Summit Predictions

[row_33]

27 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Are you really this stupid?

 

[chattering with insane glee]

[outsidethebox]

5 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Obama did get pictures though.

I think he was looking for his dignity. He seems to have lost it.

[Deranged Rhino]

And just to beat the normal crowd to the punch: 

 

Only if you don't understand what returning a salute means. A return salute is a simple sign of respect to a soldier, not a ritualistic signal of inferiority. 

[Koko78]

52 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Yes, he was joking, which was obvious after watching the video.

 

But is it so hard to understand why some may not find it remotely funny or even be offended by his "joke?" My people didn't fight and die in Korea so that our president, our commander in chief, can make a joke about wanting his people to behave in the same brainwashed way as N Korea's murderous dictator's people behave for him. A murderous dictator whom we are still technically at war with, by the way. 

 

So sure, go ahead and bring the snark and hurl the insults at those who didn't find it funny. Others have good reason to take issue with those words. 

 

The problem is that the vast majority of people who find his comments offensive are actively looking to be offended by anything he says or does. I'm sure his morning bowel movement is offensive to many liberals, for no other reason than they hate Trump.

[DC Tom]

Just now, Koko78 said:

 

The problem is that the vast majority of people who find his comments offensive are actively looking to be offended by anything he says or does.

 

Which is probably the biggest reason he makes those comments.

[Koko78]

40 minutes ago, LABillzFan said:

 

Right on! I'm totally with you, man. Everyone who didn't want Hillary as president belongs to a cult!  They are all stupid, uneducated POS crazy people!

 

Let's get that message out, everywhere we go! Yeah, I know it makes us sound unhinged, but it's for the greater cause!

 

Not With Her? You're A Cultist POS!  

 

 

Meeting is next Tuesday at 6 pm. Bring a white robe.

 

35 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Are you really this stupid?

 

Yes. Yes he is.

5 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

Which is probably the biggest reason he makes those comments.

 

He is the world's greatest troll.

[DC Tom]

57 minutes ago, peace out said:

 

What are the actual results Trump has achieved from the summit?

 

On 6/11/2018 at 10:34 PM, DC Tom said:

 

That's what these summits are.  Shake hands, shoot the ****, pretend you negotiated something that your underlings spent months negotiating earlier.

 

The Camp David accords involved 14 months of behind-the-scenes negotiating before Sadat and Begin met.  You think this meeting's the start of talks?  Most this'll be is an agreement on a framework for future negotiations and another summit about a year from now.

 

[K-9]

19 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

The problem is that the vast majority of people who find his comments offensive are actively looking to be offended by anything he says or does. I'm sure his morning bowel movement is offensive to many liberals, for no other reason than they hate Trump.

While there is certainly some truth to the idea that people are looking to be offended and will be simply for that reason alone, the phenomenon cuts both ways as there is no shortage of those on the right who always have their antennae up and ready to find offense. 

 

But I can't speak for why anyone else who may be offended. I've stated why I'm offended as have the veterans in my family. If you and others can't see how that's possible, it's no skin off my back and we certainly don't have to qualify that viewpoint to anyone thinking it's just more liberal outrage. 

Edited June 15, 2018 by K-9

[Deranged Rhino]

 

The clip is great. 

[3rdnlng]

8 minutes ago, K-9 said:

While there is certainly some truth to the idea that people are looking to be offended and will be simply because of that but that phenomenon cuts both ways as there is no shortage of those on the right who always have their antennae up and ready to find offense. 

 

But I can't speak for why anyone else who may be offended. I've stated why I'm offended as have the veterans in my family. If you and others can't see how that's possible, it's no skin off my back and we certainly don't have to qualify that viewpoint to anyone thinking it's just more liberal outrage. 

As a veteran myself, I have no problem with what Trump said as a joke. Then again I don't have skin the thickness of a condom.

[K-9]

1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said:

As a veteran myself, I have no problem with what Trump said as a joke. Then again I don't have skin the thickness of a condom.

Well, these veterans fought in Korea, so they feel differently. 

 

Nice job with the snarky insults to those veterans. I'll let them know they have such thin skin. 

[B-Man]

For the folks debating the last two pages..........

