oldmanfan Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Bray Wyatt said: If you are referring to oldmanfan, he was indybillsfan on BBMB, and iirc he teaches anatomy or something of the like at a university, but he can correct me if I am mistaken, thats just off the top of my head. Independent; lean very much towards the conservative on fiscal and law and order issues, more to the liberal side in social issues. Went for Johnson/Weld; could not in good conscience vote for either party lastvelection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 And there's still more. Cuomo is getting into the act, lol Quote ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) — Investigators in New York state issued a subpoena to Michael Cohen as part of their probe into the Trump Foundation, an official with Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s administration confirmed to The Associated Press on Wednesday. The subpoena was issued after Cohen’s attorney said his client has information of interest to both state and federal prosecutors. As Trump’s longtime lawyer and self-described “fixer,” Cohen could potentially be a significant source of information for state investigators looking into whether Trump or his charity broke state law or lied about their tax liability. https://apnews.com/72c5c19195f84abfaa42eaffe78d806a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 28 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: Reducing the costs in government services is one thing. Handing over schools to someone who makes personal profit by making them fail is a bad idea. Conservatives and libertarians aren't interested solely "in reducing the costs in government services", which essentially means "libertarian reforms of socialist ideals". We have very divergent ideas from you about the proper role of government, and seek to diminish it in both size and scope. To wit: I, and many others here, do not believe that the Department of Education should even exist, and the fact that it does exist is a gross overreach of the proper and just role of government. Betsy DeVos, along with being wildly incompetent at her job, her personal ownership in charter school and online learning. While this is not a bad thing HOLT **** is it a conflict of interest, and one that she has been exploiting. Incorrect. It is not a conflict of interest any more than appointing a lifetime school administrator seeking to grow the influence of the role would be in the other direction. It's simply a difference in governing philosophy, and attempting to paint it as anything else is a demand that the entire discussion begin with the acceptance that a Department of Education is a proper part of the federal bureaucracy. A premise I outright reject. The EPA is designed to make sure that we aren't poisoning ourselves for a quick buck. Scott Pruitt committed so many ethics violations that I honestly would need a thread to list them all. And now we have approval for new uses of asbestos in commercial products...you know, the thing that causes rampant cancer? Scott Pruitt's ethical violations have nothing to do with EPA policy. The charter of the EPA is clean air, and clean water. Full stop. What you don't like is the notion that there is a set of political beliefs which are directly opposed to leftist cottage industries like global warming, and who don't believe credentialed environmental lobbyists should be empowered to run the EPA in pursuit of it's leftist agenda. Again, this is a trend: Your real issue, as I prior stated, is that you honestly believe that the government, and all of it's agencies, should be tools of the political left in enforcing it's agenda. Conservativism [sic] is not malfeasance, though I think of it as a seesaw of usage. The Trump administration just couldn't be more corrupt and cartoonishly greedy if they tried. You're wrong, and your ass is showing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 1 minute ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Conservatives and libertarians aren't interested solely "in reducing the costs in government services", which essentially means "libertarian reforms of socialist ideals". We have very divergent ideas from you about the proper role of government, and seek to diminish it in both size and scope. To wit: I, and many others here, do not believe that the Department of Education should even exist, and the fact that it does exist is a gross overreach of the proper and just role of government. Incorrect. It is not a conflict of interest any more than appointing a lifetime school administrator seeking to grow the influence of the role would be in the other direction. It's simply a difference in governing philosophy, and attempting to paint it as anything else is a demand that the entire discussion begin with the acceptance that a Department of Education is a proper part of the federal bureaucracy. A premise I outright reject. Scott Pruitt's ethical violations have nothing to do with EPA policy. The charter of the EPA is clean air, and clean water. Full stop. What you don't like is the notion that there is a set of political beliefs which are directly opposed to leftist cottage industries like global warming, and who don't believe credentialed environmental lobbyists should be empowered to run the EPA in pursuit of it's leftist agenda. Again, this is a trend: Your real issue, as I prior stated, is that you honestly believe that the government, and all of it's agencies, should be tools of the political left in enforcing it's agenda. You're wrong, and your ass is showing. Completely agree with you on the Department of Education. No need for that; it is a state/local government issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 I laughed...Guess where http://www.michaelcohentruth.com takes you? (I left it unlinked so no one would think I did anything to it). Must be why Lanny said the wrong URL on Megyn Kelly's show today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: I laughed...Guess where http://www.michaelcohentruth.com takes you? (I left it unlinked so no one would think I did anything to it). Must be why Lanny said the wrong URL on Megyn Kelly's show today. That's hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 He's fearless... