Former NFL Lineman Jonathan Martin Seems Very Troubled - Has Been Taken into Custody

[Bill from NYC]

15 hours ago, GG said:

Is the NFL going to apologize to Richie?

Good question.

 

I don't remember so much about the case, but I do remember Incog saying something to the effect that he would actually protect Martin from other team's players who would screw around with him. Please don't hold me to an exact quote. The league came down VERY heavily upon RI, this in an industry where time to earn is severely limited.

 

I think that the NFL, with their billions upon billions of dollars, pays some of the brightest minds in the business world to craft it's public image. Incog made slurs about blacks and gays and they stepped on him like an ant. They also seem to care to an extent now about domestic violence. I applaud this because these things are wrong.

Still, I do wonder why it is ok for players to take a knee, even though SO many people are hurt and insulted by it. Why can players speak out about hating "cops?" Is hating all police officers really any less bigoted than speaking out against all gays? They had Beyonce dancing up a storm at a super bowl,  but she and her criminal husband bailed out the people who rioted in and destroyed the city of Baltimore.

 

Yeah, these PR guys must be brilliant but it isn't easy for me to follow their logic.

[sleeby]

Bill - BLM is not about hating all cops.  You do not seem to understand the issue - which somehow seems to be the normal even though BLM is so very simple.and well defined and communicated.  

 

Anyhow, the NFL is a business as you point out and its business fails quickly without black and brown skinned associates.  The last thing they need is a player strike.

 

The same players are forced to don pink for the politics of breast cancer lobbyist groups so then saying they cannot use the field for educating about discrimination is tone deaf; amd maybe legally risky.  I have wondered why always breast cancer.  Prostrat cancer could use some sunshine in its backyard too. Ha.

 

[Chimp]

2 hours ago, nedboy7 said:

No need to judge anyone or pretend like you know the story cause you read about it on some "news" site.  If you are on meds you forfeit your guns.  Simple.  All rights have common sense limits. 

 

the reality is not all conservatives or liberals think the way the media makes you believe they think.  btw talking about letting kids get murdered is way off and disrespectful.  Hopefully you can learn to think independently and not let fox put words in your brain. 

I don't need fox to put words in my brain.  Explain to me right now, if you can, how I can be sure my children aren't killed in school Monday, if all semi automatic rifles sales are banned today.  How does that stop a shooter tomorrow.  We need to make sure crazies don't get guns, but we need to have some form of security today to make sure this doesn't happen again.

Edited February 24, 2018 by Chimp

[Hapless Bills Fan]

34 minutes ago, sleeby said:

He's not a danger to anyone save himself.  If he was both willing and able to shoot others he would not have put up that advert about it.

 

Where do you get that notion? 

Apparently the Florida school shooter posted on a Youtube video about how he was going to become "a professional school shooter" and other maniacs have had pre-event indicators.

 

Not all, but that doesn't mean you don't need to take it seriously.

Just now, Chimp said:

I don't need fox to put words in my brain.  Explain to me right now, if you can, how I can be sure my children aren't killed in school Monday, if all semi automatic rifles sales are banned today.

 

You can't.  But how can you be sure your children aren't killed in school Monday, if semi automatic rifle sales aren't banned today?  I don't see your point.

 

I do see this thread being moved to PPP though

[Chimp]

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Where do you get that notion? 

Apparently the Florida school shooter posted on a Youtube video about how he was going to become "a professional school shooter" and other maniacs have had pre-event indicators.

 

Not all, but that doesn't mean you don't need to take it seriously.

 

You can't.  But how can you be sure your children aren't killed in school Monday, if semi automatic rifle sales aren't banned today?  I don't see your point.

 

I do see this thread being moved to PPP though

That's the stupidest thing I've ever read.  Let's not take any action to solve anything.  We'll just continue with the status quo and add another law for murderers to break.

Edited February 24, 2018 by Chimp

[sleeby]

You do have a point there hapless.  Either way, it certainly needs to be taken seriously.  

 

I see an opportunity for Richie to step up here.  Reach out to this guy and privately apologize and make amends - regardless of guilt.  The perceived antagonists could likely help the guy better than anyone. 

Edited February 24, 2018 by sleeby

[nedboy7]

9 minutes ago, Chimp said:

I don't need fox to put words in my brain.  Explain to me right now, if you can, how I can be sure my children aren't killed in school Monday, if all semi automatic rifles sales are banned today.  How does that stop a shooter tomorrow.  We need to make sure crazies don't get guns, but we need to have some form of security today to make sure this doesn't happen again.

 

I agree with you.  It's a multi dimensional issue.  Every single shooter is on meds.  Mentally ill people dont need guns.  Schools need to be safer in how they organize.  Actually everyone is right.  I am not sure how you keep your kids safe.  There are over 5 million kids under the age of 12 that are on meds in this country.  This country is run by pharmaceutical companies.  You see this being discussed on either side?  Sure the nra claims its a mental health issue.  Its a mental medication issue.  On the other hand why do you need an automatic weapon to protect yourself.  You in guerilla warfare? 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 minutes ago, sleeby said:

I see an opportunity for Richie to step up here.  Reach out to this guy and privately apologize and make amends - regardless of guilt.  The perceived antagonists could likely help the guy better than anyone. 

 

I think that ship sailed some years back.

Just now, nedboy7 said:

 Every single shooter is on meds. 

 

This is just incorrect

[nedboy7]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think that ship sailed some years back.

 

This is just incorrect

 

It is very close to the truth.  Research it.  I am not trying to just generalize to prove a point. 

