Batman1876 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 When McBeane took over in 2017 they saw a team that was in a tough spot. Little cap room in 2017 and even less in 2018. The previous few drafts had provided precious little talent to build around. There were big money players under preforming their contracts. Our championship window was closing on a team that was mediocre at best. Big money contracts would necessitate we ditch some talent to make room to fill a roster and we'd chug along with the mediocre play that had defined most of the drought. But they decided to take it another route. McBeane's gambit was to get rid of all that talent that would not be a part of the team's future as soon as possible, trading them for draft assets. The Number of trades made over the course of that first year was truly staggering. They turned talent that they did not see as the future of the team into two 2nd round picks, two 3rd round picks, a 5th round pick and two 7th round picks. This would not come without a cost, in the form of huge dead cap money and a roster with holes. The benefits could be huge too, lots of draft capital with which to get young talent and a very favorable roster situation in 2019. The Bills have 91 million available next year and only 4 players cost more to cut than they do to keep 3 of those being out 2017, 2018 first round picks. The writing was on the wall that they knew this season would be rough. They Chose dead cap and draft picks over keeping under preforming guys, who were nevertheless talented. They picked two developmental guys in the 1st round. They left free agency with an assortment of depth guys, over the hill veteran leadership guys, cheep risky guys who may be good and maybe a role player or two. they traded away 2018's roster so they'd have more tools to build 2019's roster. The last 12 months set the stage for McBeane's gambit and the next 12 months will ultimately determine if it will pay off. 23 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Excellent post and thought that is often sadly lacking today on TBD; thanks Batman! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Risky business in the Not For Long league. Stumble again next year and you're calling the moving vans... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donbb Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Are we going to trust the regime that has signed FA duds such as Bodine, Star, Murphy, Davis, Gaines, Newhouse, and Kerley to spend all that FA money? That's a scary thought to me. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Just now, donbb said: Are we going to trust the regime that has signed FA duds such as Bodine, Star, Murphy, Davis, Gaines, Newhouse, and Kerley to spend all that FA money? That's a scary thought to me. Dunno about you but Murph seems like a good pick up.....I say a wee bit early to make a decision on most of the others....more than one blowout game is needed before I scream bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Batman1876 said: When McBeane took over in 2017 they saw a team that was in a tough spot. Little cap room in 2017 and even less in 2018. The previous few drafts had provided precious little talent to build around. There were big money players under preforming their contracts. Our championship window was closing on a team that was mediocre at best. Big money contracts would necessitate we ditch some talent to make room to fill a roster and we'd chug along with the mediocre play that had defined most of the drought. But they decided to take it another route. McBeane's gambit was to get rid of all that talent that would not be a part of the team's future as soon as possible, trading them for draft assets. The Number of trades made over the course of that first year was truly staggering. They turned talent that they did not see as the future of the team into two 2nd round picks, two 3rd round picks, a 5th round pick and two 7th round picks. This would not come without a cost, in the form of huge dead cap money and a roster with holes. The benefits could be huge too, lots of draft capital with which to get young talent and a very favorable roster situation in 2019. The Bills have 91 million available next year and only 4 players cost more to cut than they do to keep 3 of those being out 2017, 2018 first round picks. The writing was on the wall that they knew this season would be rough. They Chose dead cap and draft picks over keeping under preforming guys, who were nevertheless talented. They picked two developmental guys in the 1st round. They left free agency with an assortment of depth guys, over the hill veteran leadership guys, cheep risky guys who may be good and maybe a role player or two. they traded away 2018's roster so they'd have more tools to build 2019's roster. The last 12 months set the stage for McBeane's gambit and the next 12 months will ultimately determine if it will pay off. Could be that they are taking the long view. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 56 minutes ago, Batman1876 said: When McBeane took over in 2017 they saw a team that was in a tough spot. Little cap room in 2017 and even less in 2018. The previous few drafts had provided precious little talent to build around. There were big money players under preforming their contracts. Our championship window was closing on a team that was mediocre at best. Big money contracts would necessitate we ditch some talent to make room to fill a roster and we'd chug along with the mediocre play that had defined most of the drought. But they decided to take it another route. McBeane's gambit was to get rid of all that talent that would not be a part of the team's future as soon as possible, trading them for draft assets. The Number of trades made over the course of that first year was truly staggering. They turned talent that they did not see as the future of the team into two 2nd round picks, two 3rd round picks, a 5th round pick and two 7th round picks. This would not come without a cost, in the form of huge dead cap money and a roster with holes. The benefits could be huge too, lots of draft capital with which to get young talent and a very favorable roster situation in 2019. The Bills have 91 million available next year and only 4 players cost more to cut than they do to keep 3 of those being out 2017, 2018 first round picks. The writing was on the wall that they knew this season would be rough. They Chose dead cap and draft picks over keeping under preforming guys, who were nevertheless talented. They picked two developmental guys in the 1st round. They left free agency with an assortment of depth guys, over the hill veteran leadership guys, cheep risky guys who may be good and maybe a role player or two. they traded away 2018's roster so they'd have more tools to build 2019's roster. The last 12 months set the stage for McBeane's gambit and the next 12 months will ultimately determine if it will pay off. Sir, you are spot on with your assessment. This is one of the best and most sensible posts that I’ve read in a long time. No romantiscm or overreacting. Smart and well-thought our. Kudos. I have to agree with what you said, and as I’ve stated before I think that privately Beane and McDermott were hedging their bets. If you read some of the comments they made publicly, it’s very telling. I remember McDermott saying things at the Senior Bowl like “every year is different” and citing his experience going 6-10 after the Panthers made the Super Bowl. Even in the press conference today he said he was in “year two” and that the roster was not a finished product 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Could be that they are taking the long view. Or that they're !