BuffaloRush Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Just now, Best Player Available said: It just doesn't work that way. Explain why? 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: If Allen is complete garbage Beane 100% loses his job. No chance the Bills' ownership lets him draft another QB after picking Peterman and Allen. I disagree....If anyone is going to get a 2nd chance, it's Beane. Remember that Beane/McDermott wields a lot of power at One Bills Drive. They ended the drought and will be given the right for a second chance. I think that the Bills could have two bad seasons (4-12 or worse) and they'd still get a 3rd year. That's how much Terry loves them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 29 minutes ago, GreggTX said: Well at least Peterman has a challenger for worst Bills QB ever, Here are Dan Darraugh's career stats. http://www.nfl.com/player/dandarragh/2512467/careerstats but darragh is 71--no wonder his stats are similar to peterman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said: Beane made the play-offs with a worse roster, #enoughsaid McD did with a lot of Whaley guys. McD is better than Rex.. shocker. we just saw what happened when McD had to roll with Beanes' damndest attempt to tank. Edited September 10, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said: Explain why? the draft capital it took to get Allen is not a one or even two year play and dump. Beane first wouldn't do it. Pegula's most likely wouldn't let him do it. But if Beane did the both the GM and HC would never have those job titles in the NFL again. Look at what trash Peterman was last year. Drafted by McD and yet started in the season opener. Edited September 10, 2018 by Best Player Available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearc012 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 27 minutes ago, row_33 said: Bills in cap jail we are in fan hell Hell..... spike is in pee wee football hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 I think that Alabama could've beaten the BIlls today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 9 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said: It's a joke. But I do feel that Bills fans will romanticize about former players/coaches/GM's. I didn't think Whaley was very good as GM but many fans still pine for him. It's no surprise he's been out of the league for the 2 years since he got the axe. Whaley was a pretty good GM IMO. He has had some offers. FWIW, he can go back to the Steelers at any point. They think very highly of him. He added talent. Whaley’s mistake was that he didn’t cross all of his “t’s” and dot all of his “I’s.” His biggest mistake as a GM was not having an out in the Dareus contract. There had to be some recourse if he was suspended (again). 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: 3 to 4 years? Things need to move along a little quicker than that... I honestly meant to type 2-3 years. I believe that is realistic. Start stocking up next year, build up experience the following year and then in year 3, begin to fill the void left by the end of the Pats* dynasty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 33 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said: You seem to forget the Bills are in cap jail. Due largely to Dareus contract. Boo hoo! Whose fault is that except the current HC and GM who are incompetent in handling personnel matters? Maybe McDermott and Beane should have considered the dead cap implications of getting rid of Dareus ($13.6 million) before they gave him away to the Jags. He wasn't a locker room cancer; Frazier and McDermott failed to get the best out of him, although he seems to be flourishing again in the Jags DL rotation under Marrone. A good HC figures out how to get the best out of the very talented players on his roster, even if they don't necessarily get along well. The Bills also should have considered the cap implications of trading away Taylor ($7.6 million) and Glenn ($9.6 million). 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 8 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said: Explain why? I disagree....If anyone is going to get a 2nd chance, it's Beane. Remember that Beane/McDermott wields a lot of power at One Bills Drive. They ended the drought and will be given the right for a second chance. I think that the Bills could have two bad seasons (4-12 or worse) and they'd still get a 3rd year. That's how much Terry loves them I don't see any logic here. We know Peterman is terrible. If Allen is also terrible, there's no argument that can be made suggesting the GM should get a 3rd crack at picking a QB. That completely defies logic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: I don't see any logic here. We know Peterman is terrible. If Allen is also terrible, there's no argument that can be made suggesting the GM should get a 3rd crack at picking a QB. That completely defies logic. 