P51 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) This is my current top 10 for the offensive and defensive side of the ball as I have it broken down so far. Separately, my current top 55 Big Board. Feedback is always appreciated, as positive as possible, if you'd like to know my thoughts I will respond as soon as I can, if not have a nice weekend! I included my initial grades, many of which are inflated at this point and subject to change upon further review. 2018 NFL Draft Position Rankings v1.0 QB 1 – Baker Mayfield (QB – Oklahoma) Grade: Top 10 2 – Sam Darnold (QB – U.S.C.) Grade: Top 10 3 – Josh Rosen (QB – U.C.L.A.)(Med) Grade: Top 5 4 – Josh Allen (QB – Wyoming) Grade: 2nd Round 5 – Riley Ferguson (QB – Memphis) Grade: 2nd Round 6 – Lamar Jackson (QB/WR – Louisville) Grade: 2nd Round 7 – Mason Rudolph (QB – Ok. St.) Grade: 2nd Round 8 – Mike White (QB – W. Kentucky) Grade: 4th Round 9 – Luke Faulk (QB – Washington St.) Grade: 4th Round 10 – Kyle Lauletta (QB – Richmond) Grade: 5th Round RB 1 – Saquon Barkley (RB – Penn St.) Grade: Top 5 2 – Sonny Michel (RB – Georgia) Grade: Top 10 3 – Darrius Guice (RB – L.S.U.) Grade: Top 20 4 – Ronald Jones II (RB – U.S.C.) Grade: 1st 5 – Ito Smith (RB – S. Miss.) Grade: 1st Round 6 – Rashaad Penny (RB – S.D. St.) Grade: 2nd Round 7 – Kalen Ballage (RB – Arizona St.) Grade: 2nd Round 8 – Royce Freeman (RB – Oregon) Grade: 2nd Round 9 – Kerryon Johnson (RB – Auburn) Grade: 2nd Round 10 – Darrell Williams (RB – L.S.U.) Grade: 3rd Round WR 1 – James Washington (WR – Ok. St.) Grade: Top 20 2 – Calvin Ridley (WR – Alabama) Grade: Top 20 3 – Courtland Sutton (WR – S.M.U.) Grade: 1st Round 4 – Christian Kirk (WR – Texas A & M) Grade: 1st Round 5 – Desean Hamilton (WR – Penn. St.) Grade: 2nd Round 6 – D.J. Moore (WR – Maryland) Grade: 2nd Round 7 – Simmie Cobbs Jr. (WR – Indiana) Grade: 2nd Round 8 – Marcell Ateman (WR – Ok. St.) Grade: 2nd Round 9 – Allen Lazard (WR – Iowa St.) Grade: 2nd Round 10 – Jaleel Scott (WR – N. Mexico St.) Grade: 2nd Round TE 1 – Mark Andrews (TE – Oklahoma) Grade: 2nd Round 2 – Dallas Goedert (TE – S. Dakota St.) Grade: 2nd Round 3 – Hayden Hurst (TE – S. Carolina) Grade: 2nd Round 4 – Dalton Schultz (TE – Stanford) Grade: 2nd Round 5 – Mike Gesicki (TE – Penn. St.) Grade: 3rd Round 6 – Troy Fumagalli (TE – Wisconsin) Grade: 3rd Round 7 – Durham Smythe (TE – Notre Dame) Grade: 4th Round 8 – Ryan Izzo (TE – F.S.U.) Grade: 5th Round 9 – Adam Breneman (TE – U. Mass.) Grade: 5th Round 10 – Ian Thomas (TE – Indiana) Grade: 6th Round T 1 – Kolton Miller (LT/T – U.C.L.A.) Grade: Top 20 2 – Orlando Brown (RT/T – Oklahoma) Grade: Top 20 3 – Mike McGlinchey (RT/T – Notre Dame) Grade: Top 20 4 – Desmond Harrison (RT/T – W. Georgia)(Off) Grade: 1st Round 5 – Chukwuma Okorafor (LT/T – W. Michigan) Grade: 2nd Round 6 – Connor Williams (LT/T – Texas)(Off) Grade: 2nd Round 7 – Alex Cappa (RT – Humboldt St.) Grade: 2nd Round 8 – Brian O’Neil (LT/T – Pitt.) Grade: 2nd Round 9 – Tyrell Crosby (RT – Oregon) Grade: 2nd Round 10 – Martinas Rankin (LT/T – Miss. St.) Grade: 3rd Round G 1 – Quenton Neslon (LG – Notre Dame) Grade: Top 5 2 – Isaiah Wynn (LG/T – Georgia) Grade: Top 20 3 – Will Hernandez (LG/G – U.T.E.P.) Grade: 1st Round 4 – Brendan Smith (G – Auburn) Grade: 2nd Round 5 – Maea