 

http://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/another-mass-shooting-potentially-linked-to-psychiatric-drugs-1002085657

Edited February 24, 2018 by nedboy7

[Repulsif]

21 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

shotgun formation ?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

11 minutes ago, Chimp said:

That's the stupidest thing I've ever read.  Let's not take any action to solve anything.  We'll just continue with the status quo and add another law for murderers to break.

 

How do you get from this to that?  You asked how you can be sure your kids are safe in school if sales of semi-auto rifles are banned.

I asked how you can be sure your kids are safe in school if they aren't (since right now, they aren't, yet it seems safety can not be assured)

 

How do you get from that to "let's not take any action to solve anything, we'll just continue with the status quo and add another law"? 

The universe of actions is not limited to 2.  Neither did I suggest adding another law - I asked how not adding another law helps.  Not the same thing.

 

2 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

It is very close to the truth.  Research it.  I am not trying to just generalize to prove a point.

 

I have, and you are mistaken.

[nedboy7]

25 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

How do you get from this to that?  You asked how you can be sure your kids are safe in school if sales of semi-auto rifles are banned.

I asked how you can be sure your kids are safe in school if they aren't (since right now, they aren't, yet it seems safety can not be assured)

 

How do you get from that to "let's not take any action to solve anything, we'll just continue with the status quo and add another law"? 

The universe of actions is not limited to 2.  Neither did I suggest adding another law - I asked how not adding another law helps.  Not the same thing.

 

 

I have, and you are mistaken.

 

http://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/another-mass-shooting-potentially-linked-to-psychiatric-drugs-1002085657

 

Ok its not 100%.  It would be foolish to not see the connection here though.  I am not saying this is the solution.  I am point to the fact that this is a part of it just like the other talking points.  There is no single argument. 

Edited February 24, 2018 by nedboy7

[IDBillzFan]

42 minutes ago, Repulsif said:

 

shotgun formation ?

 

Finally someone makes a good joke. I swear some people look for any opportunity to promote their own, silly way of thinking.

 

Frankly, all I keep thinking is how cool it would have been if Martin added the hashtags #diedrichiedie and #laces out, and instead of writing something obscure about bullying and revenge, he would just write "Richie Incognito should die of gonorrhea and rot in hell! Would you like a cookie, son?"

 

This is how you do it, Martin!

 

 

[DC Tom]

17 hours ago, Doc said:

 

What he wrote was inappropriate.  But his former Dolphins teammates obviously saw it and still supported him and not Martin. 

 

 

That likely was what he was going for, but he shouldn't have included the picture of the gun, much less put the names of the HS and Dolphins on it. 

 

It's obviously what he was going for.  He's clearly referring to shooters, not victims.

 

But he certainly didn't do it well.

[C.Biscuit97]

Love the revisionist history.  RI was kicked out of multiple college and NFL teams because he was a POS long before he met Martin.  

 

Martin has a cushy upbringing and didn't have to deal with an RI. Maybe he had mental health issues.

 

Either way, it was bad mix between those two. It appears RI finally grew up and JM is struggling.  It's sad that some of you seem to be rooting against JM.  Rather that actually do it, he basically put out a cry for help.  Hopefully, he gets it because he is wasting his life.

 

and are there bigger losers than everyone who has to make everything into a stupid liberal/ conservative thing?  

Edited February 24, 2018 by C.Biscuit97

[DC Tom]

17 hours ago, Dopey said:

When everyone else here read it one way and you another, it makes everyone else obtuse?!

OK!?

All hail to dc tom! u iz sowe smartur then uss. 

 

Yes, it does.  Don't give me that "but there's consensus" bull ****.  "When you're bullied and a coward" is pretty goddamned clear....but how can we read when there's a picture of a gun!

[C.Biscuit97]

1 hour ago, sleeby said:

You do have a point there hapless.  Either way, it certainly needs to be taken seriously.  

 

I see an opportunity for Richie to step up here.  Reach out to this guy and privately apologize and make amends - regardless of guilt.  The perceived antagonists could likely help the guy better than anyone. 

This is a quality post that will get lost.  RI has even made comments that he needed to grow up.  Obviously, JM was more sensitive than most players.  RI reaching out would show what kind of man he's become.

[boyst]

21 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Yeah, regardless of his intent, the fact that its so unclear is almost even more troubling. If you can't make a clear statement on something like this, there is a big problem in cognitive ability.

You have a very good point, and I can see your way. But he said there's only two ways out. Which means you either go use the gun to stop being a victim or you kill yourself to stop being a victim

21 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Read the whole sentence, not just the last part. The qualifiers are important. "When you are a bully victim AND A COWARD, your options are suicide or revenge".

 

That's a hard AND statement. If he just said "When you are a bully victim, your options are suicide or revenge" that would be different.

 

But who knows. I'm just trying to figure out this puzzle.

The whole part where he says and a coward I think is referencing that he felt like a coward for not confronting it at the time. I really hope this guy can get help

20 hours ago, LA Grant said:

 

The bullying was addressed. The players were separated. Richie was punished by the NFL and Martin got a fresh start. 

 

Incognito is a scumbag for many reasons, but even with his bullying of Martin, he has nothing to do with Martin's actions here. He did not make Martin buy a shotgun or post that image with those words. 

God, you sound like a total pansy

[ndirish1978]

 

18 hours ago, DC Tom said:

It's pretty clear from the phrasing Martin wasn't making a statement on bullying, he was making a statement on COWARDICE...that the coward's way out of bullying is to shoot up a school.  He wasn't issuing a threat, he was calling the shooters cowards.

 

Has everyone really become this obtuse.

 

You're an idiot

[DC Tom]

1 minute ago, ndirish1978 said:

 

 

You're an idiot

 

Okay, so everyone has become this obtuse.  Good to know.