 

David Drucker FACT CHECKS outraged Lefties on Trump saying he wants people to treat him like Kim Jong Un

 

Imagine going through life LOOKING for ways to spread outrage …

 

Granted, if you’re a seriously biased talking head in the age of Trump, you’re going to hear what you want to hear, like ThinkProgress editor and founder, Judd Legum.

 

Quote

 

Judd Legum

✔ @JuddLegum

Trump says he wants people to treat him like North Koreans treat Kim Jung Un.

Really.

8:53 AM - Jun 15, 2018

 

 

 

David M. Drucker

✔ @DavidMDrucker

So, in watching video, when Trump refers to Kim's "people" he seems to be referring to govt staff/generals, etc. Because when Trump says he wants his people to do same,

he points to the WH behind him...1/

 

...Now, there are still some potential problems w/ Trump's comments. Kim's subordinates most show fealty to Kim - there is no freedom of dissent or a Constitution they are pledged to uphold, so it's either bow to Kim or go to the gulags...2/

 

...Although all president's want/need loyalty & in fact it's customary to stand when the president enters the room, etc, a greater loyalty to the Constitution is understood to take precedence. And it's unclear that POTUS appreciates this feature of our system...3/

 

 

No one is the least bit surprised that Trump of all presidents wants loyalty from the people who work for him, right?

 

Not necessarily a great character trait but not literally Kim Jong Un.

 

And kudos to Drucker for not jumping on the ‘TRUMP WANTS TO BE AN EVIL DICTATOR WE KNEW IT’ train like the rest of the media.

 

 

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2018/06/15/david-drucker-fact-checks-outraged-lefties-on-trump-saying-he-wants-people-to-treat-him-like-kim-jong-un/

 

 

[K-9]

45 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

And just to beat the normal crowd to the punch: 

 

Only if you don't understand what returning a salute means. A return salute is a simple sign of respect to a soldier, not a ritualistic signal of inferiority. 

While that's open to debate as circumstance dictates, Trump probably erred on the side of caution by returning the salute. Hard to fault him for that. 

[DC Tom]

Just now, K-9 said:

While that's open to debate as circumstance dictates, Trump probably erred on the side of caution by returning the salute. Hard to fault him for that. 

 

He was specifically told beforehand it was incorrect protocol.

 

Still...it's his same old stupidity.  Nothing remarkable there.

[Prickly Pete]

3 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

He was specifically told beforehand it was incorrect protocol.

 

Still...it's his same old stupidity.  Nothing remarkable there.

 

Honestly, why give a !@#$?

[K-9]

3 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

He was specifically told beforehand it was incorrect protocol.

 

Still...it's his same old stupidity.  Nothing remarkable there.

In that case, he should be faulted for it. Like I said,  it's my understanding the etiquette is based on the circumstance, including country and who is doing the saluting. Allies are one thing, enemies another, etc.  In the case of N Korea, it's easy to see why he was advised not to. But, stupid is as stupid does as they say. 

[GG]

2 minutes ago, K-9 said:

In that case, he should be faulted for it. Like I said,  it's my understanding the etiquette is based on the circumstance, including country and who is doing the saluting. Allies are one thing, enemies another, etc.  In the case of N Korea, it's easy to see why he was advised not to. But, stupid is as stupid does as they say. 

 

You'll wear yourself out trying to point out all the stupid **** Trump says on a daily basis

[K-9]

1 minute ago, GG said:

 

You'll wear yourself out trying to point out all the stupid **** Trump says on a daily basis

You got that right. Fortunately, most of what he says goes in one ear and out the other but occasionally he will utter something I find personally offensive, like this morning. He managed to denigrate those who gave the ultimate sacrifice fighting against the kind of murderous regime he found so laudable in his "joke" this morning. 

[Deranged Rhino]

20 minutes ago, K-9 said:

While that's open to debate as circumstance dictates, Trump probably erred on the side of caution by returning the salute. Hard to fault him for that. 

 

I would not have returned a salute for the record. Like you I'm from a family of veterans, some of that war.

[GG]

1 minute ago, K-9 said:

You got that right. Fortunately, most of what he says goes in one ear and out the other but occasionally he will utter something I find personally offensive, like this morning. He managed to denigrate those who gave the ultimate sacrifice fighting against the kind of murderous regime he found so laudable in his "joke" this morning. 