Teuhema (S.E. Louisiana) Grade: 2nd Round 6 – Cody Gossett (RG – Appalachain St.) Grade: 3rd Round 7 – Taylor Hearn (G – Clemson) Grade: 4th Round 8 – Skylar Phillips (G – Idaho St.) Grade: 4th Round 9 – Brendon Mahon (LG/G – Penn St.) Grade: 4th Round 10 – Beau Benzschawel (RG – Wisconsin) Grade: 5th Round C 1 – Billy Price (C/G – O.S.U.) Grade: 1st Round 2 – James Daniels (C – Iowa) Grade: 2nd Round 3 – Frank Ragnow (C/G – Arkansas)(Med) Grade: 2nd Round 4 – Austin Corbett (C/G/T – Nevada) Grade: 3rd Round 5 – Bradley Bozeman (C – Alabama) Grade: 3rd Round 6 – Mason Cole (C – Michigan) Grade: 3rd Round 7 – Will Clapp (C/G – L.S.U.) Grade: 3rd Round 8 – Tony Adams (C – N.C. St.) Grade: 3rd Round 9 – Sean Welsh (C/G – Iowa) Grade: 5th Round 10 – Brain Allen (C – Michigan St.) Grade: 7th Round DE 1 – Bradley Chubb (43DE – N.C. St.) Grade: Top 10 2 – Marcus Davenport (43DE – U.T.S.A.) Grade: Top 20 3 – Arden Key (Edge/43DE – L.S.U.)(Off/Med) Grade: Top 20 4 – Sam Hubbard (43DE – O.S.U.) Grade: 2nd Round 5 – Da’Shawn Hand (DE/3DT – Alabama) Grade: 2nd Round 6 – Breeland Speaks (DE/3DT – Ole Miss.) Grade: 2nd Round 7 – Marcell Frazier (43DE – Mizzu) Grade: 3rd round 8 – Jeff Holland (43DE/DPR – Auburn) Grade: 4th Round 9 – Duke Ejiofor (43DE – Wake Forrest) Grade: 4th Round 10 – Chad Thomas (43DE – U. Miami) Grade: 4th Round DT 1 – Da’Ron Payne (DT – Alabama) Grade: Top 10 2 – Maurice Hurst (3DT – Michigan) Grade: Top 20 3 – Vita Vea (NDT – Washington) Grade: Top 20 4 – Harrison Phillips (DT – Stanford) Grade: 1st Round 5 – Andrew Brown (3DT – Virginia) Grade: 2nd Round 6 – Tavern Bryan (3DT – Florida) Grade: 2nd Round 7 – Derrick Nnadi (NDT – F.S.U.) Grade: 2nd Round 8 – Rasheem Green (3DT/DPR – U.S.C.) Grade: 3rd Round 9 – Tim Settle (NDT – Va. Tech) Grade: 3rd Round 10 – R.J. McIntosh (3DT – Miami) Grade: 4th Round OLB (Off Ball) 1 – Roquan Smith (WLB/ILB – Georgia) Grade: Top 20 2 – Rashaan Evans (LB – Alabama) Grade: Top 20 3 – Darius Leonard (WLB – S. Carolina St.) Grade: 1st Round 4 – Dorian O’Daniel (WLB – Clemson) Grade: 1st Round 5 – Airius Moore (LB – N.C. St.) Grade: 2nd Round 6 – Tegrey Scales (LB – Indiana) Grade: 2nd Round 7 – Josey Jewell (SLB/LB – Iowa)(Med) Grade: 2nd Round 8 – Oren Burks (SLB/ILB – Vanderbilt) Grade: 3rd Round 9 – Shaquem Griffin (OLB – U.C.F.) Grade: 4th Round 10 – Jerome Baker (LB/ST – O.S.U.) Grade: 5th Round OLB (Edge) 1 – Tremaine Edmunds (Edge/LB – Va. Tech.) Grade: Top 10 2 – Harold Landry (OLB/Edge – B.C.) Grade: Top 20 3 – Ogbonnia Okoronkwo (OLB/Edge – Oklahoma) Grade: 2nd Round 4 – Uchenna Nwosu (Edge/SLB – U.S.C.) Grade: 2nd Round 5 – Dorance Armstrong Jr. (Edge/DPR – Kansas) Grade: 2nd Round 6 – Hercules Mata’afa (Edge/SLB – Washington St.) Grade: 3rd Round 7 – Olasunkanmi Adeniyi (OLB/DPR – Toledo) Grade: 3rd Round 8 – Marquis Haynes (OLB/DPR – Ole Miss.) Grade: 4th Round 9 – Lorenzo Carter (OLB/DPR – Georgia) Grade: 4th Round 10 – Josh Sweat (OLB/DPR – F.S.U.)