#34fan Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 Just now, ndirish1978 said: At least we agree on that Yah.. We agree on your "he won a Heisman" bullsh_t being laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 1 hour ago, JimKellyTryouts said: Wow, I didn't know he was victim to 38 drops. I'll admit I don't follow college players much, but are the accuracy concerns he get nothing but hot takes from box score experts, or...? Jackson? Yeah, in contrast to what's said about all Allen's drops, he had one of the lower drop percents among the "top QB candidates". As I recall, Jackson is highest with 12% (38) and Rosen second with 11% (31) 1 hour ago, arcane said: I've watched him a few times and his touch/placement is not there. Even in the highlight clips his open-by-an-acre receivers are adjusting and slowing and veering to get under his throws. I've seen them downright halt in their routes before. It's bad and since accuracy can't be taught, I stay far away from Lamar (and Allen). When you say "you've watched him", do you mean you've been to live games? Because I've been watching quite a bit of game film and scouting (not highlight clips) and I don't see this at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 56 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Detective said: John Murphy: Bills at their own 30 yard line. Lamar Jackson in the shotgun (because that's all he knows) with 3 receivers split wide. Here's the snap. Pressure coming right away up the middle! Lamar Jackson rolls out, he's going to take off! Jackson is at the 35, the 40, looking to get out of bounds and OH! Lamar Jackson got hit low by the safety and he is down and clutching at his knee. This is not looking good for the 21st overall pick right now. Tell the truth: you haven't actually watched much film of his play this year, have you? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 It's going to be such a long two months... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TtownBillsFan Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 15 minutes ago, offyourocker said: That is what I want in a QB. A guy that wants to win so badly. Accurate. I think his size will be a factor at times but not enough to impeed his success I hope his lack of stature drops him to a point where we can get him without trading away our draft for him. But if we have to drop our two firsts and a bit more, I really really think he's worth it. We'll rue the draft day we don't make a move for him; I really believe that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JinxedBill1 Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 I think Beane is being a good GM and doing his diligence in everyone. That being said, stop comparing people to Watson who, might I remind you, played all of what, 6 games? I think Watson has a bright future and is ahead of Jackson but I think the sample size is too small to say Watson has made it yet. Promising, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 44 minutes ago, TigerJ said: That certainly weighs into any evaluation, but if you take into account drops by Jackson's receivers, you also have to look at the number of drops by receivers of QBs in the draft who had a better completion percentage than Jackson. Essentially, whenever you do comparisons, you want to be sure it's apples to apples. This has been done in other threads. Jackson has more drops than the others so he compares more favorably. I believe Darnold and Allen were not looking good after that analysis. On the Kap versus Jackson debate. Kap came out of Nevada. WAC is nothing close to the ACC. Also he played 4 years. His per year stats are not as good compared to Lamar and that’s including his senior year that really elevated his line. I will say 34 you are consistent in using off the field items in your analysis but I don’t understand how a business degree equates to success on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 As time goes on, I warm up more and more to the idea of staying put at 21 and drafting Lamar Jackson. If the Bills aren't going to trade up to the top 5 for a Rosen or a Mayfield, then I hope they take Jackson. Daboll can design an offense that will fit both Tyrod and Jackson's skillset. Tyrod -- who is already under contract for a reasonable amount and is a leader in the locker room and can get you to the playoffs -- starts until Jackson is good enough to take the job from him. Yes, I realize the worst case scenario with Jackson is that he's a total bust and can't play quarterback in the NFL. But heck, that's the risk with ALL these guys, and they don't have even half of Jackson's pure athletic ability and upside. If you're not going all out for a top 3 QB, stay put and take Jackson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 There was nothing in that article that made me think Wow Beane really likes Lamar Jackson as a possibility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, TtownBillsFan said: Ditto. I want Baker badly, but I'm a Sooners fan, so probably alot of homerism on my part. But I saw every game Baker played for OU, ever snap, and there's not a bigger competitor, at any position, on any team, in college football. AND, Baker is crazy accurate, and crazy-good in making something out of nothing! I started out being skeptical and came away convinced. My first choice is Rosen but I would be pleased to land Baker. 12 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said: There was nothing in that article that made me think Wow Beane really likes Lamar Jackson as a possibility Is there anything in anything Beane says that makes you feel "wow Beane really likes (.......) as a possibility"? Edited March 1, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted March 1, 2018 Author Share Posted March 1, 2018 (edited) An additional article with quotes from McDermott: https://articles.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2018/02/what_buffalo_bills_brandon_beane_sean_mcdermott_said_about_lamar_jackson.amp?