racketmaster Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Could keeping Tyrod as the bridge qb also make sense from the compensatory pick formula side of things? I mean it should help in that the Bills would not have to sign another free agent veteran qb this year and then we would lose Tyrod next year in free agency. Beane wants to play the comp system better than we have in the past and this may be one of those smart moves to help tilt the comp system in our favor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 13 minutes ago, richardb1952 said: Here is a somewhat interesting idea. Trade TT to Browns for Kizer. WHAT? Kizer was a 2nd round pick last year and while he didn't have a great year, he was a rookie. 6' 4", 230 lbs, Strong arm, capable runner. Lots of potential. I do not know how he compares to this years QB crop but I am sure others on this forum can offer expertise. Bills would still need a bridge QB but Maybe that would be a way to go and use the draft capital to build the foundation for a contending team for years to come. Obviously not straight up but I don’t hate the idea of Kizer in the fold. Kizer though would require Cousins (or maybe Keenum) to me though. He can be the young guy that maybe develops behind the vet. He’s not a substitute for a draft pick though. If the Bills sign Keenum (for example), I’m not opposed to Tyrod and a 5th for Kizer and a 3rd (or something like that). I wouldn’t love the situation but it would make sense for both teams. I still prefer the trade up for a top guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Detective Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 hour ago, richardb1952 said: Here is a somewhat interesting idea. Trade TT to Browns for Kizer. WHAT? Kizer was a 2nd round pick last year and while he didn't have a great year, he was a rookie. 6' 4", 230 lbs, Strong arm, capable runner. Lots of potential. I do not know how he compares to this years QB crop but I am sure others on this forum can offer expertise. Bills would still need a bridge QB but Maybe that would be a way to go and use the draft capital to build the foundation for a contending team for years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) IMO that LA game showed McD lost the team for that game because they stood behind Tyrod and not the coaches choice to change. The same will happen when McD trys again to put a new 1st round rookie in over Tyrod. Vets stick together, Tyrod has a bunch of friends on this team. He needs to go for the greater good of our rookie QBs. Edited February 27, 2018 by xRUSHx 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardb1952 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Obviously not straight up but I don’t hate the idea of Kizer in the fold. Kizer though would require Cousins (or maybe Keenum) to me though. He can be the young guy that maybe develops behind the vet. He’s not a substitute for a draft pick though. If the Bills sign Keenum (for example), I’m not opposed to Tyrod and a 5th for Kizer and a 3rd (or something like that). I wouldn’t love the situation but it would make sense for both teams. I still prefer the trade up for a top guy. Kizer was considered to be the 4th best QB in 2017 Class partly based on only 2 years experience, and some other factors. He should not have been the starter for Browns last year, but he became the starter because the alternatives were pretty abysmal. It obviously depends on if the Bills see any potential in him to be a possible franchise QB in the future. If the Bills were to trade TT for Kizer, the Bills would be getting him on a rookie contract, he already has NFL experience so they have film in which to evaluate him. Browns would be getting a seasoned starter in TT while the QB they draft could be learning. Some draft analysts compared Kizer to Rothlesberger. I don't know that the Bills would see him that way. I don't see Cousins coming to Bills and I don't know that Keenum would be interested in a 2 - 3 year contract. One way or the other, the Bills still need a Vet starter. Kizer, Peterman, a Transitional vet. They can all compete in Training Camp and may the best QB win. I just see Kizer as an interesting alternative to moving up in the draft to grab a QB that will require a lot of draft capital. I also think Kizer could be viewed as maybe the fifth QB in this upcoming draft if he had come out this year. He does have some very interesting upside. BTW...That was a funny clip from Buffalo Bills Detective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 put yourself in another GM's shoes... IF you are interested in Tyrod why would you want to give up an asset AND be stuck with the contract the Bills negotiated with him when you know he'll be free eventually? You can sign him to your own deal and keep your draft pick. There isn't a team out there that NEEDS him that badly. Plenty might be interested at a low price that Tyrod is not going to like. That's essentially what happened last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, richardb1952 said: Kizer was considered to be the 4th best QB in 2017 Class partly based on only 2 years experience, and some other factors. He should not have been the starter for Browns last year, but he became the starter because the alternatives were pretty abysmal. It obviously depends on if the Bills see any potential in him to be a possible franchise QB in the future. If the Bills were to trade TT for Kizer, the Bills would be getting him on a rookie contract, he already has NFL experience so they have film in which to evaluate him. Browns would be getting a seasoned starter in TT while the QB they draft could be learning. Some draft analysts compared Kizer to Rothlesberger. I don't know that the Bills would see him that way. I don't see Cousins coming to Bills and I don't know that Keenum would be interested in a 2 - 3 year contract. One way or the other, the Bills still need a Vet starter. Kizer, Peterman, a Transitional vet. They can all compete in Training Camp and may the best QB win. I just see Kizer as an interesting alternative to moving up in the draft to grab a QB that will require a lot of draft capital. I also think Kizer could be viewed as maybe the fifth QB in this upcoming draft if he had come out this year. He does have some very interesting upside. BTW...That was a funny clip from Buffalo Bills Detective. I think Kizer would be no higher than a 3rd in this draft (especially after an uneasy rookie year). I like his chances of developing more than Peterman’s but I’m certainly not ready to make him the “next guy.