Call_Of_Ktulu Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: MLB is nothing w/o DTs to keep him clean and Carolina would be trash without Newton. My question would be what is easier to draft? A space eating DT or a MLB that can drop into coverage, fill running lanes and pressure the QB. Edited March 18, 2018 by Call_Of_Ktulu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 16 minutes ago, WhoTom said: I'm sure they did their homework well in advance. The messages to Hue Jackson and McCarron's former coaches came at the last minute because Beane didn't want to tip his hand to other teams. He did the research with no other teams knowing his plan, and then made a last minute check of other coaches just to see if there was a glaring reason not to pull the trigger on the deal. "Not chess, Spock - poker." James T. Kirk One of my most favorite Star Trek quotes ever. Just like Spock's response to Bailey about his adrenaline gland. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: My question would be what is easier to draft? A space eating DT or a MLB that can drop into coverage, fill runnng lanes and pressure the QB. I know it was rhetorical, but, I will answer in a landslide..space eating DT is easier to acquire than the all purpose, talent, 3 down MLB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perk71 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 hour ago, BadLandsMeanie said: Well, I went to find the quotes (pasted below) because I thought you must have had it wrong. But I think you have maybe caught Beane on something. Doing homework and being slow and methodical doesn't go along very well with saying he talked to guys a day or two before he signed him. To me that sounds terrible. I hope there is more to the story. Anyway good job spotting that Bills. "We did our homework on all these guys, we looked at a lot of different areas, we took it slow,” Beane said. “I know everyone was jumping on guys quick, but I went with the more methodical, let’s make the right decision (approach) and not get into chase mode.” Beane said he spoke to Browns coach Hue Jackson on Tuesday night about McCarron, whom he had coached while serving as offensive coordinator in Cincinnati. Remember, Jackson wanted the Browns to acquire McCarron at the trading deadline in October and would have had him if not for an “only-the-Browns” type of clerical error. Beane also texted with two other coaches who’d worked with McCarron to get a feel for who he is." "I actually spoke to Hue Jackson the night before we signed [McCarron], texted with two other coaches of his that I know,'' Bills general manager Brandon Beane said in a Friday press conference, according to Cleveland.com's Mary Kay Cabot. "And the one word they told me about AJ that got me fired up was 'competitor' and I love that." It looks like he called the night before to make sure. The final check, so to speak. Of course, this is just IMHO. Go BILLS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 12 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: We are talking Cleveland, lol. They aren’t known for making great personnel decisions. That whole situation was a disaster. I feel pretty strongly that they pulled the plug on it. They couldn’t trade more for McCarron than SF for Jimmy G. Tyrod makes a lot lot of sense for them. They need to win some games and now. They will be much better this year. They may not be great but will take steps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: My question would be what is easier to draft? A space eating DT or a MLB that can drop into coverage, fill runnng lanes and pressure the QB. Neither is overly difficult to find, but success of a MLB is predicated on having good DTs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perk71 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 28 minutes ago, Sweats said: I think there’s going to be an awfully lot of disappointed fans when we stay with our #12 pick. I'm probably in the minority, but I'm ok with it. I'm not a GM tho, so what do I know. I'm just a fan of 30 years (I know that's nothing compared to some long time fans on here). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 24 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Is it? They could have had AJ for roughly $5M a year and kept pick 65. They are paying Tyrod $16M and gave pick 65. I know that they tried to trade for AJ but they had the common sense to pull the plug. First I have to ask. When was the last time the Browns made the right move at QB? If they wanted AJ last season they should have gone for it and found a way to get it done. They failed. Saying AJ won’t be any good is disingenuous. Agree or disagree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sky Diver said: But you want to give up the draft board for Darnold or Rosen? Yes, because I believe their long term potential is better than Dak’s. They might turn out to be busts, but they have all the tools. A team who hasn’t had a legit QB since Kelly should be willing to give up a lot for those guys. Edited March 18, 2018 by