terrytate Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 On 3/18/2018 at 2:51 PM, CuddyDark said: Months before. Months. Go google it. Expand How many qb's in college do you think can throw it 60 mph? Not many and those who can are automatically at the top of any prospects list to scout. Not surprising to see wentz up there. he got there on his physical abilities not his college performance.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) On 3/18/2018 at 2:46 PM, Mr. WEO said: You didn't answer my question. You keep restating the result we all saw. Foles isn't a guy off the street by the way. He had success with a very different Eagles teams several years ago. Expand I don’t understand the question then. Is wentz good- seemed like it till he blew out his knee and became a cheerleader did the eagles win the championship- yes did Wentz have something to do with it- partially was it worth the future collateral they traded- TBD Would wentz have won the Super Bowl- don’t know Will he be able to carry the team once they shed talent without the replenishing picks- unknown There is no conclusion on wentz. His story isn’t yet written. He made some nice plays. He’s not won a playoff game in two seasons as a pro despite being a #2 overall. Same is true of #1 Foles. maybe the gotta trade into the top 5 crowd should follow the jets. Edited March 18, 2018 by Over 29 years of fanhood
Putin Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 On 3/18/2018 at 2:05 PM, Bangarang said: I don’t think the Jets or their fans will care too long about what they gave up if it means they have a legit franchise QB for the next 10-15 years. Expand ( IF )
IndyMark Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 On 3/18/2018 at 2:18 PM, terrytate said: I am going to let you in on a little secret. I found a way to improve the offensive line, the wr's, the te, the rb's, and The DEFENSE. Guess how. Getting a stud qb, that is how. Expand Agreed; unfortunately the 2018 draft class is bankrupt of a stud. Or if he is in fact there, it is as likely as Rudolph and Jackson as it it Darnold or Rosen.
Bangarang Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 On 3/18/2018 at 2:58 PM, Putin said: ( IF ) Expand Well...yeah
CuddyDark Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) On 3/18/2018 at 2:54 PM, terrytate said: How many qb's in college do you think can throw it 60 mph? Not many and those who can are automatically at the top of any prospects list to scout. Not surprising to see wentz up there. he got there on his physical abilities not his college performance. Expand This is not true though. Teams started scouting Wentz back in college, during the college season. Like I said even our failed GM Doug Whaley. http://buffalonews.com/2016/01/28/carson-wentz-draws-the-bills-attention-and-for-good-reason/ https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2016/1/29/10867820/2016-nfl-draft-carson-wentz-senior-bowl-buffalo-bills-doug-whaley Edited March 18, 2018 by CuddyDark
Mr. WEO Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 On 3/18/2018 at 2:56 PM, Over 29 years of fanhood said: I don’t understand the question then. Is wentz good- seemed like it till he blew out his knee and became a cheerleader did the eagles win the championship- yes did Wentz have something to do with it- partially was it worth the future collateral they traded- TBD Would wentz have won the Super Bowl- don’t know Will he be able to carry the team once they shed talent without the replenishing picks- unknown There is no conclusion on wentz. His story isn’t yet written. He made some nice plays. He’s not won a playoff game in two seasons as a pro despite being a #2 overall. Same is true of #1 Foles. maybe the gotta trade into the top 5 crowd should follow the jets. Expand The question was simple. In retrospect, do you think Wentz was an unnecessary pick/wasted pick? You should be able to answer with a yes or no.
terrytate Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 On 3/18/2018 at 2:59 PM, IndyMark said: Agreed; unfortunately the 2018 draft class is bankrupt of a stud. Or if he is in fact there, it is as likely as Rudolph and Jackson as it it Darnold or Rosen. Expand I think the big 4 can all be studs. I think Rosen is the best, Allen highest ceiling, darnold safest, and Mayfield kind of a wildcard. He is like russell wilson. This is the best qb class since the ben, rivers, eli draft. And that was a long time ago.
Putin Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 On 3/18/2018 at 2:56 PM, Over 29 years of fanhood said: I don’t understand the question then. Is wentz good- seemed like it till he blew out his knee and became a cheerleader did the eagles win the championship- yes did Wentz have something to do with it- partially was it worth the future collateral they traded- TBD Would wentz have won the Super Bowl- don’t know Will he be able to carry the team once they shed talent without the replenishing picks- unknown There is no conclusion on wentz. His story isn’t yet written. He made some nice plays. He’s not won a playoff game in two seasons as a pro despite being a #2 overall. Same is true of #1 Foles. maybe the gotta trade into the top 5 crowd should follow the jets. Expand He was a going for MVP before getting hurt , and BTW I’m pretty sure we’d give up 3 maybe even more 1st round picks for another Carson Wentz 2
WideRightRevenge Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 On 3/18/2018 at 2:28 PM, BigBuff423 said: To me, what makes this Draft class so unique is that there truly could be 5 or 6 amazing QBs who all bring their individual ability to lead a franchise. To make this point, some of the best QBs in the NFL do it all very differently: 1. Darnold - Rivers 2. Rosen - Eli 3. Mayfield - Brees 4. Rudolph - Tannehill 5. Jackson - a better version of Vick 6. Allen - Big Ben (if accuracy can improve) 7. Mike White - Cousins And that’s not accounting for guys like Luke Falk or Kyle Lauletta. Remember guys like Jimmy G, Cousins, Russ Wilson, Derek Carr were all taken in 2nd Round or later. What this means to me is that this is not Winston / Mariotta where you basically have 2 guys, head and shoulders above the rest. You’ve got a great QB class that is wide and deep....which IMO means you use that to your advantage. Expand Dead nuts on ... agree with this analogy in terms of the QB depth .. don't mortgage the farm 1
Reed83HOF Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 On 3/18/2018 at 2:02 PM, N.Y. Orangeman said: This really isn't that difficult... Expand but it is that difficult. We have a generation of fans who are used to this style of roster building from us - horrendous records be damned.
