colin Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Just now, teef said: it can be a very fine line, which is why most places have just prohibited it all together. sometimes it's the easiest way to avoid conflict. sure, but that's totally hypocritical on behalf of the pegula's, and the badge polishing going on here is laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXBILLSFAN Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 The issue is Russ. He is a predator. He is a harasser and he got caught. Even Kirby, one of RB's biggest apologist admits to this. All of you defenders trying to distract from this core argument by bringing up TP and KP is a joke. Like a couple other posters have mentioned, he should have been dismissed due to being incompetent, but, either way, the toxin has been eradicated. Pray for his victims and please, stop making excuses for him. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Just now, colin said: sure, but that's totally hypocritical on behalf of the pegula's, and the badge polishing going on here is laughable. Howso? He acted inappropriate at work, and had inappropriate work relationships (lets assume he did something wrong). When confronted about it by his boss and likely HR, this was the end result - and they mentioned deceit as a reason why. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, K-9 said: Get a grip on your Brandons. Constantly citing the wrong one makes you look like you aren’t informed and don’t know what you’re talking about. To be fair, I think there are plenty of other things in his posts that make him look uninformed and like he doesn't know what he is talking about. Edited May 2, 2018 by billsfan1959 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 50 minutes ago, Greybeard said: I am rather amazed at how many people aren't getting this. In any situation where an employee in a relationship can say they had to do it to keep their job, it puts a company at risk. To avoid the risk, company's simply make it a policy for dismissal. Also, I think some here don't really understand what "at will" employer really means with regards to job security. Just a note I was definitively corrected on the "at will" concept. Russ Brandon almost certainly had an individualized contract of employment, which almost certainly contained provisions for termination for bad doings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadLandsMeanie Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 24 minutes ago, dneveu said: That's all well and good... but you don't really know the nature of KP & TPs relationship (IE they could have been dating before she started), or the nature of Brandon's indiscretions (he may have just had a consensual relationship with one person, or he could have done something completely different and inappropriate). So it's a tad of a stretch and generalization. Gee no. I was going by Kim's account. I didn't just make that stuff up. 14 minutes ago, TXBILLSFAN said: The issue is Russ. He is a predator. He is a harasser and he got caught. Even Kirby, one of RB's biggest apologist admits to this. All of you defenders trying to distract from this core argument by bringing up TP and KP is a joke. Like a couple other posters have mentioned, he should have been dismissed due to being incompetent, but, either way, the toxin has been eradicated. Pray for his victims and please, stop making excuses for him. I will indeed. But what victims? All we got is one supposed relationship here. What is the real story do you know? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 (edited) 25 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: To be fair, I think there are plenty of other things in his posts that make him look uninformed and like he doesn't know what he is talking about. Totally, right? russ was a horrible monster, and any subordinate female is a wilting flower who is taken advantage of, except for Kim, who is a super excellent great president of a team, and terry p never slept w the help! [edited by mod to remove political talk and personal insults] Edited May 2, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 17 minutes ago, colin said: sure, but that's totally hypocritical on behalf of the pegula's, and the badge polishing going on here is laughable. I'm not sure what "badge polishing" means, but there used to be a saying that a former "player" (in the MF sense) makes the strictest parent. IMO people are allowed to grow and to change their views and risk perception. If I did something 20 years ago and stopped, doesn't make me a hypocrite if I forbid it today. Example: let's say as a youth, you put a car on a tree, earned a DWI, no one hurt but you were out legal costs, higher insurance for years, and car repair. You changed your ways. Now you're the parent of a teenage boy and you've laid out clear rules for his use of your car. He drives your car and arrives home from prom obviously drunk. He's broken the rules you've laid out for him. Are you a hypocrite if you take his car keys? I would say "no", you're a hypocrite if you're still driving drunk yourself but even then, he broke clear rules. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: I'm not sure what "badge polishing" means, but there used to be a saying that a former "player" (in the MF sense) makes the strictest parent. IMO people are allowed to grow and to change their views and risk perception. If I did something 20 years ago and stopped, doesn't make me a hypocrite if I forbid it today. Example: let's say as a youth, you put a car on a tree, earned a DWI, no one hurt but you were out legal costs, higher insurance for years, and car repair. You changed your ways. Now you're the parent of a teenage boy and you've laid out clear rules for his use of your car. He drives your car and arrives home from prom obviously drunk. He's broken the rules you've laid out for him. Are you a hypocrite if you take his car keys? I would say "no", you're a hypocrite if you're still driving drunk yourself but even then, he broke clear rules. they have stopped nothing. kim is still the boss lady because of who she slept with, and maybe this girl who Russ was heroically sexing up wanted the same outcome for herself and future husband Russ! Kim being the one to handle this situation is hypocritical, and if she wanted to no longer be the "other woman" who gets the keys to the castle, she should at least recuse herself on this matter. up until about 30 minutes ago i figured russ was a azz kissing tool who just did a bad job and got away with it, but now i see him for the people's champion and persecuted hero that he is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Russ Brandon be like I am here celebrating like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 16 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said: While I'm sure this will be an unpopular opinion here, both because of Brandon's (some would say deserved) unpopularity amongst the fan base, and because of a rush by SJWs and those afraid to confront them, to assume the guilt of any man accused of misbehavior; before I celebrate steps towards the financial ruin of another human being, I'd like to hear/see the evidence, know how the investigation was conducted, and hear Brandon's side. Until then I stand opposed, on principle. I'd suspect the fact that he lied to Mr. and Mrs. Pegula was the final nail in the coffin. They don't come across as people who put up with liars running their business interests. As for the 'other work-related issues', it will be interesting if it ever comes out. I wonder if he was skimming off the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, ddaryl said: I think you should walk away an dstake a long break. Your posts are