@#$ing lazy (warning NSFW): Edited September 10, 2018 by Freddie's Dead 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Batman1876 said: When McBeane took over in 2017 they saw a team that was in a tough spot. Little cap room in 2017 and even less in 2018. The previous few drafts had provided precious little talent to build around. There were big money players under preforming their contracts. Our championship window was closing on a team that was mediocre at best. Big money contracts would necessitate we ditch some talent to make room to fill a roster and we'd chug along with the mediocre play that had defined most of the drought. But they decided to take it another route. McBeane's gambit was to get rid of all that talent that would not be a part of the team's future as soon as possible, trading them for draft assets. The Number of trades made over the course of that first year was truly staggering. They turned talent that they did not see as the future of the team into two 2nd round picks, two 3rd round picks, a 5th round pick and two 7th round picks. This would not come without a cost, in the form of huge dead cap money and a roster with holes. The benefits could be huge too, lots of draft capital with which to get young talent and a very favorable roster situation in 2019. The Bills have 91 million available next year and only 4 players cost more to cut than they do to keep 3 of those being out 2017, 2018 first round picks. The writing was on the wall that they knew this season would be rough. They Chose dead cap and draft picks over keeping under preforming guys, who were nevertheless talented. They picked two developmental guys in the 1st round. They left free agency with an assortment of depth guys, over the hill veteran leadership guys, cheep risky guys who may be good and maybe a role player or two. they traded away 2018's roster so they'd have more tools to build 2019's roster. The last 12 months set the stage for McBeane's gambit and the next 12 months will ultimately determine if it will pay off. thus began the 4th 5-year wheel of suck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Batman1876 said: When McBeane took over in 2017 they saw a team that was in a tough spot. Little cap room in 2017 and even less in 2018. The previous few drafts had provided precious little talent to build around. There were big money players under preforming their contracts. Our championship window was closing on a team that was mediocre at best. Big money contracts would necessitate we ditch some talent to make room to fill a roster and we'd chug along with the mediocre play that had defined most of the drought. But they decided to take it another route. McBeane's gambit was to get rid of all that talent that would not be a part of the team's future as soon as possible, trading them for draft assets. The Number of trades made over the course of that first year was truly staggering. They turned talent that they did not see as the future of the team into two 2nd round picks, two 3rd round picks, a 5th round pick and two 7th round picks. This would not come without a cost, in the form of huge dead cap money and a roster with holes. The benefits could be huge too, lots of draft capital with which to get young talent and a very favorable roster situation in 2019. The Bills have 91 million available next year and only 4 players cost more to cut than they do to keep 3 of those being out 2017, 2018 first round picks. The writing was on the wall that they knew this season would be rough. They Chose dead cap and draft picks over keeping under preforming guys, who were nevertheless talented. They picked two developmental guys in the 1st round. They left free agency with an assortment of depth guys, over the hill veteran leadership guys, cheep risky guys who may be good and maybe a role player or two. they traded away 2018's roster so they'd have more tools to build 2019's roster. The last 12 months set the stage for McBeane's gambit and the next 12 months will ultimately determine if it will pay off. Good summary, other than the fact the Bills never had a championship window (more like a keyhole). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gridrick Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 still they made a decision at quarterback which effects every position on the field. There is no excuse for compromising the quarterback position. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 16 minutes ago, donbb said: Are we going to trust the regime that has signed FA duds such as Bodine, Star, Murphy, Davis, Gaines, Newhouse, and Kerley to spend all that FA money? That's a scary thought to me. The real question is, what is the commitment to that group beyond 2018? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 He's got to start hitting on the picks and fill some holes with his FA acquisitions. We'll know by mid year where were at with FA this year but it sure doesn't look too hot. We see anymore Panthers signed in free agency in 2019 and this board is going to melt down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gridrick Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 this regime is toast. Love the Allen draft pick though. Now get them outta here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, gridrick said: this regime is toast. Love the Allen draft pick though. Now get them outta here. this place is crazy town. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 There are going to be a lot of holes to fill next year... Probably half the starting 22 should be turned over... They are going to have to hit on a lot of draft picks and hope that the Free Agents they bring in are still motivated after their big pay days.... If it is a deliberate strategy its risky... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gridrick Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 they dont know how to win. How do you keep plugging Peterson in at starting quarterback and be in a non competitive game before halftime? They cannot judge talent. Gruden will take Mccarron. Thank you very much. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berg1029 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, KD in CA said: The real question is, what is the commitment to that group beyond 2018? I was actually wondering the same thing. Anyone know contract details for our lackluster free agent additions? How beholden to these guys are we? If they are short deals meant to get us through this season, that would say that they have a plan to -effectively- suck this year. If the contracts are more long term, then it's just a failure to properly evaluate players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, teef said: this place is crazy town. It's just so hard to believe the Bills can't build a consistent winner by throwing out the GM/coach every 18 months! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Just now, berg1029 said: I was actually wondering the same thing. Anyone know contract details for our lackluster free agent additions? How beholden to these guys are we? If they are short deals meant to get us through this season, that would say that they have a plan to -effectively- suck this year. If the contracts are more long term, then it's just a failure to properly evaluate players I think they can move on from Murphy after 2018 with minimal cost... Think they are tied to Star for three years.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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