Alphadawg7 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 (edited) I am not predicting this...but the more I think about this the more I think Lamar may be the target for the Browns. Just think about this for a second. Most people think they overpaid for Taylor. So why did they do it if they intend on taking a QB high? Why give up the first pick in the 3rd round for a one year rental essentially given TT only has one year on their deal? Could mean they think TT has long term potential, and maybe allows Cleveland to go with non quarterbacks this year at 1 and 4 and maybe target a 2nd round QB or one next year. (I doubt this is the case though) Could mean they want a quality bridge QB to keep their rookie off the field as long as possible, but still the first pick in the 3rd is an expensive price for that with several FA options out there that wouldnt have cost them a draft asset. Or maybe, they are one of the teams that is enamored with Lamar and thats why TT makes a lot of sense for them to pay a premium to get for a bridge. All this talk about Allen being the guy they covet is worthless because no team is showing their cards and draft plans right now. Smokescreens are abundant this time of year. Could be true, but also no reason to believe its absolutely true and why so many still mock guys like Darnold or Rosen to them. But lets think about this a second...its not all that crazy to think they covet Lamar, many people around the NFL feel he is special. Only takes one team to fall in love with the upside (ask Tim Tebow). If they do covet Lamar, they could take him at 4 or even trade back with say the Jets at 6 who want to leap frog the Broncos (assuming neither has moved up to 2 or 3 yet in different trade). They could swap with us at 12 even. If they traded back to say 5 or 6, they easily can recoup say a 2nd round pick to make up for the 3rd they gave the Bills for TT. They get TT and Lamar and they actually improved their draft selection essentially by going from a 3rd (sent to us) to a 2nd (and possibly more in a small trade back). Or they could get even more back if say the Bills trade up to 4 with them because they believe they can get Lamar at 12. More I think about this, the more I start thinking it makes sense that maybe their "guy" is really Lamar. They take Barkely #1 and pair him with the athleticism and explosiveness of Lamar?!? Not hard to see how a team or OC would drool and be excited about that potential if they felt Lamar was a legit QB prospect. Just fun speculation, but this to me makes some sense and I am starting to think Lamar is a legit candidate to the Browns. Edited March 12, 2018 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 Wow if we got to 4 by only giving up our 1st's plus Glenn I'd poo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 So you think Lamar goes before Baker or Allen ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Putin said: So you think Lamar goes before Baker or Allen ?? he should go ahead of allen. has shown much more potential. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 1 minute ago, kdiggz said: Wow if we got to 4 by only giving up our 1st's plus Glenn I'd poo Unfortunately will have to sweeten the deal a little bit , the question will 4th be good enough ? I’d be really happy with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 (edited) I think they are looking for a more polished thrower. We had way too many three and outs last year because we couldn't throw the ball. From reading between the lines, I think they want a pocket passer. Hopefully it will be Darnold, Rosen, or Mayfield. Edit: thought this was about the Bills. Edited March 12, 2018 by billspro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 IMO they can have him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 My gut tells me Josh Allen, the most talented of all of them. He should be there at 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 12, 2018 Author Share Posted March 12, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Putin said: So you think Lamar goes before Baker or Allen ?? Very first line says "I am not predicting this" and title says "What if" But yes, its absolutely possible for that to happen. Would I do it...no, but I also wouldn't have drafted Tim Tebow in the first...or passed on Russel Wilson in the 2nd. What I think doesn't matter, its what teams fall in love with. And Lamar is a guy some team will fall in love with. And while looking around the league, I just saw Cleveland overpay and give up a premium draft pick for a QB that is a 1 year rental essentially in a draft that has Lamar Jackson in it. So makes me wonder the thought process on the TT deal...COULD it be because they are high on Lamar? And if they do want Lamar, that is VERY GOOD for the Bills because it opens up the possibility to now trade to #4 as they can probably land Lamar at #12...or if they shock and flat out take Lamar at 4, it means that both Baker and Allen start sliding and we can either stay put or move up cheaper to like 9 or 10 and get one of them. All speculation of course...just haven't seen anyone mention that maybe the TT trade is tied to potential interest in Lamar, which