(Med) Grade: 5th Round ILB 1 – Leighton Vander Esch (ILB/SLB – Boise St.) Grade: 2nd Round 2 – Malik Jefferson (ILB – Texas) Grade: 2nd Round 3 – Micah Kiser (ILB – Virginia) Grade: 3rd Round 4 – Jack Cichy (ILB/SLB – Wisconsin) Grade: 3rd Round 5 – James Hearns (ILB/SLB – Louisville) Grade: 3rd Round 6 – Christian Sam (ILB – Arizona St.) Grade: 4th Round 7 – Shaun Dion Hamilton (ILB – Alabama)(Med) Grade: 4th Round 8 – Sione Teuhema (ILB/SLB/Edge – S.E. Louisiana) Grade: 4th Round 9 – Nick DeLuca (ILB/ST – N. Dakota St.) Grade: 4th Round 10 – Joel Lanning (ILB/ST – Iowa St.) Grade: 5th Round SS 1 – Derwin James (SS/FS – F.S.U.) Grade: Top 10 2 – Ronnie Harrison (SS – Alabama) Grade: 1st Round 3 – Justin Reid (SS/FS/NCB – Stanford) Grade: Grade: 2nd Round 4 – Kyzer White (SS – W. Virginia) Grade: 3rd Round 5 – Terrell Edmunds (SS –Va. Tech) Grade: 3rd Round FS 1 – Minkah Fitzpatrick (FS/CB – Alabama) Grade: Top 5 2 – DeShon Elliott (FS- Texas) Grade: 2nd Round 3 – Jordan Whitehead (FS/SS – Pitt.) Grade: 2nd Round 4 – Quin Blanding (FS/SS – Virginia) Grade: 3rd Round 5 – Dominick Sanders (FS – Georgia) Grade: 4th Round CB 1 – Joshua Jackson (CB – Iowa) Grade: Top 10 2 – Denzel Ward (CB – O.S.U.) Grade: Top 20 3 – Mike Hughes (CB – U.C.F.) Grade: 1st Round 4 – Jalen Davis (NCB/CB – Utah St.) Grade: 2nd Round 5 – Isaiah Oliver (CB – Colorado) Grade: 2nd Round 6 – Kameron Kelly (CB/SS – San Diego St.) Grade: 2nd Round 7 – Jaire Alexander (CB – Louisville) Grade: 2nd Round 8 – Levi Wallace (CB – Alabama) Grade: 2nd Round 9 – M.J. Stewart (CB – N.Carolina) Grade: 3rd Round 10 – Holton Hill (CB – Texas) Grade: 3rd Round Top 55 Big Board V1.0 1 – Saquon Barkley (RB – Penn St.) Grade: Top 5 2 – Quenton Neslon (LG – Notre Dame) Grade: Top 5 3 – Minkah Fitzpatrick (FS/CB – Alabama) Grade: Top 5 4 – Bradley Chubb (43DE – N.C. St.) Grade: Top 10 5 – Baker Mayfield (QB – Oklahoma) Grade: Top 10 6 – Sam Darnold (QB – U.S.C.) Grade: Top 10 7 – Tremaine Edmunds (Edge/LB – Va. Tech.) Grade: Top 10 8 – Josh Rosen (QB – U.C.L.A.)(Med) Grade: Top 5 9 – Da’Ron Payne (DT – Alabama) Grade: Top 10 10 – Derwin James (SS/FS – F.S.U.) Grade: Top 10 11 – Sonny Michel (RB – Georgia) Grade: Top 10 12 – Joshua Jackson (CB – Iowa) Grade: Top 10 13 – Marcus Davenport (43DE – U.T.S.A.) Grade: Top 20 14 – Roquan Smith (WLB/ILB – Georgia) Grade: Top 20 15 – Denzel Ward (CB – O.S.U.) Grade: Top 20 16 – Rashaan Evans (LB – Alabama) Grade: Top 20 17 – Darrius Guice (RB – L.S.U.)(Med) Grade: Top 20 18 – Kolton Miller (LT/T – U.C.L.A.) Grade: Top 20 19 – Isaiah Wynn (LG/T – Georgia) Grade: Top 20 20 – Maurice Hurst (3DT – Michigan) Grade: Top 20 21 – Vita Vea (NDT – Washington) Grade: Top 20 22 – James Washington (WR – Ok. St.) Grade: Top 20 23 – Orlando Brown (RT/T – Oklahoma) Grade: Top 20 24 – Arden Key (Edge/43DE – L.S.U.)(Off/Med) Grade: Top 20 25 – Harold Landry (OLB/Edge – B.C.) Grade: Top 20 26 – Mike McGlinchey (RT/T – Notre Dame) Grade: Top 20 27 – Calvin Ridley (WR – Alabama) Grade: Top 20 28 – Mike Hughes (CB – U.C.F.) Grade: 1st Round 29 – Billy Price (C/G – O.S.U.) Grade: 1st Round 30 – Ronald Jones II (RB – U.S.C.) Grade: 1st Round 31 – Darius Leonard (WLB – S. Carolina St.) Grade: 1st Round 32 – Dorian O’Daniel (WLB/SS – Clemson) Grade: 1st Round 33 – Desmond Harrison (RT/T – W. Georgia)(Off) Grade: 1st Round 34 – Will Hernandez (LG/G – U.T.E.P.) Grade: 1st Round 35 – Harrison Phillips (DT – Stanford) Grade: 1st Round 36 – Ito Smith (RB – S. Miss.) Grade: 1st Round 37 – Courtland Sutton (WR – S.M.U.) Grade: 1st Round 38 – Ronnie Harrison (SS – Alabama) Grade: 1st Round 39– Christian Kirk (WR – Texas A & M) Grade: 