DriveFor1Outta5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 39 minutes ago, Manther said: Most folks say 300+ yards/game is good. So, 250 isn't pedestrian. I would think 250 yards/game would be average. Merriam-Webster defines pedestrian as commonplace which could be considered a synonym to average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 20 minutes ago, Manther said: For those of you who don't know what disingenuous means just as I didn't........ not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does. Or pretending one knows more than one actually does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 24 minutes ago, Manther said: Or maybe it just happened that Cleveland was the only team that would trade an asset for TT and we were luckily able to double down? ^ This. Who, other than the Browns, would trade a 3rd round pick for TT? I was thinking a 5th would be lucky, but most teams would just wait for him to be cut, and if they missed out, no big deal. We got really lucky on that one. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said: Yes, because I believe in their long term potential better than Dak’s. They might turn out to be busts, but they have all the tools. A team who hasn’t had a legit QB since Kelly should be willing to give up a lot for those guys. Readily conceding that they "might turn out to be busts" is hardly encouraging and a poor opener for a sales pitch to someone you want to trade the farm for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Merriam-Webster defines pedestrian as commonplace which could be considered a synonym to average. Sweet, thanks, I learned something!! I thought Pedestrian meant below average.......nice, I just won Sunday! EDIT: I we all no how hard it is to win a Sunday! PS. Winning is hard in the NFL Edited March 19, 2018 by Manther Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, WhoTom said: ^ This. Who, other than the Browns, would trade a 3rd round pick for TT? I was thinking a 5th would be lucky, but most teams would just wait for him to be cut, and if they missed out, no big deal. We got really lucky on that one. IIRC, the Cardinals offered a 4th and there may have been one other team that made an offer. Edited March 19, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Readily conceding that they "might turn out to be busts" is hardly encouraging and a poor opener for a sales pitch to someone you want to trade the farm for. You can’t guarantee anything in football or life. That should go without saying. Just because something could fail, doesn’t mean you don’t give it a try. If that’s how we all lived our lives, we’d be doing nothing. That’s why this team has been stuck in mediocrity for almost two decades. The Buffalo Bills are a nationally irrelevant football team. What is there to be afraid of by selling the farm? Is it losing our illustrious .500 record? Edited March 19, 2018 by DriveFor1Outta5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, WhoTom said: ^ This. Who, other than the Browns, would trade a 3rd round pick for TT? I was thinking a 5th would be lucky, but most teams would just wait for him to be cut, and if they missed out, no big deal. We got really lucky on that one. I also though at 5th would be lucky and a 7th would be possible (50 fifty). A 3rd was MAGIC! 4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: IIRC, the Cardinals offered a 4th and there may have been one other team that made an offer. What is IIRC? Where did you hear that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Manther said: I also though at 5th would be lucky and a 7th would be possible (50 fifty). A 3rd was MAGIC! What is IIRC? Where did you hear that? IIRC is If I recall correctly. I can't remember where, but ARZ and another team made offers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: First I have to ask. When was the last time the Browns made the right move at QB? If they wanted AJ last season they should have gone for it and found a way to get it done. They failed. Saying AJ won’t be any good is disingenuous. Agree or disagree? Who said AJ won’t be good? He looks to be a guy with some upside and is at least an okay player. It was a smart move for the Bills. They got him for a fraction of the price others paid for bridge QBs. I responded to a post saying that they chose Tyrod over him was disingenuous. It is tough to make that case. They had options. The Browns rarely do anything right. Tyrod makes a ton of sense for them. He’s going to win at least 6 games. They are 1-31 the last 2 years. They didn’t need another guy that is a mystery. They needed someone with a resume. They made a deal for McCarron but “didn’t send in the paperwork” in time. I think that someone put a stop to it and that was the convenient excuse. Edited March 19, 2018 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: IIRC is If I recall correctly. I can't remember where, but ARZ and another team made offers. Nice! Thanks, that makes sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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