just tripe and pathetically stupid. I disagree. I think the substance of his posts are reasonable. If they were patently unreasonable people would challenge his points instead of tossing insults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 26 minutes ago, colin said: they have stopped nothing. kim is still the boss lady because of who she slept with, and maybe this girl who Russ was heroically sexing up wanted the same outcome for herself and future husband Russ! Kim being the one to handle this situation is hypocritical, and if she wanted to no longer be the "other woman" who gets the keys to the castle, she should at least recuse herself on this matter. up until about 30 minutes ago i figured russ was a azz kissing tool who just did a bad job and got away with it, but now i see him for the people's champion and persecuted hero that he is! Well, we disagree on every point here (starting with what "stopped" means and moving on to "hypocritical), but there doesn't seem to be any ack'ing of points and the hyperbole indicates discussion is not likely possible. So I'm out (speaking as a poster) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXBILLSFAN Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 18 minutes ago, BadLandsMeanie said: Gee no. I was going by Kim's account. I didn't just make that stuff up. I will indeed. But what victims? All we got is one supposed relationship here. What is the real story do you know? Ask some of the ardent Brandon supporters to spill the beans, I wish they would instead of protecting him. He didn't resign because of one consensual relationship. The reporting has confirmed "multiple" and "issues" beyond the relationships. If you want to say he had one consensual relationship and we can prove that, then I'm over-reacting, but, sorry, I'm not that naive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 39 minutes ago, colin said: sure, but that's totally hypocritical on behalf of the pegula's, and the badge polishing going on here is laughable. You obviously know the exact details of what Russ did, since you're throwing around comparisons. Why don't you share what you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 3 hours ago, billsfan1959 said: If that was all you were arguing, then I agree, 100%. However, in this thread, and other threads regarding this topic, your posts appear to go beyond the bounds of merely arguing for the presumption of innocence into rants about biological imperatives and third wave feminism / #MeToo - as if (1) men have no ability to control their behavior due to biological underpinnings of human behavior and (2) every allegation of sexual misconduct is nothing more than the product of vengeful feminism. In the end, the tone of your posts sometimes makes you sound very similar to the fringe you are railing against. Yeah, I can see how you might feel that way when someone tries to inject the sanity of the middle ground, which is the presumption of innocence (and yes, I understand this isn't a legal proceeding, and that the Pegula's have every right to force Brandon out of his role), into a loud and robust chorus of "BURN THE WITCH! BURN THE WITCH!" This chorus, indulging when not fully embracing the beliefs of third wave feminists, is celebrating the firing of a man for what appears to be consensual sex with a co-worker. If this is what is now being defined as sexual misconduct, then it should be argued against on moral grounds. The Pegula's, nor any other employer, should feel empowered to dismiss anyone because of what consenting adults they choose to sleep with. It's none of their damn business. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, colin said: they have stopped nothing. kim is still the boss lady because of who she slept with, and maybe this girl who Russ was heroically sexing up wanted the same outcome for herself and future husband Russ! Kim being the one to handle this situation is hypocritical, and if she wanted to no longer be the "other woman" who gets the keys to the castle, she should at least recuse herself on this matter. up until about 30 minutes ago i figured russ was a azz kissing tool who just did a bad job and got away with it, but now i see him for the people's champion and persecuted hero that he is! I love that you're defending him and you have no idea what he even did. He could have made unwanted advances to someone (or multiple people), or his behavior could have caused some issues at work (making a scene in the office, or just inappropriate office behavior in general), or he could have just used inappropriate language for the office. In the end they did an investigation, and when confronted - he basically told them he did nothing wrong. You just draw a parallel to a married couple who met prior to working together in like 1990 - and say that's somehow the same thing. They could have you know, been transparent and openly dating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Rob's House said: I disagree. I think the substance of his posts are reasonable. If they were patently unreasonable people would challenge his points instead of tossing insults. Nothing reasonable about them at all and they have nothing to do with football its a personal politcal crusade move it to a different forum and keep this forum for football topics only. If people want to debate sexism in the work place this forum isnot hte place ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 1 minute ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Yeah, I can see how you might feel that way when someone tries to inject the sanity of the middle ground, which is the presumption of innocence (and yes, I understand this isn't a legal proceeding, and that the Pegula's have every right to force Brandon out of his role), into a loud and robust chorus of "BURN THE WITCH! BURN THE WITCH!" This chorus, indulging when not fully embracing the beliefs of third wave feminists, is celebrating the firing of a man for what appears to be consensual sex with a co-worker. If this is what is now being defined as sexual misconduct, then it should be argued against on moral grounds. The Pegula's, nor any other employer, should feel empowered to dismiss anyone because of what consenting adults they choose to sleep with. It's none of their damn business. What if he did it on company time, or worse - company dime? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 34 minutes ago, eball said: No, what was pathetic was Russ the GM, Russ the snake oil salesman, and Russ the promoter of Whaley and Rex. Only last season -- when Russ was finally and rightfully moved to the sidelines -- did the culture change. I bought into the "Russ doesn't really make football decisions" line of thinking for a good while, until he screwed this franchise over for another two years with the Rex fiasco. Good freaking riddance. Brandon didn't make the Rex hire---the owner did. The same owner who made the McDermott hire. Did Brandon go along with it and make some fawning comments associated with the hire? Yes he did. So what? He was the subordinate who had no authority in the selection. There is a demonization of Brandon that is way out of proportion to his influence in the football operation. Russ Brandon is very influential in the business side of the operation. And he is good at what he does. He has not been involved in the football operation for years. And when he was involved it was because the owner with failing health thrust those responsibilities on him. The Bills have been bad for a long time because of a lot of bad decisions by their owners. Russ Brandon is not the bogeyman that many are making him out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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