ALF Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said: You only have one real need... QB. Philip Rivers might disagree . Still the Bills have to try for the best QB within reason in this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Boca BIlls said: If the Jets get the QB they want than they didnt do anything wrong. And if it doesn't pan out at least they took a shot, right? I mean their roster is soooo strong they didn't really need those premium picks for other positions, right? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 19, 2018 Author Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) I get what people are saying, but when you trade away Tyrod Taylor and are left with Peterman you would think there was a plan to add a legit starting QB. Instead they let everyone else sign QB's and got the backup with upside on the cheap. This offseason was going well until they failed to get a starting QB. The Bills didn't have the guts to pull the trigger on anything. Visions of Darcy Regier for the Sabres. Edited March 19, 2018 by TheTruthHurts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 45 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: I'm not exactly sure why. They ended up getting AJ McCarron on the cheap. They stayed away from big money free agency. They allowed a division rival to trade up for a franchise QB. The question is why? Maybe they will have a presser where he’s on his knees begging to let other teams pass on QBs so he can have his choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said: Already proven they cant. Ummmmm, there's a rush to judgment.... Here's a link to of QBs who've had rough starts that turned out pretty well... http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000445192/article/troy-aikman-peyton-manning-among-qbs-with-bad-first-starts Peterman is probably a career back-up and may never amount to much in the NFL, but already calling him a failure at this point - by indicating the Bills "can't" win with him as a QB is so incredibly premature, even the 12 yr old boy hyped up Viagra can't believe it.... Edited March 19, 2018 by BigBuff423 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Maybe because he more than anyone else in the league has the inside track on the Giants with his ex boss being there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 7 minutes ago, ALF said: Philip Rivers might disagree . Still the Bills have to try for the best QB within reason in this draft. The Bill's already had a guy that knew how to screw games up at the end his name is Fitzpatrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) The Jets are desperate and it shows. They just traded a ton of draft capital to take the third QB off the board in this year's draft. They have no idea who is even going to be there. It's not like they have targeted their guy, they are willing to take anyone. That's desperate. I'd rather wait like Beane is doing and see how the draft shakes out, then make a move that makes sense when you actually know who is left on the board. Do I wish we still had the 3 pick open for us to trade into? Absolutely. Would I want Beane to expend a bunch of valuable draft capital and trade into it right now before knowing who they are going to target and whether or not that QB(s) is going to be there at 3? No way. Edited March 19, 2018 by Inigo Montoya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: And if it doesn't pan out at least they took a shot, right? I mean their roster is soooo strong they didn't really need those premium picks for other positions, right? You act like they wont ever draft again after this year... Funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 19, 2018 Author Share Posted March 19, 2018 Just now, GunnerBill said: Maybe because he more than anyone else in the league has the inside track on the Giants with his ex boss being there? The Giants aren't doing us any favors. But yes that pick could become available. My only hope is the Giants told the Bills to get inside the top 10 and then we'll talk. Beane can't really get inside the top 10 until draft day. I'm just having a hard time believing the Giants will do us any favors. Maybe they feel they can get a better deal on draft day from the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 8 