QCity Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) If he would have drafted Russell Wilson he might still be GM. But he didn't. Another guy that's basically a decent scout but has no business in the GM position. Edited March 23, 2018 by QCity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) Who signed Fitzpatrick to a contract mid season and then wanted him to renegotiate for less at the end of the season? That alone made him look foolish. And there is the drafting TJ Graham when Russell Wilson was there. Edited March 23, 2018 by bmur66 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 How do you figure with Levy & Brandon the amount of games were 32 each with Buddy he had 32 alone in the loss column which is a unfair comparison how many losses did Buddy have in just his first 32 game stretch that would be more accurate !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 9 hours ago, Gugny said: Have the Bills ever had a good GM? Seriously. I think Beane MIGHT be the first. I also think Whaley was the closest to good that this team has ever had. This has to be a "gag" posting; if not oh boy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Just now, vorpma said: This has to be a "gag" posting; if not oh boy! Partially. Obviously, Butler was awesome - the best Buffalo has ever had, IMO. I do consider Whaley to be the 2nd best GM we've ever had. Yes - he failed at finding us a QB (most GMs do) - but his real "crime" was hanging onto EJ for too long; not drafting him. Polian, to me, was 3rd. Levy - not only the worst GM Buffalo ever had, but possibly the worst GM in NFL history. I am all in on Beane. I think he's going to be a fantastic GM and I hope he's with Buffalo for decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Good god man! One of Buddy Nix's first statements as GM he said "we're not that far away" and the team then proceeded to go 4-12 with an eight-game losing streak to open that 2010 season. The team had enough talent to win games they just were devoid of quality coaching and a GM who knew what he was doing. Anyone else recall one of his first signings to fix the offensive line was Cornell Green at RT and he lasted a few games. I swear that a drunken Bills fan could have been more effective at RT by just falling over to obstruct the defensive player's ability to move towards the QB. Nix's ideas on offensive linemen were ridiculous in that he thought any tackle could play OG and that any big bodied 300lb, 6'+ person could be an offensive lineman. To put it delicately the man was a moron! He couldn't identify quality talent if they came up and kicked him in his arse. Look at his first draft by selecting CJ Spiller a "waterbug" that Chan Gailey wanted instead of a sorely needed offensive tackle. So After taking over for Trent Edwards who was released outright after three starts in three games. QB Ryan Fitzpatrick proceeded to run for his life for the next five games, literally. No other player in his first draft (2010)was worth a damn save Arthur Moats a 6th round pick at LB who was never really a full-time starter in Buffalo. Yes, Nix managed to lure Mario Williams into Buffalo and gave him 100 million dollars to play defensive end mostly because he was so inept at drafting he couldn't identify quality pass rushing talent in the draft. He missed on JPP, JJ Watt among other talents. I could go on and on but I would just be wasting my time talking about someone who should have never been a Buffalo Bills GM. A 70-year-old retired head scout. Marv Levy, Russ Brandon shouldn't have been GM's either. Just be grateful we Bills fans now have a real GM along with a decent head coach that isn't going to be micromanaged by the owner. Any mistakes they make or if they fail at least we Bills fans know that real NFL people qualified to do the job gave it their best shot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlottebillsfan2 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 We're on to next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) I wonder what other names were on the dart board that fateful day Edited March 23, 2018 by JMF2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted March 23, 2018 Author Share Posted March 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, Nihilarian said: Good god man! One of Buddy Nix's first statements as GM he said "we're not that far away" and the team then proceeded to go 4-12 with an eight-game losing streak to open that 2010 season. The team had enough talent to win games they just were devoid of quality coaching and a GM who knew what he was doing. Anyone else recall one of his first signings to fix the offensive line was Cornell Green at RT and he lasted a few games. I swear that a drunken Bills fan could have been more effective at RT by just falling over to obstruct the defensive player's ability to move towards the QB. Nix's ideas on offensive linemen were ridiculous in that he thought any tackle could play OG and that any big bodied 300lb, 6'+ person could be an offensive lineman. To put it delicately the man was a moron! He couldn't identify quality talent if they came up and kicked him in his arse. Look at his first draft by selecting CJ Spiller a "waterbug" that Chan Gailey wanted instead of a sorely needed offensive tackle. So After taking over for Trent Edwards who was released outright after three starts in three games. QB Ryan Fitzpatrick proceeded to run for his life for the next five games, literally. No other player in his first draft (2010)was worth a damn save Arthur Moats a 6th round pick at LB who was never really a full-time starter in Buffalo. Yes, Nix managed to lure Mario Williams into Buffalo and gave him 100 million dollars to play defensive end mostly because he was so inept at drafting he couldn't identify quality pass rushing talent in the draft. He missed on JPP, JJ Watt among other talents. I could go on and on but I would just be wasting my time talking about someone who should have never been a Buffalo Bills GM. A 70-year-old retired head scout. Marv Levy, Russ Brandon shouldn't have been GM's either. Just be grateful we Bills fans now have a real GM along with a decent head coach that isn't going to be micromanaged by the owner. Any mistakes they make or if they fail at least we Bills fans know that real NFL people qualified to do the job gave it their best shot. This is a pretty good take, not so sure I’d call him a “moron” but I don’t think he was an effective GM. You never even discussed how his manhandled the QB position. I’m still very shocked to see people defend him and believe he did a good job. I think the record speaks for itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 9 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: If you look at the rosters pre Nix and When he retired i think you will see that he added a lot of talent to the