John from Riverside Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Ittakestime said: You are thinking of Davis from 3 to 4 years ago. This is a CB who literally got benched last year and isn't young anymore. I will take McDermott's evaluation over yours on this.....its his defense he knows what players he needs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 11 minutes ago, John from Hemet said: I will take McDermott's evaluation over yours on this.....its his defense he knows what players he needs Never questioned whether Davis will help, but its the cost that is not smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Ittakestime said: Never questioned whether Davis will help, but its the cost that is not smart. What is the cost of a two time pro bowler? What should it be? Lets keep in mind that the bills wanted him LAST year......so they know what players they are looking for their team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Signing Davis won't stop the Bills from selecting a CB high again in this draft. I can easily see the Bills taking Alexander in the second round (assuming they still keep their picks). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, njbuff said: Signing Davis won't stop the Bills from selecting a CB high again in this draft. I can easily see the Bills taking Alexander in the second round (assuming they still keep their picks). I hope not Not only do we have 2 very good starting corners but they have been good at finding those fringe guys so that cap can go towards other needs....... If we trade away the farm to get into the blue chip QBs we not even have that 2nd round pick If we stand pat and take a guy like Lamar Jackson.....we also have definate needs at RT, LB, pass rush Personally.....I am wondering if it might be smart to trade down from 21 to later in the 1st round in hopes Lamar Jackson is still there....and aquire a additional 2nd rounder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 3 hours ago, thebandit27 said: Ian Rapoport Verified account @RapSheet 6m6 minutes ago More The #Bills signed former #Colts CB Vontae Davis to a 1-year worth $5M base, source said, with $3.5M of that guaranteed. The max he can earn is $8M. Leavs Buffalo with ~$28.8M in cap space at the moment. Figure $8M of that will go to draft picks, so you've got ~$20M to spend on re-signings and UFAs What is the expectation for EWood’s impact? I assume it will be designated a post June 1 release? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: And? Is it out what we are paying him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Just now, Buffalo716 said: Is it out what we are paying him $5 trillion. Trillion with a T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: $5 trillion. Trillion with a T. Bargain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Just now, Buffalo716 said: Bargain If you take away six zeros then you’ll have his salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: If you take away six zeros then you’ll have his salary. Thanks bud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 39 minutes ago, TPS said: What is the expectation for EWood’s impact? I assume it will be designated a post June 1 release? Yep, it seems that is why they are holding off on the "official" retirement. You always need some cap space for the season so I would assume they will use Wood's for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 16 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Thanks bud No no you guys just are not getting it Davis should be paying US for the priv of playing for the Bills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Bill Barnwell ESPN Staff Writer The one-year, $5-million deal the Bills inked with Vontae Davis is a good short-term risk for a team who probably would have had to pay more to bring back the oft-injured E.J. Gaines next season. Davis slipped badly in 2016 and was impacted by injuries in 2017, but the former Colts standout won't turn 30 until May and was a legitimate number-one cornerback up to that point. In a free-agent pool where mid-market starting corners are likely to approach $10 million per season with two years of guaranteed money, getting Davis on a short-term pact for half that is a win for Bills general manager Brandon Beane. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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greenwithenvy Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, SouthNYfan said: The production is there in the case. Stat sheets for a single player do not show their true worth many times. It's one reason why a player with seemingly worse statistics wins an MVP, or why you can't build a team based on fantasy football statistics. Claiming Watkins was a worse wr than kupp based solely on his statistics is absurd, and proves my point that, in this case, I am positive this person did not watch any footage/games with Watkins on the Rams. He drew double coverages on the outside, would be stacked next to kupp and draw the double on a deeper slant, leaving kupp wide open underneath. The Rams system rotates receivers though multiple positions on the field and doesn't focus one guy. I actually provided a very good article which breaks down exactly how valuable Watkins was to them, that it's beyond box numbers. I'll use the Bills as an example, 2002 eric moulds and peerless price had almost identical yardage, with price having a higher ypc. Moulds was a legit #1 who drew doubles, price had it easy on the other side. He went to Atlanta and was barely average. Why? He didn't have anybody to draw coverage. A top talent wr eats coverages, leaving the other guys open. That's a fact. If you don't know that, then you don't watch football, or don't know what you're watching, which proves my statement of "learn to watch football" Has to do with facts, not ego. You'll have to show me where anybody has said the bolded. That kind of hyperbole/extrapolation makes discussion difficult. Watkins is