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: And if it doesn't pan out at least they took a shot, right? I mean their roster is soooo strong they didn't really need those premium picks for other positions, right? If it doesn't pan out the coach is out of a job if they don't get a QB that coach is out of a job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 50 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: I'm not exactly sure why. They ended up getting AJ McCarron on the cheap. They stayed away from big money free agency. They allowed a division rival to trade up for a franchise QB. The question is why? As far as FA goes They probably would have been interested in Cousins and the others got way more money than they are worth and none are guys you woudl want as a franchise guy. They got the guy that is most intriguing to me in McCarron since we don't know what he is. The Browns were willing to trade a 2 and 3 for him half a season ago. They have been acting desperate for a QB when it comes to the draft, that has been since day 1 when Beane took over. They dont say it publicly but its obvious what they were trying to do in the draft. Unfortunately it may not work out for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said: You act like they wont ever draft again after this year... Funny. Sure they will, that's obvious. And if they hit it may be well worth it. But if you think Beane is jumping off a cliff like the Jets GM did then you're not really paying attention to his method of team building are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) Look at this roster and you tell me if we can afford to do what the Jets did and give away a boat load of picks for 1 guy. I say stay at 12 and take a QB like Mason Rudolph. Quote Active # Name Pos. Ht. Wt. Age Exp. College 57 Alexander, Lorenzo LB 6-1 245 34 11 California 13 Benjamin, Kelvin WR 6-5 245 27 4 Florida State 41 Borders, Breon CB 6-0 189 22 R Duke 19 Bray, Quan WR 5-10 183 24 3 Auburn Bush, Rafael S 5-11 203 30 8 South Carolina State 39 Cadet, Travaris RB 6-1 210 29 6 Appalachian State 75 Capi, Cap DE 6-3 249 25 1 Akron 7 Carter, Cory P 5-11 220 24 1 Texas Southern 85 Clay, Charles TE 6-3 255 29 7 Tulsa 80 Croom, Jason TE 6-4 246 24 R Tennessee 56 Davis, Ryan DE 6-2 260 29 6 Bethune-Cookman Davis, Vontae CB 5-11 207 29 9 Illinois 73 Dawkins, Dion T 6-5 320 23 R Temple 42 DiMarco, Patrick FB 6-1 234 28 6 South Carolina 62 Ducasse, Vladimir G 6-5 329 30 8 Massachusetts 16 Dupre, Malachi WR 6-2 196 22 R LSU 69 Ferguson, Reid LS 6-2 244 23 1 LSU 36 Green, Aaron RB 5-11 206 25 1 Texas Christian 72 Groy, Ryan G 6-5 320 27 4 Wisconsin 94 Hatley, Rickey DT 6-4 320 23 R Missouri 4 Hauschka, Stephen K 6-4 210 32 10 North Carolina State 18 Holmes, Andre WR 6-4 210 29 6 Hillsdale 55 Hughes, Jerry DE 6-2 254 29 8 Texas Christian 23 Hyde, Micah S 6-0 197 27 5 Iowa 64 Incognito, Richie G 6-4 322 34 11 Nebraska Ivory, Chris RB 6-0 223 29 9 Tiffin University 61 James, Josh OT 6-5 314 24 1 Carroll (Mont.) 26 Jones, Taiwan RB 6-0 195 29 6 Eastern Washington 11 Jones, Zay WR 6-2 200 22 R East Carolina 44 Lacey, Deon LB 6-3 235 27 1 West Alabama 90 Lawson, Shaq DE 6-3 267 23 2 Clemson 88 Lee, Khari TE 6-4 253 26 3 Bowie State 97 Lewis, Marquavius DE 6-3 270 25 R South Carolina Lotulelei, Star DT 6-2 315 28 6 Utah 31 Marlowe, Dean S 6-1 208 25 2 James Madison McCarron, AJ QB 6-3 215 27 4 Alabama 25 McCoy, LeSean RB 5-11 210 29 9 Pittsburgh McCray, Kelcie S 6-2 202 Arkansas State McCray, L.J. DB 6-0 204 26 3 Catawba 68 McDermott, Conor T 6-8 305 25 R UCLA 58 Milano, Matt LB 6-0 223 23 R Boston College 76 Miller, John G 6-3 315 24 3 Louisville 79 Mills, Jordan T 6-5 316 27 5 Louisiana Tech 45 Murphy, Marcus RB 5-8 193 26 3 Missouri Murphy, Trent DE 6-6 259 27 5 Stanford 84 O'Leary, Nick TE 6-3 252 25 2 Florida State Odighizuwa, Owa DE 6-4 264 25 3 UCLA 2 Peterman, Nathan QB 6-2 225 23 R Pittsburgh 30 Pitts, Lafayette CB 5-11 195 25 2 Pittsburgh 21 Poyer, Jordan S 6-0 191 26 5 Oregon State 60 Redmond, Adam C 6-6 300 24 1 Harvard 89 Reilly, Brandon WR 6-2 200 24 R Nebraska 6 Schmidt, Colton P 5-11 224 27 4 California-Davis Stanford, Julian LB 6-1 230 27 5 Wagner Streater, Rod WR 6-3 200 30 6 Temple 82 Thomas, Logan TE 6-6 250 26 3 Virginia Tech 89 Towbridge, Keith TE 6-5 262 22 R Louisville 40 Vallejo, Tanner LB 