Maine-iac Posted September 9, 2018 Posted September 9, 2018 On 9/9/2018 at 8:43 PM, Peter said: My point is that I do not think the result would have been any different with many (or most) other QBs. We have huge problems across the board. If we focus on Peterman alone, we will ignore the fact that this team has enormous problems (players, coaching, front office). Expand You mean the same way they ignored it last year? I know I'll get flamed for it but with all the draft capital we used on Allen we could have had quality recievers and OL replacements. I like Allen, I really do, but to package that much to draft a QB who isn't even ready to step in and play under the assumption that you can coach him up is asking a lot of the coaching staff in Buffalo. 1
BullBuchanan Posted September 9, 2018 Posted September 9, 2018 Allen had nearly an entire half, mostly against backups, and didn't do any better. How does he get such blind confidence from folks that he's going to be any sort of improvement? He needs to sit and practice if he's going to have any hope of living up to the ridiculous expectations that people have for him. He's going to become the next David Carr if he starts this year.
Peter Posted September 9, 2018 Posted September 9, 2018 (edited) On 9/9/2018 at 9:02 PM, BB@Shooter said: Did you watch any preseason? What do you have against Allen? NP had 1 start under his belt and threw 5 interceptions. Now he has 7. N P sucks. Expand I have nothing against Josh Allen. You need to read my posts more carefully. Reader's Digest Version: I do not want to destroy whatever potential the kid may have. He is raw and I would hate to see the kid get killed and his potential stunted. If only the Bills had bothered to make sure that we had a good offensive line to help the kid out (and Shady). Edited September 9, 2018 by Peter
Roundybout Posted September 9, 2018 Posted September 9, 2018 On 9/9/2018 at 9:02 PM, Peter said: Read my previous posts on this subject. In a nutshell: We have had all off season to replace Wood. We did not. It sounded to me like Groy was heir apparent, and had played well when Wood broke his leg. We foolishly decided to nickel and dime our pro bowl guard. In my judgment, I think that Richie would be just fine if he was part of the team an we did not stupidly force the pay cut. I presume you disagree. History demonstrated that he was fine while in the structure of the team. I agree with this, but I wonder if Richie still would have pulled the same stuff he did at that gym. If he did, would we have cut him? We traded. Cordy Glenn when I would have kept him. I never saw Cordy get manhandled like Dion got manhandled against the Browns. We didn't see much of Glenn at all because he was hurt a lot. Was Groy in there a lot. We made no attempt to re-sign Seantrel. Our former VP, however, signed him as soon as he became GM of the Texans. According to everything I read, Seantrel has played well for the Texans (and well against JJ Watt in practice). Mr. Pot Head? I remember a lot of people wanted him gone. He also just snapped his ankle. Just my two cents. Expand
BuffaloHokie13 Posted September 9, 2018 Posted September 9, 2018 On 9/9/2018 at 9:05 PM, BullBuchanan said: Allen had nearly an entire half, mostly against backups, and didn't do any better. How does he get such blind confidence from folks that he's going to be any sort of improvement? He needs to sit and practice if he's going to have any hope of living up to the ridiculous expectations that people have for him. He's going to become the next David Carr if he starts this year. Expand Stop. You're embarrassing yourself.
Maine-iac Posted September 9, 2018 Posted September 9, 2018 On 9/9/2018 at 9:03 PM, Jerome007 said: Allen, Murphy, the punter, and the fact that if the Ravens can totally rebuild their WR corp in one offseason, so can the Bills No big injuries Ravens also made a big use of their TE. Where were Clay and the other guys? Expand Other teams do amazing things all the time. Buffalo, not so much. We could but will we?
Peter Posted September 9, 2018 Posted September 9, 2018 Second worst defeat in Buffalo Bills history!!! Well done McBeane. Well done!
Roundybout Posted September 9, 2018 Posted September 9, 2018 On 9/9/2018 at 9:05 PM, BullBuchanan said: Allen had nearly an entire half, mostly against backups, and didn't do any better. How does he get such blind confidence from folks that he's going to be any sort of improvement? He needs to sit and practice if he's going to have any hope of living up to the ridiculous expectations that people have for him. He's going to become the next David Carr if he starts this year. Expand He was far better than Peterman. Did you see the obcene number of drops out there? Should have had at least one touchdown and probably two.
BB@Shooter Posted September 9, 2018 Posted September 9, 2018 On 9/9/2018 at 9:02 PM, Peter said: Read my previous posts on this subject. In a nutshell: We have had all off season to replace Wood. We did not. We foolishly decided to nickel and dime our pro bowl guard. In my judgment, I think that Richie would be just fine if he was part of the team an we did not stupidly force the pay cut. I presume you disagree. History demonstrated that he was fine while in the structure of the team. We traded. Cordy Glenn when I would have kept him. I never saw Cordy get manhandled like Dion got manhandled against the Browns. We made no attempt to re-sign Seantrel. Our former VP, however, signed him as soon as he became GM of the Texans. According to everything I read, Seantrel has played well for the Texans (and well against JJ Watt in practice). Just my two cents. Expand In case you don't know, Buffalo is not a destination for top of the line free agents. And if you ever listened to the GM''s plans, they are not putting out a lot of money for free agents until they get some salary cap moved. The previous regime left them no choice but to clear up enough room to get some quality people to Buffalo.
