foster were backups in college. 

 

Today was rough and sure Daboll wasn't great. But my word I sympathise with him. Giving him this group and asking him to engineer points is like giving you porridge oats and asking you to make a roast dinner. 

 

The one thing I am not worried about isnus passing on a franchise QB at #1 in 2019. I haven't seen a first round prospect out there so far this college season. 

 

Or post snap. I don't see him getting through progressions while holding the ball too long.... I just see him staring down the field hoping someone gets open. I am not freaking out yet because I think at some point the game should slow down for him... but some of the college struggles are there for Josh in the NFL thus far. 

 

Of course they're still there; did we expect different?

 

(that's rhetorical; I know you know what you're watching Gunner)

 

I think some folks managed to fool themselves based on last week--it shouldn't shock anyone that the kid who was playing for Wyoming 9 months ago hasn't mastered the nuances of the most difficult position in professional sports quite yet.

 

He definitely had a bad day--no doubt about it. To me, it was the Iowa game all over again: he didn't play well, his supporting cast not only didn't help but somehow managed to make it worse, and yet he didn't look utterly overwhelmed.

 

I am far more interested is seeing how he handles himself coming out of a performance like this than judging what the de facto performance portends for his ability to play in the league.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

I have never seen someone get held more than Hughes did on Sunday and that fumble call on Allen even after the replay was horrific. The defense still gave us a chance to win this game and I feel like they will be very good by mid season. We need to pick up a speedy WR off a teams PS and just cut KB, what a waste of a roster spot. If the WR's behind KB can't take his roster spot then they should be gone too at the end of the year. Allen wants to show off his deep ball but there is nobody on this team to pass it to. The O-Line is just a joke, everyone should be cut except Dawkins and a few of the younger players. Castillo needs to be fired at the end of the year, no excuse for a O-Line that looks this bad.

[Not at the table Karlos]

26 minutes ago, billsfan11 said:

Can’t say I agree.

 

There were for sure multiple plays where A rod was throwing it way too quick for the d line to have a chance. I’m not blaming that on the D line.

 

But there were way too many plays where he would just sit back in that pocket with all day.

 

Do not believe me?

 

Just look at their first 3rd down of the day. Rodgers has like 3-4 seconds, sees no one he likes that’s open, then proceeds to escape the pocket easily and run for the first down

If you don't agree go back and watch the replays they showed of him getting the ball out in 2 seconds. The announcers kept commenting on how fast the ball was getting out and many posters here wish we ran an offence that got the ball out as quick. 

 

It's also hard to rush the passer when you're held on almost every play with no call.

Edited October 1, 2018 by Not at the table Karlos

[Like A Mofo]

12 hours ago, Virgil said:

7 - Offensive Talent - I'm getting sick of people saying how we don't have talent on our offense as a justification for why we suck.  These are NFL players getting paid millions of dollars who are the best of a NCAA program that fields thousands of players.  These are elite athletes and I refuse to believe that they just forget how to play or we are always going up against elite defenses.  Case and point, go look at the box score for the 49ers today.  Besides Pierre Garcon, tell me how many names you recognize on offense and look at what they did against the Chargers.  Talent may not be amazing here, but it's better than that.  We have much bigger problems. 

 

 

Tremendous point right here.

 

 

[BillsFan130]

3 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

If you don't agree go back and watch the replays they showed of him getting the ball out in 2 seconds. The announcers kept commenting on how fast the ball was getting out and many posters here wish we ran an offence that got the ball out as quick. 

I 100 percent know what you’re referring to. It was quite evident on 1 drive in particular as well where it was literally “hut” and then throw right away. I’m not disputing that at all.

 

But what did Rodgers have, about 45 drop backs roughly in total?

 

He was not getting rid of the ball in under 2 seconds on even half his throws.