thebandit27 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Just now, Ittakestime said: For a 30 year old CB, who was demoted last year? He should have got the David Amerson deal: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/david-amerson-12332/ For a 2-time pro bowl cornerback who was demoted when he couldn't play through a groin injury And no, he shouldn't get the same money as Amerson, who went through 3 teams prior to finding his niche as a middling starter. Davis is one year older than Joe Haden, who got $9M AAV last offseason. By comparison, he's a bargain. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: For a 30 year old CB, who was demoted last year? He should have got the David Amerson deal: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/david-amerson-12332/ LOL...randomly picking a corner who makes a lower salary to prove a point? Thinking David and Amerson are at the same level for the market is absurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 53 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: That is a lot of money and takes up a good chunk of our remaining cap. That deal flips the signing to horrible. 5 million should have been the max with the incentives. What is Beane doing?? You REALLY need to educate yourself sir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 2 hours ago, greenwithenvy said: I love the ego on fans that tell others to 'learn to watch football'. Get over yourself. You have no idea the knowledge/experience of who you are talking to. The assumption that you're a more intelligent fan is hilarious. As to the rest, please. The Rams traded a player + a 2nd for a 1 year rental who their scheme uses as a decoy or field stretcher. LMAO. Not bloody likely. They thought they were getting a potential #1 or a #2 at worst. Once again, Sammy came up short of expectations. Think the Rams make the trade again with the benefit of hindsight? After all, he did what he was supposed to. What more could they want? Potential without production is meaningless. Other then the ego thing i agree 1000% with what he said Sammy was a huge reason for there success last yr. The type of attention he got opened things up for everyone else. Also Greg Cosell of NFL films and he studies all the gms player by player said Sammy was wide open a ton of times. But the position he plays the X spot in that offense is not highly targeted . That might explain the 70 targets he got during the season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 13 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: LOL...randomly picking a corner who makes a lower salary to prove a point? Thinking David and Amerson are at the same level for the market is absurd. Random?? It was the most recent CB signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Just now, Ittakestime said: Random?? It was the most recent CB signing. So since Jimmy Garoppolo got $27.5M, so too should Geno Smith, right? Most recent! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Just now, Ittakestime said: Random?? It was the most recent CB signing. Davis' stature as an accomplished NFL veteran far exceeds Amerson's. Not at all a good comparable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Ittakestime said: Random?? It was the most recent CB signing. And? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) Edited February 27, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 13 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Davis' stature as an accomplished NFL veteran far exceeds Amerson's. Not at all a good comparable. You are thinking of Davis from 3 to 4 years ago. This is a CB who literally got benched last year and isn't young anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Just now, Ittakestime said: You are thinking of Davis from 3 to 4 years ago. This is a CB who literally got benched last year and isn't young anymore. He played through an injury that has been surgically repaired and 30 isn't what I consider to be old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 16 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: So since Jimmy Garoppolo got $27.5M, so too should Geno Smith, right? Most recent! Depends if the flat earth thing works out or not...JMO Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: He played through an injury that has been surgically repaired and 30 isn't what I consider to be old. Especially playing in a zone scheme and not man - not a big deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 hour ago, thebandit27 said: What are you talking about??? His base deal value is $5M. He can earn up to $8M in incentives, which means that the additional $3M doesn't count against the cap. $5M for a starting CB, when you're paying your other starting CB a rookie salary, is a steal. If he does get the incentives it would be charged to next years cap but it's still a great signing for Buffalo. Here is a good explanation for incentives if anyone wants to know. Welcome to Buffalo Vontae! Incentives are written into some contracts to pay a player for reaching certain performance criteria. Incentives come in two varieties – Likely To Be Earned (LTBE) and Not Likely To Be Earned (NLTBE) – each of which has different Salary Cap implications. Likely To Be Earned Incentives (LTBE) are incentives based on performance levels that were reached in the prior season. LTBEs count against the Salary Cap in the year they are scheduled. For example, if a RB ran for 1,200 yards last year and he has an incentive that will pay him $100,000 if he runs for 1,000 yards this year, the incentive would be a LTBE Incentive and would count against the Salary Cap this year. On the other hand, if the RB ran for 1,000 yards last year and he has an incentive that will pay him $100,000 if he runs for 1,200 yards this year, then incentive would be Not Likely To Be Earned (NLTBE) and would not count against this year’s Salary Cap. If the player does not earn a LTBE Incentive, then the amount of the incentive ($100K in our example) will be credited against the following year’s Salary Cap and the team would have $100K in additional Cap space in the following year. The opposite happens with NLTBE Incentives. If those are earned, they are charged to the following year’s Salary Cap. In our example, that would mean that the team would have $100K less in Cap space the following year. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 hour ago, MTBill said: No time to read this whole thread.... I like the move - save a draft pick - and money that Gaines will want... Of course others here will be all - 'There goes our compensatory picks in 2019'.... We have 3 FA CB this offseason - this move replaces one of them at least. Who knows what we do otherwise - EJ G could still be in Buffalo if he isn't asking for the moon in salary - but I expect he wants more than the Bills want to pay him. This is saving/clearing cap room for other FA moves - and quite possibly a low risk upgrade. Davis was cut so he should not count in the compensatory formula. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: You are thinking of Davis from 3 to 4 years ago. This is a CB who literally got benched last year and isn't young anymore. Yes and that Davis 3-4 years ago signed a 4 year/$39 million dollar deal with $20 million guaranteed. Now he makes $5 million which is the market for his age and level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 8 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: You are thinking of Davis from 3 to 4 years ago. This is a CB who literally got benched last year and isn't young anymore. McBeane, Bandit and everyone on here believes it was a good deal. Who doesn't......YOU! smh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 I got to say I love that the Bills can attract early contracts like this. Maybe the worm is turning and McDermott/Beane are turning some heads around the league. Gaines out, Davis in. A move like this is usually done by teams like that one from Boston! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: I got to say I love that the Bills can attract early contracts like this. Maybe the worm is turning and McDermott/Beane are turning some heads around the league. Gaines out, Davis in. A move like this is usually done by teams like that one from Boston! it helps that we made the playoffs last year. That means a lot to players 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) 58 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: He played through an injury that has been surgically repaired and 30 isn't what I consider to be old. For Corners its definitely getting up there Revis and Asomugha (excuse my spelling )were in sharp decline at this age as well as others. 54 minutes ago, cba fan said: Davis was cut so he should not count in the compensatory formula. I realize this is the case and its great if u can take advantage of it but we have way to many holes to sit around and wait for a 4th rder for Gaines. 54 minutes ago, cba fan said: Edited February 27, 2018 by NastyNateSoldiers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddo Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 By the sounds of it, a fair deal. $3.5 million guaranteed, with bonuses that can take it up to $8 million, if they are all hit - which also means that at least a proportion of that $8 million, will be coming out of next years cap. When we have more room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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