__twitter_impression=true 1 minute ago, PIZ said: "Well I've been around kind of those style of quarterbacks. Donovan McNabb, Cam Newton, Tyrod Taylor," McDermott said. "I'm familiar with what comes with those style of quarterback, both the positives and some of the drawbacks of that style probably more than most coaches in this case. I'm in a pretty good position in terms of the familiarity with that." At this point, it's safe to say the Bills view Jackson as a quarterback. As they should. "At the end of the day, this guy has played the position and played it at a high level in college," McDermott said. Edited March 1, 2018 by PIZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCelticsAngelsBama Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 1 hour ago, BuffaloRebound said: Earning the right to try QB before he switches positions isn't exactly a ringing endorsement. I guess you could say that about JT Barrett too. JT Barrett is not on the same hemisphere as Lamar Jackson.. I don't know if Jackson will pan out but Barrett could only dream of having Jackson's talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Juror#8 said: He's a black qb. He is a cross between Jamarcus Russell and Antwaan Randle El until he categorically proves otherwise. Peace. It's so ridiculous. I especially loved the bit about EJ and TT having the same "style" as Jackson. Wouldn't they have to have the same style as each other first? And let's not pick up a free agent "running" QB like Bridgewater either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCelticsAngelsBama Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, #34fan said: You know how many BUSTS own a heisman? Sh_t, they gave Manziel a Heisman... Doesn't mean jack squat... Kaepernick passed for more yards with a higher comp % Kaepernick threw way more touchdowns. Kaepernicck rushed for more touchdowns, Kaepernick GRADUATED with a degree in business management And, this was all after being drafted by the Cubs as a pitching prospect! Pretty ridiculous and reprehensible if you ask me.. Nevada played who ? I saw him play. He was very good against very weak competition and ran the pistol offense. Jackson was better in college than Kaep. But using CAPS about his graduating ALMOST swayed me.... not to mention his ability to play MINOR league baseball which is a VERY PERSUASIVE argument in comparing their college FOOTBALL careers Edited March 1, 2018 by MOVALLEYRANDY 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 17 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: It's so ridiculous. I especially loved the bit about EJ and TT having the same "style" as Jackson. Wouldn't they have to have the same style as each other first? And let's not pick up a free agent "running" QB like Bridgewater either. Did I miss something? Where were EJ and TT compared to Jackson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Did I miss something? Where were EJ and TT compared to Jackson? About 75% down page one of this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 2 hours ago, ndirish1978 said: I question his judgement with him using his MOTHER to rep him and not an agent. It is utterly stupid to choose penny-pinching on a rookie slotted contract at the cost of draft position. If he had an agent there would have been a stronger response to all this WR conversion talk. I don't think this guy is surrounded by the right people. Seriously? Unless his mother is an attorney or something, that actually is a red flag. Is he going to use TurboTax after he gets signing bonus too? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 Not a ton there... but I think more and more that Jackson ends up being the pick. Gonna be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 2 hours ago, MOVALLEYRANDY said: Nevada played who ? I saw him play. He was very good against very weak competition and ran the pistol offense. Wolfpack beat Boise Stare back when they scored 50+ per game and only lost 3 Gamez in 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, MOVALLEYRANDY said: Nevada played who ? I saw him play. He was very good against very weak competition and ran the pistol offense. Jackson was better in college than Kaep. But using CAPS about his graduating ALMOST swayed me.... not to mention his ability to play MINOR league baseball which is a VERY PERSUASIVE argument in comparing their college FOOTBALL careers You burglarized a conversation but got stuck in the chimney. Here's what I said Re: Jackson 8 hours ago, #34fan said: He's not even 1/2 of what Kaepernick was coming into the draft, and I consider them very similar stylewise... I was being general on purpose, and I wasn't alone because: 7 hours ago, aristocrat said: Oh please he’s done way more than kap did. Which, even generally speaking, is total bullsh_t... Anyway, that's when I pointed out: 7 hours ago, #34fan said: Kaepernick passed for more yards with a higher comp % Kaepernick threw way more touchdowns. Kaepernick rushed for more touchdowns, Kaepernick GRADUATED with a degree in business management And, this was all after being drafted by the Cubs as a pitching prospect! Kaep also threw less INT's than Jackson did in college, but the point was made... Cumulatively, Kaepernick accomplished way more than Jackson leading up to the draft. To your other point: 5 hours ago, MOVALLEYRANDY said: Nevada played who ? I saw him play. He was very good against very weak competition and ran the pistol offense. Jackson was better in college than Kaep. The real question is, "who played for Nevada"? Besides Kaepernick, Virgil Green, and Rishard Matthews, Nevada had BUPKIS for talent on that roster. Yet in 2011, they managed to supplant a juggernaut in Boise State, -embarrass a Pac 12 mainstay in Cal, and out-duel a Boston College defense that featured Mark Herzlich, and future 1st rounder Luke Kuechley... Edited March 1, 2018 by #34fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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