an extremely talented player. I don't think anybody disputes that. Certainly more talented then Kupp. The problem is, at this point, he is unrealized talent. No, stats sheets do not show a players entire value. Of course not. However, you cannot simply ignore them at a position like WR. Do you really believe the Rams thought they were trading for a field spacer/coverage eater with little production? Nobody values that at a 2nd round pick +. Great, he draws a double team most of the time. So does the #1 receiver on every team in football. Why does he have so much trouble producing vs other top WR's? A top WR talent produces, regardless of coverage. That's a fact. Do OBJ/Evans/Brown/a dozen other #1 WR not face these impenetrable defences? He might still reach his potential but it's perfectly fair to wonder if it will ever happen. Every year that passes it becomes less likely. At this point, outside of about a 10 game stretch, he's been no more than average over a 4 year career. 4 years is not a small sample size. Edited February 27, 2018 by greenwithenvy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, Mountain Man said: Watkins, in the one of the most high powered offenses last year, whilst staying healthy, got outplayed by Cooper Kupp. The guys is always primed for a good season, he never has them. People need to stop living off hope with Watkins. 11 minutes ago, greenwithenvy said: You'll have to show me where anybody has said the bolded. That kind of hyperbole/extrapolation makes discussion difficult. Watkins is an extremely talented player. I don't think anybody disputes that. Certainly more talented then Kupp. The problem is, at this point, he is unrealized talent. No, stats sheets do not show a players entire value. Of course not. However, you cannot simply ignore them at a position like WR. Do you really believe the Rams thought they were trading for a field spacer/coverage eater with little production? Nobody values that at a 2nd round pick +. Great, he draws a double team most of the time. So does the #1 receiver on every team in football. Why does he have so much trouble producing vs other top WR's? A top WR talent produces, regardless of coverage. That's a fact. Do OBJ/Evans/Brown/a dozen other #1 WR not face these impenetrable defences? He might still reach his potential but it's perfectly fair to wonder if it will ever happen. Every year that passes it becomes less likely. At this point, outside of about a 10 game stretch, he's been no more than average over a 4 year career. 4 years is not a small sample size. I quoted the original post I was referring to, when I told somebody to "learn to watch football" Claiming he was "outplayed by kupp" because kupp had better stats at the end of the year I was pointing out that Sammy was very important to that offense, moreso than kupp, even if the end of year #s didn't show it, and most of kupp/woods #s came from Sammy (and gurley obv) spacing the field I don't disagree with what you're saying that he might not have lived up to the full potential that they wanted, but my point was to act like he was a lesser impact on offense than the receivers whom he opened up the field for based solely on end of year yardage/receptions was completely false if the people actually watched the film. Sammy was a very key part of the #1 scoring offense on the NFL He was a bigger part than kupp No he wasn't on obj/brown level, but he wasn't the hot garbage hyperbole people make him out to be Edited February 28, 2018 by SouthNYfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 9 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: I quoted the original post I was referring to, when I told somebody to "learn to watch football" Claiming he was "outplayed by kupp" because kupp had better stats at the end of the year I was pointing out that Sammy was very important to that offense, moreso than kupp, even if the end of year #s didn't show it, and most of kupp/woods #s came from Sammy (and gurley obv) spacing the field I don't disagree with what you're saying that he might not have lived up to the full potential that they wanted, but my point was to act like he was a lesser impact on offense than the receivers whom he opened up the field for based solely on end of year yardage/receptions was completely false if the people actually watched the film. Sammy was a very key part of the #1 scoring offense on the NFL He was a bigger part than kupp No he wasn't on obj/brown level, but he wasn't the hot garbage hyperbole people make him out to be #elitedecoy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwithenvy Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: I quoted the original post I was referring to, when I told somebody to "learn to watch football" Claiming he was "outplayed by kupp" because kupp had better stats at the end of the year I was pointing out that Sammy was very important to that offense, moreso than kupp, even if the end of year #s didn't show it, and most of kupp/woods #s came from Sammy (and gurley obv) spacing the field I don't disagree with what you're saying that he might not have lived up to the full potential that they wanted, but my point was to act like he was a lesser impact on offense than the receivers whom he opened up the field for based solely on end of year yardage/receptions was completely false if the people actually watched the film. Sammy was a very key part of the #1 scoring offense on the NFL He was a bigger part than kupp No he wasn't on obj/brown level, but he wasn't the hot garbage hyperbole people make him out to be You got me with the bolded. Fair enough. I still don't think most fans would argue Kupp>Watkins. He was drafted with the expectation of being on the elite level ala OBJ/Brown and I think that colors expectations a bit as well. If he was drafted 28th people wouldn't be as hard on him. So how about that Vontae Davis signing... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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