roster we had GMs like Marv Levy who sucked and Russ Brandon. We didn't field an NFL line backing core He added a lot of talent to make our defense very Good If you look at how Nix operated and how the McBeane regime is operating you can see the clear difference between operating in a tactical way versus a strategic way. The level of thought and analysis under Nix was simply old school. You and others have made the point that he added talent to the roster. That's the problem. He was upgrading the roster and not building a team. There's a substantial difference. Ultimately the measure of success is simple: What was the record. The old world owner selected an old world GM while the rest of the league moved on to the new world of analytics. Buddy was a good guy. One can easily make the argument that he was better than what we previously had. It wasn't good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Gugny said: Partially. Obviously, Butler was awesome - the best Buffalo has ever had, IMO. I do consider Whaley to be the 2nd best GM we've ever had. Yes - he failed at finding us a QB (most GMs do) - but his real "crime" was hanging onto EJ for too long; not drafting him. Polian, to me, was 3rd. Levy - not only the worst GM Buffalo ever had, but possibly the worst GM in NFL history. I am all in on Beane. I think he's going to be a fantastic GM and I hope he's with Buffalo for decades. Doug Whaley over Bill Polian, how can you possibly come to that conclusion, again, this is a gag post! If not, whatever your smoking I want to try! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, vorpma said: Doug Whaley over Bill Polian, how can you possibly come to that conclusion, again, this is a gag post! If not, whatever your smoking I want to try! Outside of QB, Whaley brought in a ton of talent on both sides of the ball and also built a top 5 defense. When the Pegulas end-arounded him and hired Rex Ryan, it effectively undid everything he'd done. They ruined his career (likely permanently) and this team (temporarily). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 31 minutes ago, Gugny said: Outside of QB, Whaley brought in a ton of talent on both sides of the ball and also built a top 5 defense. When the Pegulas end-arounded him and hired Rex Ryan, it effectively undid everything he'd done. They ruined his career (likely permanently) and this team (temporarily). He did NOT/NOT build a winning organization - the Bottom line!! The Bills built a winning team (73 - 76) in the 1970's, BFD! How many playoff wins did they get - the players DW brought in were good football players, but not winners! Get over it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted March 23, 2018 Author Share Posted March 23, 2018 1 hour ago, vorpma said: He did NOT/NOT build a winning organization - the Bottom line!! The Bills built a winning team (73 - 76) in the 1970's, BFD! How many playoff wins did they get - the players DW brought in were good football players, but not winners! Get over it! The amount of love for Doug Whaley is unbelievable among Bills fans. He is single handedly the most polarizing individual in Bills history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 2 hours ago, JohnC said: If you look at how Nix operated and how the McBeane regime is operating you can see the clear difference between operating in a tactical way versus a strategic way. The level of thought and analysis under Nix was simply old school. You and others have made the point that he added talent to the roster. That's the problem. He was upgrading the roster and not building a team. There's a substantial difference. Ultimately the measure of success is simple: What was the record. The old world owner selected an old world GM while the rest of the league moved on to the new world of analytics. Buddy was a good guy. One can easily make the argument that he was better than what we previously had. It wasn't good enough. I never once said he was a good or successful GM... i said he starting bringing in legitimate NFL talent, that's all he obviously never built a winning team while he was here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) Yeah, overall Nix was good. He put together a very good overall roster, with a lot of depth. He was responsible for bringing in almost everyone who formed the defense in Whaley's first year, a really really good defense. A good football guy who worked well with scouts. But his legacy was greatly hurt by the two things which lasted the longest and always looked to be what his reputation would be based on. He didn't find a QB and he brought in Whaley as his heir apparent. Both huge holes in his resume, and the two things that have had the longest lasting impact. Edited March 23, 2018 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 23 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said: The amount of love for Doug Whaley is unbelievable among Bills fans. He is single handedly the most polarizing individual in Bills history. I cannot figure that out, he drafted horribly and did NOT/NOT get it done; the organizational culture he left behind horrendous! The Marv Levy (GM), Buddy Nix, and Doug Whaley the most damaging and unproductive era in the teams history. Yet he has this thing for Bill Polian who built not only a winning team - but a winning culture, go figure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) Brandon, Nix and Whaley are the main reasons this franchise went through 17 years of hell. Their are a few posters on this message board that I would rather have as a GM than those 3 guys. Edited March 23, 2018 by Call_Of_Ktulu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 No, he was not good, but better than Whaley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 2 hours ago, Gugny said: Outside of QB, Whaley brought in a ton of talent on both sides of the ball and also built a top 5 defense. When the Pegulas end-arounded him and hired Rex Ryan, it effectively undid everything he'd done. They ruined his career (likely permanently) and this team (temporarily). Take a look at the starters on that top five defense that Whaley "built." How many of the starters were brought in after Whaley became GM. Whaley became GM on May 16th, 2013. The 2014 team was the one that had the 4th ranked defense. Here were the starters and how they were brought to Buffalo: Jerry Hughes - Nix trade Mario Williams - Nix FA Marcell Dareus - Nix draft Nigel Bradham - Nix draft Stephon Gilmore - Nix draft Aaron Williams - Nix draft Da'Norris Searcy - Nix draft Robey (slot corner) - Nix UDFA Kyle Williams - pre-Nix draft Leodis McKelvin - pre-Nix draft Corey Graham - Whaley FA Brandon Spikes - Whaley FA Preston Brown - Whaley draft Whaley "built" that defense? Please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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