 

No different than standing next to a crazy uncle who has a penchant for always saying stupid things.  By the time you're 16 you know to tune him out.

 

I know it's a bizarre concept to have a crazy uncle manning the most important job in the world, but so far, he's managed to differentiate his mouth from his signing hand.  Once the two start to converge, then it will be time to be more concerned (like the looming trade war).

[Buffalo_Gal]

North Korea begins returning remains of missing US troops from Korean War, Trump says

I can't tell if that was posted yet (not going back through the snipping, sorry)

[Koko78]

1 hour ago, K-9 said:

While there is certainly some truth to the idea that people are looking to be offended and will be simply for that reason alone, the phenomenon cuts both ways as there is no shortage of those on the right who always have their antennae up and ready to find offense. 

 

But I can't speak for why anyone else who may be offended. I've stated why I'm offended as have the veterans in my family. If you and others can't see how that's possible, it's no skin off my back and we certainly don't have to qualify that viewpoint to anyone thinking it's just more liberal outrage. 

 

When did I ever say I didn't see how it was possible? Strawman arguments don't last long around here.

 

However, the culture of feigned outrage over every little thing dilutes those who may actually have some reason to be offended. Back in 2011, Sarah Palin made some comment about the crosshair pic hysteria, using the obscure term 'blood libel'. The libs feigned even more outrage about the term, claiming it was anti-Semitic and painful due to bullschiff that happened in the middle ages.

 

I knew it was a stupid statement when I heard him say it. To get upset and offended over such a comment is silly, veteran or not.

[K-9]

1 minute ago, Koko78 said:

 

When did I ever say I didn't see how it was possible? Strawman arguments don't last long around here.

 

However, the culture of feigned outrage over every little thing dilutes those who may actually have some reason to be offended. Back in 2011, Sarah Palin made some comment about the crosshair pic hysteria, using the obscure term 'blood libel'. The libs feigned even more outrage about the term, claiming it was anti-Semitic and painful due to bullschiff that happened in the middle ages.

 

I knew it was a stupid statement when I heard him say it. To get upset and offended over such a comment is silly, veteran or not.

Not a straw man in the least. You said the whole problem was liberals just wanting to find something to be offended by, including Trump's morning bowel movement, iirc. That suggests you can't see how it's possible for someone to be offended otherwise. Know what else doesn't last long around here? Pretending you didn't suggest something just because you didn't use precise words when the words you did use suggest the very thing you claim you never said. 

 

I agree with the culture of feigned outrage especially as it serves to dilute and undercut legitimate claims. 

 

But you and I don't get to arbitrate who can be offended by what. I find it ironic that in itself seems to offend you. 

[Koko78]

5 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Not a straw man in the least. You said the whole problem was liberals just wanting to find something to be offended by, including Trump's morning bowel movement, iirc. That suggests you can't see how it's possible for someone to be offended otherwise. Know what else doesn't last long around here? Pretending you didn't suggest something just because you didn't use precise words when the words you did use suggest the very thing you claim you never said. 

 

I agree with the culture of feigned outrage especially as it serves to dilute and undercut legitimate claims. 

 

But you and I don't get to arbitrate who can be offended by what. I find it ironic that in itself seems to offend you. 

 

You invented a position that I did not take, and then commented on it. That's a strawman argument.

 

You're right, neither one of us get to determine who can be offended. I never did such a thing (and, frankly, neither did you). Pointing out that it's silly to get offended by so little is not 'arbitrating' anything.

[K-9]

3 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

You invented a position that I did not take, and then commented on it. That's a strawman argument.

 

You're right, neither one of us get to determine who can be offended. I never did such a thing (and, frankly, neither did you). Pointing out that it's silly to get offended by so little is not 'arbitrating' anything.

Did you or did you not take the position that the whole problem was liberals just looking to be offended by something Trump said? Does that not suggest my offense to his remarks wasn't legitimate? And you do it again in this post: "Pointing out that it's silly to get offended by so little" when what he said today may not be considered "little" in the least by others and certainly not me. 

 

As to my statement about not getting to be the arbitrators of what's offensive and what's not, that was a summation point; not an accusation about a position you didn't take. But I can see how my words may have been misconstrued. Apologies.  Hope that clears it up for you. 

[row_33]

27 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

You invented a position that I did not take, and then commented on it. That's a strawman argument.