3rd crack? Peterman was not a Beane pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatdane21 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Look at all the areas where this ream has far below league average talent offensive line , wide receiver ,tight end, line backer ,pass rushers, quarterback, right corner back special teams. I find it hard to believe any of our. WR ,OL and Lb other than Edmunds is on this team next year plus all new DE s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greeneblitz Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 I think today went GREAT as long as it leads to Allen starting from here on out, we don't have the talent to compete for the playoffs, we need Josh Allen to go into 2019 with a full seasons experience under his belt, nearly every single rookie QB ever is bad in their rookie year and start to blossom in year 2, just when we have 70 million in cap space and a full draft to build around him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, SoTier said: Boo hoo! Whose fault is that except the current HC and GM who are incompetent in handling personnel matters? Maybe McDermott and Beane should have considered the dead cap implications of getting rid of Dareus ($13.6 million) before they gave him away to the Jags. He wasn't a locker room cancer; Frazier and McDermott failed to get the best out of him, although he seems to be flourishing again in the Jags DL rotation under Marrone. A good HC figures out how to get the best out of the very talented players on his roster, even if they don't necessarily get along well. The Bills also should have considered the cap implications of trading away Taylor ($7.6 million) and Glenn ($9.6 million). He's not really flourishing. He's part of a DL rotation. It's not like he's an All-Pro. great hyperbole though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 31 minutes ago, NoSaint said: are we that much better with Star and the dead money as opposed to dareus and someone else on the roster? No. We are not better off. And that's the absurdity of the McBeane offseason. You spend the first full season and the beginning of the offseason shedding the team of Whaley's mistakes (Watkins, Dareus, Glenn) and refusing to recommit big bucks to certain solid contributors (Tyrod, Richie). And then you weirdly overpay for a lesser Dareus, so that when you add up the Dareus dead cap hit ($14 million this year) and the roster cap hit for Star ($6.7 million), you wind up using over $20 million of cap space for a subpar performer at DT. You really can't screw it up worse than that. Dumping Dareus was defensible in isolation (and I defended it). The moves in combination make zero sense. It obviously would've been better to just keep Dareus and his $10 million active roster cap hit for this year. Another way of looking at it: It's as if Beane thought Wyatt Teller (acquired with the pick from Jax for Dareus) was worthy of using up $10 million of cap space. He better be good .... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greeneblitz Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: I don't see any logic here. We know Peterman is terrible. If Allen is also terrible, there's no argument that can be made suggesting the GM should get a 3rd crack at picking a QB. That completely defies logic. McDermott picked Peterman, not Bean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said: 3rd crack? Peterman was not a Beane pick Sorry - I associate it as his pick even though it was McDermott's. Whaley was a lame duck GM who had next to nothing to do with the 2017 draft. It was McDermott's show and I believe that's still the case. Edited September 10, 2018 by jrober38 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Acquire the #1 pick and trade it for as much as we can possibly get then hit all those picks and use the cap that is freed up to nail several huge FAs. That is the only recipe for short term success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, SoTier said: Boo hoo! Whose fault is that except the current HC and GM who are incompetent in handling personnel matters? Maybe McDermott and Beane should have considered the dead cap implications of getting rid of Dareus ($13.6 million) before they gave him away to the Jags. He wasn't a locker room cancer; Frazier and McDermott failed to get the best out of him, although he seems to be flourishing again in the Jags DL rotation under Marrone. A good HC figures out how to get the best out of the very talented players on his roster, even if they don't necessarily get along well. The Bills also should have considered the cap implications of trading away Taylor ($7.6 million) and Glenn ($9.6 million). So so you want all of them back? Live in perennial .500 football? Go ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, SoTier said: Boo hoo! Whose fault is that except the current HC and GM who are incompetent in handling personnel matters? Maybe McDermott and Beane should have considered the dead cap implications of getting rid of Dareus ($13.6 million) before they gave him away to the Jags. He wasn't a locker room cancer; Frazier and McDermott failed to get the best out of him, although he seems to be flourishing again in the Jags DL rotation under Marrone. A good HC figures out how to get the best out of the very talented players on his roster, even if they don't necessarily get along well. The Bills also should have considered the cap implications of trading away Taylor ($7.6 million) and Glenn ($9.6 million). Keeping those 3 would have cost 25 mil more than their dead cap hit. I don’t get why people talk about star as a big signing, he was a discount veteran, that’s what he has played like. Look at Beane’s situation and the resources he had. To address it and then the bad roster makes a lot more sense. 1 draft and 25 mil in cap space is not enough to rebuild a team. If we kept Tyrod, Darius and Glenn then we would have had about 15 mil to sign our rookies and free agents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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