6-1 228 23 R Boise State 92 Washington, Adolphus DT 6-4 295 23 2 Ohio State 74 Wesley, De'Ondre T 6-6 331 25 3 Brigham Young 27 White, Tre'Davious CB 5-11 192 23 R LSU 95 Williams, Kyle DT 6-1 303 34 12 LSU 70 Wood, Eric C 6-4 310 32 9 Louisville 53 Woodson-Luster, Xavier LB 6-1 219 22 Arkansas State 54 Yarbrough, Eddie DE 6-3 259 24 1 Wyoming Edited March 19, 2018 by PIZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 7 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: The Giants aren't doing us any favors. But yes that pick could become available. My only hope is the Giants told the Bills to get inside the top 10 and then we'll talk. Beane can't really get inside the top 10 until draft day. I'm just having a hard time believing the Giants will do us any favors. Maybe they feel they can get a better deal on draft day from the Bills. Not that they will do us favours... but that we very likely have a better sense of their thinking (what they are doing with the pick, what it would take to buy it) than anyone else. If there is a deal to be done with the Giants Beane more than anyone else in the league is best placed to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Or how about the Bills dont take the leftovers and go after the guy they want. 7 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: Sure they will, that's obvious. And if they hit it may be well worth it. But if you think Beane is jumping off a cliff like the Jets GM did then you're not really paying attention to his method of team building are you? His method is do what needs tk be done to ensure he has a job. That includes getting a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 16 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: I get what people are saying, but when you trade away Tyrod Taylor and are left with Peterman you would think there was a plan to add a legit starting QB. Instead they let everyone else sign QB's and got the backup with upside on the cheap. This offseason was going well until they failed to get a starting QB. The Bills didn't have the guts to pull the trigger on anything. Visions of Darcy Regier for the Sabres. 1 If you believe this is true, then, IMO, you have completely misinterpreted the personalities and actions of Beane and McDermott... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodneykm Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 26 minutes ago, PIZ said: Lots of people praising the Jets for doing the opposite, but what the Jets did was out of desperation, reckless, and stupid. Trading up 40 + days before the draft, is stupid. Beane and company are doing it the way you need to do it. Patience. The Jets move has "ownership involvement" written all over it to me. I dont think it was stupid. The Jets knew the Bills were in the market and had the picks to get to the 3 spot. I'd imagine it came down to either making the move early or allowing Buffalo to jump into that 3 spot and take the guy they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said: Or how about the Bills dont take the leftovers and go after the guy they want. His method is do what needs tk be done to ensure he has a job. That includes getting a QB. Outside of overpaying Star he's been aces since taking the helm. Shedding bad contracts, acquiring premium picks, creating cap space and comp picks for next season. I find it hard to believe his job would be in jeopardy if he decided to address holes in the roster and hold off on a QB. But yes, if he feels there is a "can't miss" QB prospect then he will do what he must. Everyone is assuming that to get his "guy" they have to get the #2. Who's to say the guy he wants is not there at 12 or later? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 19, 2018 Author Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: If you believe this is true, then, IMO, you have completely misinterpreted the personalities and actions of Beane and McDermott... McDermott and Beane have shown to be good at trading away talent and adding draft capital. Are they capable of doing whatever it takes to get a franchise QB? That remains to be seen. So far no. Passing on Watson looks even worse today. Edited March 19, 2018 by TheTruthHurts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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