terrytate Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 On 3/18/2018 at 3:00 PM, CuddyDark said: This is not true though. Teams started scouting Wentz back in college, during the college season. Like I said even our failed GM Doug Whaley. http://buffalonews.com/2016/01/28/carson-wentz-draws-the-bills-attention-and-for-good-reason/ Expand Of course they did, but there was not a lot of tape on him. Good lord are you joking with me. Darnold has been discussed as the first overall pick all year. Mayock said in that article that "he may be a first rounder"
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 On 3/18/2018 at 2:46 PM, terrytate said: Well wentz got them a bye, and he got them home field advantage . He had a lot to do with their success. His knee maybe rg3 bad, but his Mind and Arm are Peyton manning good. Expand Should he retire now to accelerate his enshrinement? He’s off to a promising almost 2 seasons but you’re getting a bit ahead of yourself
JaCrispy Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 On 3/18/2018 at 2:05 PM, Bangarang said: I don’t think the Jets or their fans will care too long about what they gave up if it means they have a legit franchise QB for the next 10-15 years. Expand Exactly...according to their message board they think they got a steal...I happen to agree.
terrytate Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 On 3/18/2018 at 2:56 PM, Over 29 years of fanhood said: I don’t understand the question then. Is wentz good- seemed like it till he blew out his knee and became a cheerleader did the eagles win the championship- yes did Wentz have something to do with it- partially was it worth the future collateral they traded- TBD Would wentz have won the Super Bowl- don’t know Will he be able to carry the team once they shed talent without the replenishing picks- unknown There is no conclusion on wentz. His story isn’t yet written. He made some nice plays. He’s not won a playoff game in two seasons as a pro despite being a #2 overall. Same is true of #1 Foles. maybe the gotta trade into the top 5 crowd should follow the jets. Expand The Eagles sure gave up a lot of future collateral. That roster is so void of talent, how they can even field a team is a mystery to me.
Mr. WEO Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 On 3/18/2018 at 2:28 PM, BigBuff423 said: To me, what makes this Draft class so unique is that there truly could be 5 or 6 amazing QBs who all bring their individual ability to lead a franchise. To make this point, some of the best QBs in the NFL do it all very differently: 1. Darnold - Rivers 2. Rosen - Eli 3. Mayfield - Brees 4. Rudolph - Tannehill 5. Jackson - a better version of Vick 6. Allen - Big Ben (if accuracy can improve) 7. Mike White - Cousins And that’s not accounting for guys like Luke Falk or Kyle Lauletta. Remember guys like Jimmy G, Cousins, Russ Wilson, Derek Carr were all taken in 2nd Round or later. What this means to me is that this is not Winston / Mariotta where you basically have 2 guys, head and shoulders above the rest. You’ve got a great QB class that is wide and deep....which IMO means you use that to your advantage. Expand Agree except for Jackson better than Vick. I don't think they are even close.
terrytate Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 On 3/18/2018 at 3:03 PM, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Should he retire now to accelerate his enshrinement? He’s off to a promising almost 2 seasons but you’re getting a bit ahead of yourself Expand you knwo what i mean, RG3 had a lot more wrong with him than just his knee.
stinky finger Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 On 3/18/2018 at 2:09 PM, Bangarang said: Rudolph at 12 would be horrible. Expand Where would he be acceptable?
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 On 3/18/2018 at 3:01 PM, Mr. WEO said: The question was simple. In retrospect, do you think Wentz was an unnecessary pick/wasted pick? You should be able to answer with a yes or no. Expand Can’t. It’s to be determined. His contribution to the eagles success is entirely debatable and the impact of the picks they surrendered won’t be determined until they sustain success with him underpinning it. But at least he bolstered your probowl percentage with a sympathy nod despite being on crutches ?
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 On 3/18/2018 at 2:00 PM, BuffaloBill said: The Rams and Eagles say otherwise. You get your QB when you can. With that said this is a deep QB class and who knows what can happen. Expand The 2016 draft and 2018 draft are not really comparable because 2016 had only two viable first round QB options. Goff and Wentz went one and two overall. I really don't see either of those guys as better prospects than Darnold and Rosen. Throw in Allen, Mayfield and Jackson and this QB class could be the perfect one to not trade a ton of picks for a franchise QB.
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