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 2 hours ago, xRUSHx said: IMO that LA game showed McD lost the team for that game because they stood behind Tyrod and not the coaches choice to change. The same will happen when McD trys again to put a new 1st round rookie in over Tyrod. Vets stick together, Tyrod has a bunch of friends on this team. He needs to go for the greater good of our rookie QBs. You are high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardb1952 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 30 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I think Kizer would be no higher than a 3rd in this draft (especially after an uneasy rookie year). I like his chances of developing more than Peterman’s but I’m certainly not ready to make him the “next guy.” I agree. Doubt anyone in this draft class could have helped the Browns last year, and I certainly wouldn't crown kizer as "the guy". But if Browns, and Giants decide to go QB, Bills might want to evaluate whether using a lot of draft capital to get the 3rd best QB this year has more upside than someone like Kizer. Of course the big challenge here is that FA starts before the draft, and no one really knows what the Browns and Giants are planning. Just to be clear, I have no preference one way or the other regarding Kizer. I was just thinking that Browns might be interested in trading Kizer if they decide to take a QB early and would be interested in a one year option on a bridge QB like TT. I do think someone like daboll might be interested in a QB like Kizer who has a strong arm, can run and is not afraid to stand in the pocket to deliver a pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said: You are high. https://www.thefootballfeed.com/nfl-news/he-literally-didn-t-block-me-chargers-bosa-mic-d-up-vs-bills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Gugny said: https://www.thefootballfeed.com/nfl-news/he-literally-didn-t-block-me-chargers-bosa-mic-d-up-vs-bills Yeah, that's not the first time Mills has sucked. If you're suggesting that Mills, or any other player, intentionally threw the first half of that game because of loyalty to Tyrod, or some other similar conspiracy theory, you're as high as xRushx. The Bills were a rudderless ship with Peterman at the helm. I'm sure, from your other posts, that you'd love to put that on Tyrod (or McD, or the entire rest of the team, perhaps). I don't. I put it on Peterman. They looked like a different team in the second half. Edited February 27, 2018 by Rocky Landing 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 8 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said: Yeah, that's not the first time Mills has sucked. If you're suggesting that Mills, or any other player, intentionally threw the first half of that game because of loyalty to Tyrod, or some other similar conspiracy theory, you're as high as xRushx. The Bills were a rudderless ship with Peterman at the helm. I'm sure, from your other posts, that you'd love to put that on Tyrod (or McD, or the entire rest of the team, perhaps). I don't. I put it on Peterman. They looked like a different team in the second half. It's not a suggestion as much as it is calling out the obvious. Flutie 2.0 did his job dividing the locker room and it showed in that Chargers game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 9 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said: Yeah, that's not the first time Mills has sucked. If you're suggesting that Mills, or any other player, intentionally threw the first half of that game because of loyalty to Tyrod, or some other similar conspiracy theory, you're as high as xRushx. The Bills were a rudderless ship with Peterman at the helm. I'm sure, from your other posts, that you'd love to put that on Tyrod (or McD, or the entire rest of the team, perhaps). I don't. I put it on Peterman. They looked like a different team in the second half. gug and rush have both come out and stated before they thought the bills line threw that game...... its honestly just dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Stank_Nasty said: gug and rush have both come out and stated before they thought the bills line threw that game...... its honestly just dumb. And the Tyrod excuses continue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, xRUSHx said: And the Tyrod excuses continue what the hell does what I said have to do with tyrod or how is it an excuse? get a grip man. you've lost it. can somebody seriously be this ignorant? its honestly impressive! Edited February 27, 2018 by Stank_Nasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Just now, xRUSHx said: And the Tyrod excuses continue This is amazing. We're just making excuses for Taylor in that first half. In which he didn't play. And Peterman played historically bad football. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Stank_Nasty said: what the hell does what I said have to do with tyrod or how is it an excuse? get a grip man. you've lost it. can somebody seriously be this ignorant? its honestly impressive! I love that “the offensive line intentionally threw the 1st half” isn’t an excuse. It is one of the most ridiculous “justifications” that I have ever seen on this board. Ha ha, it MAY be dumber than Mario for Skelton. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: what the hell does what I said have to do with tyrod or how is it an excuse? get a grip man. you've lost it. can somebody seriously be this ignorant? its honestly impressive! The talk was about how the team threw the game to support Tyrod over Peterman. You called it dumb to suggest the team wouldn't do that even though there is evidence of different. Now you call me ignorant, does calling names make you feel powerful? Pretty impressive how the COT resorts to name calling all the time whenever they do not like a conversation against there saviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Stank_Nasty said: what the hell does what I said have to do with tyrod or how is it an excuse? get a grip man. you've lost it. can somebody seriously be this ignorant? its honestly impressive! you're the entertaining one here. thin skinned and always seems upset by the anti taylor crowd. popcorn can never run out with the entertainment you provide. I see blood pressure meds in your future unless of course you already take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Just now, xRUSHx said: The talk was about how the team threw the game to support Tyrod over Peterman. You called it dumb to suggest the team wouldn't do that even though there is evidence of different. Now you call me ignorant, does calling names make you feel powerful? Pretty impressive how the COT resorts to name calling all the time whenever they do not like a conversation against there saviour. dude..... how exactly does saying the team didn't throw that game = an excuse for tyrod? that literally makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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