1st Round 40 – Josh Allen (QB – Wyoming) Grade: 2nd Round 41 – Ogbonnia Okoronkwo (OLB/Edge – Oklahoma) Grade: 2nd Round 42 – Ito Smith (RB – S. Miss.) Grade: 1st Round 43 – Leighton Vander Esch (ILB/SLB – Boise St.) Grade: 2nd Round 44 – Jalen Davis (NCB – Utah St.) Grade: 2nd Round 45 – Uchenna Nwosu (Edge/SLB – U.S.C.) Grade: 2nd Round 46 – Rashaad Penny (RB – S.D. St.) Grade: 2nd Round 47 – Desean Hamilton (WR – Penn. St.) Grade: 2nd Round 48 – Justin Reid (SS/FS/NCB – Stanford) Grade: Grade: 2nd Round 49 – DeShon Elliott (FS- Texas) Grade: 2nd Round 50 – James Daniels (C – Iowa) Grade: 2nd Round 51 – Airius Moore (LB – N.C. St.) Grade: 2nd Round 52 – Mark Andrews (TE – Oklahoma) Grade: 2nd Round 53 – Isaiah Oliver (CB – Colorado) Grade: 2nd Round 54 – Brian O’Neil (LT/T – Pitt.) Grade: 2nd Round 55 – Dallas Goedert (TE – S. Dakota St.) Grade: 2nd Round Edited February 5, 2018 by P51 Big Board spacing additional 3 mocks 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 So, if I'm understanding correctly, you think Rosen is the best QB in the class, but you have medical concerns that push him down to 3rd? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Good stuff man! A few opinions of my own: - I have Lamar and Falk rated higher than you, and Allen graded lower - Orlando Brown is one of the toughest evaluations in the draft. He really looks the part most of the time, but low-built ends are going to eat him alive IMO. - Bad year to need a pass rusher and be outside of the top 10. I have Chad Thomas rated much higher than you, but it's a JPP-type rate-him-based-on-potential ranking. I think he's an ideal fit for what McDermott would want in a DE. Size, length, explosion, relentless motor. - Thank you for separating LBs according to their real positions in the NFL. I think a lot of the off-ball OLBs you have are great fits for nickel 'backers in our scheme. I also think that Darius Leonard is going to go on day 2, and that he deserves to go on day 1. - I think Derwin is a safety all day; I've seen some folks saying that he can play corner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P51 Posted February 2, 2018 Author Share Posted February 2, 2018 2 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: So, if I'm understanding correctly, you think Rosen is the best QB in the class, but you have medical concerns that push him down to 3rd? You are correct sir. The grade is attribute based, I haven’t figure the medical in yet, but it’s a certain cause for concern for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P51 Posted February 2, 2018 Author Share Posted February 2, 2018 3 hours ago, thebandit27 said: Good stuff man! A few opinions of my own: - I have Lamar and Falk rated higher than you, and Allen graded lower - Orlando Brown is one of the toughest evaluations in the draft. He really looks the part most of the time, but low-built ends are going to eat him alive IMO. - Bad year to need a pass rusher and be outside of the top 10. I have Chad Thomas rated much higher than you, but it's a JPP-type rate-him-based-on-potential ranking. I think he's an ideal fit for what McDermott would want in a DE. Size, length, explosion, relentless motor. - Thank you for separating LBs according to their real positions in the NFL. I