would again be VERY good for us if true especially now that we have the 12th pick. Edited March 12, 2018 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: My gut tells me Josh Allen, the most talented of all of them. He should be there at 4. you mean rosen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 I could really care less if they covet Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 The idea of anyone having Jackson and Barkely in the same backfield on rookie deals is absolutely mind blowing. I could not imagine a more spectacular playmaking duo. Very much doubt thats in the cards though. JMO. Also I dont think Lamar would be well served by sitting behind Tyrod. To be a very successful QB he needs to develop behind a pocket passer like Bradford. In terms of physical skillset he can already pretty much do anything Tyrod can do - and probably better. Plus I dont see Tyrod imparting much in the way of football smarts to a rook. Great example on how to carry oneself with class and as a professional but not really as a mentor imparting football wisdom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 Just now, aristocrat said: you mean rosen? No, I'm talking about the Browns (the subject of this thread). I think that Josh Allen may be the target - he's Roethlisberger-like in his talent and from a physical talent perspective is heads and shoulders above the rest. He's also performed extremely well in the postseason showcases. As I said elsewhere, I put very little stock in completion percentages at low-talent schools like Wyoming. The draft is about projection, not past performance for an under-talented team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 12, 2018 Author Share Posted March 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: I could really care less if they covet Jackson You should, because if they do it will greatly benefit the Bills ability to get one of the other big 4. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: Very first line says "I am not predicting this". But yes, its absolutely possible for that to happen. Would I do it...no, but I also wouldn't have drafted Tim Tebow in the first...or passed on Russel Wilson in the 2nd. What I think doesn't matter, its what teams fall in love with. And Lamar is a guy some team will fall in love with. And while looking around the league, I just saw Cleveland overpay and give up a premium draft pick for a QB that is a 1 year rental essentially in a draft that has Lamar Jackson in it. So makes me wonder the thought process on the TT deal...COULD it be because they are high on Lamar? Who knows you could be right , there maybe more teams who are downplaying / keep it on down low , but really do like Lamar Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 The bills just showed that TT’s style is not working for what they want to do. Ergo a TT clone won’t be a selection imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 This all makes too much sense. Overpay for Tyrod then you know no one is drafting Lamar Jackson before 12. The one big problem with this scenario is the Jets & Fins moving up ahead of us. We have to sweeten the pot to get to 2 NYG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: You should, because if they do it will greatly benefit the Bills ability to get one of the other big 4. Good point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 12, 2018 Author Share Posted March 12, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, starrymessenger said: The idea of anyone having Jackson and Barkely in the same backfield on rookie deals is absolutely mind blowing. I could not imagine a more spectacular playmaking duo. Very much doubt thats in the cards though. JMO. Also I dont think Lamar would be well served by sitting behind Tyrod. To be a very successful QB he needs to develop behind a pocket passer like Bradford. In terms of physical skillset he can already pretty much do anything Tyrod can do - and probably better. Plus I dont see Tyrod imparting much in the way of football smarts to a rook. Great example on how to carry oneself with class and as a professional but not really as a mentor imparting football wisdom. Yeah makes sense, but been thinking about the TT trade, and the first pick in the 3rd is a steep price to pay for a 1 year rental at QB. Especially with so many FA options this year. So started thinking about why they paid so much for a guy a lot of people still thought we would outright cut. The more I think about it, the more I start wondering if they are high on Lamar. Think about it...they could recoup a 2nd back by trading back a few spots to and still take Lamar. So they would get more back than they gave up to get TT essentially and still get their target of Lamar. The more I think about it, the more I think this makes sense. But who knows, this is a crazy offseason so far, and super fun as there are so many possibilities. But I honestly am starting to think Lamar could be a target of the Browns. Edited March 12, 2018 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 Please let this happen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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