Wayne Cubed Posted September 9, 2018 Posted September 9, 2018 On 9/9/2018 at 9:05 PM, BullBuchanan said: Allen had nearly an entire half, mostly against backups, and didn't do any better. How does he get such blind confidence from folks that he's going to be any sort of improvement? He needs to sit and practice if he's going to have any hope of living up to the ridiculous expectations that people have for him. He's going to become the next David Carr if he starts this year. Expand I love that David Carr is literally the only QB people can point to who was "shell shocked" in the modern NFL era. Yet, here we are and how many QBs have been drafted and started behind bad OLs and haven't been shell shocked, they succeeded or sucked. Soooooo 1 guy, 1 QB. But wait, it could happen to Allen, it happens all the time...
HappyDays Posted September 9, 2018 Posted September 9, 2018 On 9/9/2018 at 9:05 PM, BullBuchanan said: Allen had nearly an entire half, mostly against backups, and didn't do any better. Expand Wow... 1
BullBuchanan Posted September 9, 2018 Posted September 9, 2018 On 9/9/2018 at 9:06 PM, BillsEnthusiast said: He was far better than Peterman. Did you see the obcene number of drops out there? Should have had at least one touchdown and probably two. Expand Petermans whole half was nothing but drops. They had the same starters playing the same garbage game against Ravens 1rst, 2nd and 3rd team.
Peter Posted September 9, 2018 Posted September 9, 2018 On 9/9/2018 at 9:07 PM, Wayne Cubed said: I love that David Carr is literally the only QB people can point to who was "shell shocked" in the modern NFL era. Yet, here we are and how many QBs have been drafted and started behind bad OLs and haven't been shell shocked, they succeeded or sucked. Soooooo 1 guy, 1 QB. But wait, it could happen to Allen, it happens all the time... Expand Or, maybe they sucked because of the line.
BullBuchanan Posted September 9, 2018 Posted September 9, 2018 On 9/9/2018 at 9:07 PM, Wayne Cubed said: I love that David Carr is literally the only QB people can point to who was "shell shocked" in the modern NFL era. Yet, here we are and how many QBs have been drafted and started behind bad OLs and haven't been shell shocked, they succeeded or sucked. Soooooo 1 guy, 1 QB. But wait, it could happen to Allen, it happens all the time... Expand He's not the only one. Jake Plummer was another elite talent that was ruined, maybe Sam bradford too. David Carr just happened to be the most sacked QB in NFL history, and he could have been great.
Wayne Cubed Posted September 9, 2018 Posted September 9, 2018 On 9/9/2018 at 9:08 PM, BullBuchanan said: Petermans whole half was nothing but drops. They had the same starters playing the same garbage game against Ravens 1rst, 2nd and 3rd team. Expand Wow, this is an embarrassing post. It was all drops? Seriously? What about the over throws? Or were those drops too? On 9/9/2018 at 9:08 PM, Peter said: Or, maybe they sucked because of the line. Expand Show me those QBs then.
Roundybout Posted September 9, 2018 Posted September 9, 2018 On 9/9/2018 at 9:08 PM, BullBuchanan said: Petermans whole half was nothing but drops. They had the same starters playing the same garbage game against Ravens 1rst, 2nd and 3rd team. Expand He had to throw it near someone for them to drop it. 1
GunnerBill Posted September 9, 2018 Posted September 9, 2018 On 9/9/2018 at 9:05 PM, Peter said: I have nothing against Josh Allen. You need to read my posts more carefully. Reader's Digest Version: I do not want to destroy whatever potential the kid may have. He is raw and I would hate to see the kid get killed and his potential stunted. If only the Bills had bothered to make sure that we had a good offensive line to help the kid out (and Shady). Expand I agree with that but what is the alternative? Peterman isn't a genuine alternative. That is obvious.
Peter Posted September 9, 2018 Posted September 9, 2018 On 9/9/2018 at 9:05 PM, Maine-iac said: You mean the same way they ignored it last year? I know I'll get flamed for it but with all the draft capital we used on Allen we could have had quality recievers and OL replacements. I like Allen, I really do, but to package that much to draft a QB who isn't even ready to step in and play under the assumption that you can coach him up is asking a lot of the coaching staff in Buffalo. Expand . . . and asking too much of this specific coaching staff. They are out of their depth.
BB@Shooter Posted September 9, 2018 Posted September 9, 2018 On 9/9/2018 at 9:05 PM, Peter said: I have nothing against Josh Allen. You need to read my posts more carefully. Reader's Digest Version: I do not want to destroy whatever potential the kid may have. He is raw and I would hate to see the kid get killed and his potential stunted. If only the Bills had bothered to make sure that we had a good offensive line to help the kid out (and Shady). Expand Do you know anything about what Luck and Peyton Manning went through in Indy? I think they are doing fine. Allen is used to the beating. He will be fine.
BullBuchanan Posted September 9, 2018 Posted September 9, 2018 On 9/9/2018 at 9:10 PM, BillsEnthusiast said: He had to throw it near someone for them to drop it. Expand Like right into Benjamin's hands? Or Kerley looking the wrong way for the pass?
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