dtgolder Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 So everyone's been asking: "Which QB are the Bills interested in?" But I'm wondering if that's too narrow a focus... Could it be that the BIlls are ok with any of the top two, or three, or four QBs? (Or more?). Maybe they truly see a few of them as absolutely equivalent? Would a trade to #5 (for example) be "ok" with Beane et al if either of their top 2 (or 3) QBs were there? Or even staying put at #12 if one of their top 4 "I'd be happy with any of them" were still available? So--are there QBs the Bills would be happy with? And (maybe more importantly) are there any that they would NOT take? (Thinking back--I'm betting anyone would be happy with Kelly, Elway or Marino...so that's kind of the idea). Would love to hear what other folks on the board think.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, dtgolder said: So everyone's been asking: "Which QB are the Bills interested in?" But I'm wondering if that's too narrow a focus... Could it be that the BIlls are ok with any of the top two, or three, or four QBs? (Or more?). Maybe they truly see a few of them as absolutely equivalent? Would a trade to #5 (for example) be "ok" with Beane et al if either of their top 2 (or 3) QBs were there? Or even staying put at #12 if one of their top 4 "I'd be happy with any of them" were still available? So--are there QBs the Bills would be happy with? And (maybe more importantly) are there any that they would NOT take? (Thinking back--I'm betting anyone would be happy with Kelly, Elway or Marino...so that's kind of the idea). Would love to hear what other folks on the board think.... Elway won 2 Superbowls, Kelly went to 4 Superbowls (in a row), Marino zero. there are differences, even if subtle. Edited April 7, 2018 by Foxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 Just now, Foxx said: Elway won 2 Superbowls, Kelly went to 4 Superbowls (in a row), Marino zero. there are differences, even if subtle. Marino played in one Super Bowl 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 Just now, Boatdrinks said: Marino played in one Super Bowl Facts never should stop irrational rants. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Marino played in one Super Bowl my bad, correct. Just now, Limeaid said: Facts never should stop irrational rants. irrational? lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 Jesus Christ can we just draft a freakin QB already.... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 19 minutes ago, Foxx said: Elway won 2 Superbowls, Kelly went to 4 Superbowls (in a row), Marino zero. there are differences, even if subtle. Tony Eason was in one as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 17 minutes ago, Foxx said: Elway won 2 Superbowls, Kelly went to 4 Superbowls (in a row), Marino zero. there are differences, even if subtle. That doesn't tell the whole story. Tony Blackledge was drafted 7 spots before Kelly and Tony Eason 12 spots before Marino and Ken O'brien 3 spots before Marino. The point is QB's never pan out in the order they were drafted. The likelihood of more than one QB drafted lower than one or more will turn out better. There's a big element of luck involved but it's precisely why the premise of liking several the same (said by OP) is foolish and also why if they decide to go with Rudolph for example - fans should understand a QB or two will be better than their draft order. We fans have opinion but know very very little. No choice but to hope they get it right and not get all nuts if it's not what we individually want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 6 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said: Tony Eason was in one as well. So did Rex Grossman. Dilfer and Brad Johnson won Superbowls. 25 minutes ago, Foxx said: Elway won 2 Superbowls, Kelly went to 4 Superbowls (in a row), Marino zero. there are differences, even if subtle. Yes, there are differences. Your examples of why are completely off the mark though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 28 minutes ago, dtgolder said: So everyone's been asking: "Which QB are the Bills interested in?" But I'm wondering if that's too narrow a focus... Could it be that the BIlls are ok with any of the top two, or three, or four QBs? (Or more?). Maybe they truly see a few of them as absolutely equivalent? Would a trade to #5 (for example) be "ok" with Beane et al if either of their top 2 (or 3) QBs were there? Or even staying put at #12 if one of their top 4 "I'd be happy with any of them" were still available? So--are there QBs the Bills would be happy with? And (maybe more importantly) are there any that they would NOT take? (Thinking back--I'm betting anyone would be happy with Kelly, Elway or Marino...so that's kind of the idea). Would love to hear what other folks on the board think.... I think Mr Beane is the person you need to ask. There hasn't been much that would really even let someone speculate either - although they will anywah. Maybe that's what you were after though! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: So did Rex Grossman. Dilfer and Brad Johnson won Superbowls. Yes, there are differences. Your examples of why are completely off the mark though. They're talking about the 83 draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryland-bills-fan Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 44 minutes ago, Foxx said: my bad, correct. irrational? lol. Rational is way over rated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: They're talking about the 83 draft. My bad. Just saying that saying one QB went to more Superbowls as to why there are differences isn't really a great way to do it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 I don't believe that the Bills are "okay" with more than 1 QB at any specific draft slot because they have all the QBs in a definite rank order. I think they have only 1 QB they're willing to trade up to get. If they don't trade up to get that QB and he were to fall to #12, they would still take him over whomever they had slotted as the QB they would take at #12 because they believe he's a better prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPbillsfan Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Boatdrinks said: Marino played in one Super Bowl 9 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: My bad. Just saying that saying one QB went to more Superbowls as to why there are differences isn't really a great way to do it. If the Bills had drafted Marino instead of Kelly many of the dynamics change. Marino comes in, starts, Bills win more, don't have the ability to draft the players they do in 1985, so we don't get Bruce or Andre and we don't go to 4 Super Bowls. Kelly comes in with pieces in place and is one of the final pieces with Steve Tasker, Shane Conla, Biscuit, Odems, Tasker and Thurman finish the mix. My point is this, a franchise QB with a less then stellar cast around him isn't in a position to succeed. Build the team, then get the QB as the final piece to the puzzle. My solution is ensure you get Lamar Jackson, hopefully at 12, or trade up maybe to 9, keep most of our draft capital and make the roster more solid, develop Jackson, add the final pieces in 2019 free agency and draft and be a serious contender in 2019. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 7 minutes ago, RPbillsfan said: If the Bills had drafted Marino instead of Kelly many of the dynamics change. Marino comes in, starts, Bills win more, don't have the ability to draft the players they do in 1985, so we don't get Bruce or Andre and we don't go to 4 Super Bowls. Kelly comes in with pieces in place and is one of the final pieces with Steve Tasker, Shane Conla, Biscuit, Odems, Tasker and Thurman finish the mix. My point is this, a franchise QB with a less then stellar cast around him isn't in a position to succeed. Build the team, then get the QB as the final piece to the puzzle. My solution is ensure you get Lamar Jackson, hopefully at 12, or trade up maybe to 9, keep most of our draft capital and make the roster more solid, develop Jackson, add the final pieces in 2019 free agency and draft and be a serious contender in 2019. Tasker twice is cool; he rarely gets credit at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 20 minutes ago, RPbillsfan said: If the Bills had drafted Marino instead of Kelly many of the dynamics change. Marino comes in, starts, Bills win more, don't have the ability to draft the players they do in 1985, so we don't get Bruce or Andre and we don't go to 4 Super Bowls. Kelly comes in with pieces in place and is one of the final pieces with Steve Tasker, Shane Conla, Biscuit, Odems, Tasker and Thurman finish the mix. My point is this, a franchise QB with a less then stellar cast around him isn't in a position to succeed. Build the team, then get the QB as the final piece to the puzzle. My solution is ensure you get Lamar Jackson, hopefully at 12, or trade up maybe to 9, keep most of our draft capital and make the roster more solid, develop Jackson, add the final pieces in 2019 free agency and draft and be a serious contender in 2019. If we draft well keeping all our picks we'd have a great young team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: Jesus Christ can we just draft a freakin QB already.... Even when the Bills get their QB the madness won't stop. Because many posters don't just want the Bills to get a QB; they want the Bills to get the QB they want them to pick or the pick doesn't mean anything to them. Even if the QB the Bills pick is the guy they vetted and wanted. Fun times on the way... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 1 hour ago, White Linen said: That doesn't tell the whole story. Tony Blackledge was drafted 7 spots before Kelly and Tony Eason 12 spots before Marino and Ken O'brien 3 spots before Marino. The point is QB's never pan out in the order they were drafted. The likelihood of more than one QB drafted lower than one or more will turn out better. There's a big element of luck involved but it's precisely why the premise of liking several the same (said by OP) is foolish and also why if they decide to go with Rudolph for example - fans should understand a QB or two will be better than their draft order. We fans have opinion but know very very little. No choice but to hope they get it right and not get all nuts if it's not what we individually want. Your post count indicates that you've been around long enough to know that's not the way things work around here. Rational thought has no place on this board at this time of year. 5 minutes ago, purple haze said: Even when the Bills get their QB the madness won't stop. Because many posters don't just want the Bills to get a QB; they want the Bills to get the QB they want them to pick or the pick doesn't mean anything to them. Even if the QB the Bills pick is the guy they vetted and wanted. Fun times on the way... Now here is a guy who gets it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: Jesus Christ can we just draft a freakin QB already.... There is zero difficulty with drafting a QB. They're all over the place. The problem is getting a good one. That's a more refined problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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