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 I'm having a hard time (a) seeing how hush money is a campaign contribution, and (b) blaming Trump for following the advice of his counsel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 56 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: He's fearless... Law's got nothing to do with it, Alan. Their "feels" trumps the law. 44 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: THAT'S the Trump I grew up knowing. Too damned incompetent to be criminal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 Manafort is found guilty by a jury. None of those charges were related to anything connected to President Trump. Though it shows the Mueller team can build a prosecution case, it also shows that some charges are beyond a jury's ability to process and sort out. It seems the Manafort jurors split the baby as best they could. Michael Cohen, the President's lawyer, pleads guilty. Yes, there is a recurring and ironic pattern that has Team "Lock Her Up" getting locked up. Cohen's guilty plea is far more damaging to the President than Manafort being found guilty. Cohen, by his plea, acknowledges the President's involvement in those acts that Cohen admits are crimes. This should be bad news for the President. This should be a bad day for the President. Many chattering heads on television are convinced it was a terrible, no good, very bad day for President Donald Trump. None of this has anything to do with Russia, which just gives the GOP a talking point. On the Republican side, it does not matter. The GOP has now so totally become a party in opposition to the Democrats rather than in support of any position that the President's support is baked in. There is no video of the President using the N word. There is no order Cohen to commit crimes or anything else. Omarosa is off the front page and trying desperately to get back on it with a series of lame videos. There is just Michael Cohen at center stage. He can now say whatever he wants to say, but the President's supporters will treat him now as a traitor out to get their man because he has not been pardoned so is bitter. He is still President. His supporters still love him. And to the extent this causes voters to put Democrats in charge of the House, it gives the President some group he can more easily vilify. Yes, for a normal President and a normal presidency, yesterday would have been terrible. But this is no normal President and no normal presidency. This presidency feeds off this sort of chaos and his supporters rally to him at times like these. https://www.themaven.net/theresurgent/erick-erickson/manafort-is-found-guilty-by-a-jury-none-of-those-charges-were-related-to-anything-connected-to-5Z7zSnesr0GYnCToNASWMA/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 9 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: He already talked and the best he could offer was coping to a violation which they could juice up with spicy (and legally meaningless) language to control a news cycle for a few days. The he amount of "this time they got Trump" on display is hilarious. You'd think y'all would have learned your lessons by now to stop trusting the reporting of mindless partisans pushing a narrative... But nope. You and I have no idea what he has agreed to testify to in exchange for the plea. The point is this: When the president's Mr. Wolf agrees to spill the beans, that's not a good day for the president. Any other spin is naive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 1 minute ago, BeginnersMind said: You and I have no idea what he has agreed to testify to in exchange for the plea. The point is this: When the president's Mr. Wolf agrees to spill the beans, that's not a good day for the president. Any other spin is naive. Nine words and two punctuation marks between the bolded. That is the fastest descent into hypocrisy in recorded history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Nine words and two punctuation marks between the bolded. That is the fastest descent into hypocrisy in recorded history. Tell me how they are inconsistent. None of know us what he said, but when the president's dirty-deed personal attorney agrees to talk, that is NOT a good day. It's doesn't matter what he has. I tend to agree that what he has is likely not earth shattering, but that doesn't mean Trump wants his personal attorney talking freely. Who would? Edited August 23, 2018 by BeginnersMind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 Just now, BeginnersMind said: Tell me how they are inconsistent. None of know what he said, but when the president's dirty-deed personal attorney agrees to talk, that is NOT a good day. It's doesn't matter what he has. I tend to agree that what he has is likely not earth shattering, but that doesn't mean Trump wants his personal attorney talking freely. Who would? "I have no idea what he agreed to testify." "[He] agrees to spill the beans." How are those consistent? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, DC Tom said: "I have no idea what he agreed to testify." "[He] agrees to spill the beans." How are those consistent? Maybe you didn't hear Cohen's attorney yesterday and today. In your unerring eagerness to shout hypocrisy, you ignore the spoken words of those in the story. Engaging in discussion instead of always going for the "hypocrisy" and "moron" label will lead to more productive dialog here. Edited August 23, 2018 by BeginnersMind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 1 minute ago, BeginnersMind said: Maybe you didn't hear Cohen's attorney yesterday and today. In your unerring eagerness to shout hypocrisy, you ignore the spoken words of those in the sotry. Engaging in discussion instead of always going for the "hypocrisy" and "moron" label will lead to more productive dialog here. There are a couple problems with your response. Cohen's plea agreement had no written statement that he would give any future cooperation. Lanny Davis is a slimeball lawyer and his whole purpose for getting involved with Cohen is to trash Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 13 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said: You and I have no idea what he has agreed to testify to in exchange for the plea. I know what he agreed to say because I read the plea. Mueller already took his testimony, months ago. The deal with Cohen/Mueller was cut in April and the plea was the "deal". He's doing 3-5. There's not "more" Cohen revelations relating to Russian collusion to come. It's already been gotten and this deal was the best they got from him. It's amazing what you can discover when you just read the information for yourself. 8 minutes ago, DC Tom said: "I have no idea what he agreed to testify." "[He] agrees to spill the beans." How are those consistent? It's consistent when your boss is Brock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 Also... So Cohen has nothing else to offer in terms of evidence... yet, keep clinging to the hope that this time, they got Trump. Aren't the smarter of you, the non-paid-trolls of you, a little tired of getting the rug pulled out from under you each and every time? They think you're stupid, and you just keep proving them right by buying into the narrative pushed by proven liars with agendas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 18 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said: Engaging in discussion instead of always going for the "hypocrisy" and "moron" label will lead to more productive dialog here. Not when the other person in the discussion is being a hypocritical moron, it won't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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