 

You're right, neither one of us get to determine who can be offended. I never did such a thing (and, frankly, neither did you). Pointing out that it's silly to get offended by so little is not 'arbitrating' anything.

 

 

K-9's straw men aren't even thought out enough to be 3rd-rate straw men

 

[DC Tom]

1 hour ago, OJABBA said:

 

Honestly, why give a !@#$?

 

Well, for starters, I can't think of a single instance where the junior officer doesn't salute first...

[row_33]

2 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

Well, for starters, I can't think of a single instance where the junior officer doesn't salute first...

 

Both arms in traction?

 

[outsidethebox]

1 hour ago, K-9 said:

In that case, he should be faulted for it. Like I said,  it's my understanding the etiquette is based on the circumstance, including country and who is doing the saluting. Allies are one thing, enemies another, etc.  In the case of N Korea, it's easy to see why he was advised not to. But, stupid is as stupid does as they say. 

Does that include bowing as well?

[DC Tom]

11 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

Both arms in traction?

 

 

Then no one salutes.

 

Actually, I think there's one case...I think Medal of Honor holders never have to initiate a salute.  (Don't know if that holds in other militaries - VC awards, for instance.)

[outsidethebox]

Just now, Doc Brown said:

I rolled my eyes when conservatives balked at Obama for bowing to Saudi Arabia and Japan.  I rolled my eyes when I hear the left balk about Trump saluting a North Korean officer along with his flattery of Kim Jong Un.  It's not that important.

I agree Doc. Both sides do it. I just think it's pretty silly. 

[3rdnlng]

13 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

Well, for starters, I can't think of a single instance where the junior officer doesn't salute first...

It was an awkward moment. It looked like the NK officer started to salute and then didn't complete it but Trump had already started to salute back. The officer then saluted and then they shook hands. I think Trump deserves to be cut a little slack here. He's saluted and returns salutes all the time and I'm sure it's automatic. At least he returns salutes, unlike #44.

[Doc Brown]

I rolled my eyes when conservatives criticized Obama for bowing to Saudi Arabia and Japan.  I rolled my eyes when I hear the left criticize Trump for saluting a North Korean officer along with his flattery of Kim Jong Un.  It's not that important.

[row_33]

13 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I rolled my eyes when conservatives criticized Obama for bowing to Saudi Arabia and Japan.  I rolled my eyes when I hear the left criticize Trump for saluting a North Korean officer along with his flattery of Kim Jong Un.  It's not that important.

 

The US does not dip its flag or feel its Presidents are under compulsion to bow or grovel.

 

[Doc Brown]

1 minute ago, row_33 said:

 

The US does not dip its flag or feel its Presidents are under compulsion to bow or grovel.

 

I know the reasoning.  I just think it's fricken stupid that people get worked up about it.

[B-Man]

8 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I rolled my eyes when conservatives criticized Obama for bowing to Saudi Arabia and Japan.  I rolled my eyes when I hear the left criticize Trump for saluting a North Korean officer along with his flattery of Kim Jong Un.  It's not that important.

 

Geez Doc, your poor eyes must be worn out.

 

They've "rolled" more than Eddie Cantor..............................(old man reference..)

 

 

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[row_33]

9 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I know the reasoning.  I just think it's fricken stupid that people get worked up about it.

 

yes, America used to think highly of itself, and people want that again, that's why Trump won

 

reason # 1,357

 

 

[Prickly Pete]

55 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

Well, for starters, I can't think of a single instance where the junior officer doesn't salute first...

 

Yawn.

 

All these ceremonial formalities tip my "Give-A-Schiff-Meter" about .001 on a 10 scale.

 

 

Edited June 15, 2018 by OJABBA

[Koko78]

1 hour ago, row_33 said:

K-9's straw men aren't even thought out enough to be 3rd-rate straw men

 

Be nice. I appreciate his opinions, regardless of whether or not I agree with them. He expresses himself well without going full retard like Gator, Gary, Grant, etc.

[row_33]

11 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

Be nice. I appreciate his opinions, regardless of whether or not I agree with them. He expresses himself well without going full retard like Gator, Gary, Grant, etc.

 

usually ignored but not with any sense of reward

 

i tried un-ignoring the last few days and that was a mistake