think a lot of the off-ball OLBs you have are great fits for nickel 'backers in our scheme. I also think that Darius Leonard is going to go on day 2, and that he deserves to go on day 1. - I think Derwin is a safety all day; I've seen some folks saying that he can play corner Thank you, I appreciate it! Re your opinions (which are always welcome): - Lamar is killing me; my advanced notes from the last two years sound like high school puppy love, this year not so much. I’m waiting a couple weeks and revisiting him all together. Faulk looks amazing some plays and like absolute trash other times and has his fair share of aweful decisions I’m going to wait a while and come back to him with some fresh eyes as well. I get the Allen hesitation by anyone, he’s a projection for sure, I thought he showed some touch later in the Senior Bowl week, but there is a lot of work there no doubt and probably 2 years before he is remotely close to ready. The payoff could be something special. - I agree with your thoughts on Brown. - This Pass Rushing class is not deep at all, Key who is the best pure PR In the class when right IMO, has issues to be dealt with and sorted (20-32) is his sweat spot right now as I see it given the risk. Love Davenport, and Chubb a little less, regardless both at gone top 10. I have Edmunds projecting there to help fill the void as a realistic option and Landry is a scheme specific type and needs a plan, reminds me of Hughes and not many Hughes types make it. Hubbard is really over rated IMO. - To have Thomas rated higher is a JPP like projection without a doubt, he needs a combine like that to go day 1, maybe 2 (highest imo) to make it happen. Where do you have him? I want to like him, but every time I watch him I come away disappointed, leaves too many plays on the field IMO, but I see the McD fit, Jerome McDougle? I haven’t seen the motor yet, maybe I’m watching him too intently. - Your welcome, it’s a great year for WLBs and sub package guys imo as well, and Leonard should go round 1, Odaniel is really growing on me as well, made big strides this year vs last. - Derwin can play Either safety, but I think the closer to the line the better. CB? I’m not there yet, I can see why some say yes. The comps athletically and projection wise with Ramsey I feel are off stacking them vs each other, IMO Derwin is better going forward and Ramsey is great going backward with his back to the ball and at... well everything in general. Derwin is going to be be good regardless. I’ll try to look at him as a corner specifically and see what I think next week, I haven’t seen the inate feeling in coverage, almost hesitant. I think All Pro safety is more likely than a move to CB at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 ....great work bud....so now take all of your assessment work and craft your Bills mock round by round............... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Any chance McD sees Rasheem Green as DE with DT versatility? His skillset seems similar to Chad Thomas' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 P51, Terrific job! It's obvious that you put in a tremendous amount of work in this endeavor. Your listing is something I can refer to as the draft process advances. While you have trepidations on Lamar Jackson, I don't. Without question he will need more developmental time than the top three qb prospects. It's my belief that he would be worth drafting with one of our current first round picks. Although Rosen may be the most pro ready and appealing I would take Mayfield or Darnold over him. I'm not sure Rosen is a good fit for the town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 8 hours ago, P51 said: This is my current top 10 for the offensive and defensive side of the ball as I have it broken down so far. Separately, my current top 55 Big Board. Feedback is always appreciated, as positive as possible, if you'd like to know my thoughts I will respond as soon as I can, if not have a nice weekend! I included my initial grades, many of which are inflated at this point and subject to change upon further review. 2018 NFL Draft Position Rankings v1.0 QB 1 – Baker Mayfield (QB – Oklahoma) Grade: Top 10 2 – Sam Darnold (QB – U.S.C.) Grade: Top 10 3 – Josh Rosen (QB – U.C.L.A.)(Med) Grade: Top 5 4 – Josh Allen (QB – Wyoming) Grade: 2nd Round 5 – Riley Ferguson (QB – Memphis) Grade: 2nd Round 6 – Lamar Jackson (QB/WR – Louisville) Grade: 2nd Round 7 – Mason Rudolph (QB – Ok. St.) Grade: 2nd Round 8 – Mike White (QB – W. Kentucky) Grade: 4th Round 9 – Luke Faulk (QB – Washington St.) Grade: 4th Round 10 – Kyle Lauletta (QB – Richmond) Grade: 5th Round RB 1 – Saquon Barkley (RB – Penn St.) Grade: Top 5 2 – Sonny Michel (RB – Georgia) Grade: Top 10 3 – Darrius Guice (RB – L.S.U.) Grade: Top 20 4 – Ronald Jones II (RB – U.S.C.) Grade: 1st 5 – Ito Smith (RB – S. Miss.) Grade: 1st Round 6 – Rashaad Penny (RB – S.D. St.) Grade: 2nd Round 7 – Kalen Ballage (RB – Arizona St.) Grade: 2nd Round 8 – Royce Freeman (RB – Oregon) Grade: 2nd Round 9 – Kerryon Johnson (RB – Auburn) Grade: 2nd Round 10 – Darrell Williams (RB – L.S.U.) Grade: 3rd Round WR 1 – James Washington (WR – Ok. St.) Grade: Top 20 2 – Calvin Ridley (WR – Alabama) Grade: Top 20 3 – Courtland Sutton (WR – S.M.U.) Grade: 1st Round 4 – Christian Kirk (WR – Texas A & M) Grade: 1st Round 5 – Desean Hamilton (WR – Penn. St.) Grade: 2nd Round 6 – D.J. Moore (WR – Maryland) Grade: 2nd Round 7 – Simmie Cobbs Jr. (WR – Indiana) Grade: 2nd Round 8 – Marcell Ateman (WR – Ok. St.) Grade: 2nd Round 9 – Allen Lazard (WR – Iowa St.) Grade: 2nd Round 10 – Jaleel Scott (WR – N. Mexico St.) Grade: 2nd Round TE 1 – Mark Andrews (TE – Oklahoma) Grade: 2nd Round 2 – Dallas Goedert (TE – S. Dakota St.) Grade: 2nd Round 3 – Hayden Hurst (TE – S. Carolina) Grade: 2nd Round 4 – Dalton Schultz (TE – Stanford) Grade: 2nd Round 5 – Mike Gesicki (TE – Penn. St.) Grade: 3rd Round 6 – Troy Fumagalli (TE – Wisconsin) Grade: 3rd Round 7 – Durham Smythe (TE – Notre Dame) Grade: 4th Round 8 – Ryan Izzo (TE – F.S.U.) Grade: 5th Round 9 – Adam Breneman (TE – U. Mass.) Grade: 5th Round 10 – Ian Thomas (TE – Indiana) Grade: 6th Round T 1 – Kolton Miller (LT/T – U.C.L.A.) Grade: Top 20 2 – Orlando Brown (RT/T – Oklahoma) Grade: Top 20 3 – Mike McGlinchey (RT/T – Notre Dame) Grade: Top 20 4 – Desmond Harrison (RT/T – W. Georgia)(Off) Grade: 1st Round 5 – Chukwuma Okorafor (LT/T – W. Michigan) Grade: 2nd Round 6 – Connor Williams (LT/T – Texas)(Off) Grade: 2nd Round 7 – Alex Cappa (RT – Humboldt St.) Grade: 2nd Round 8 – Brian O’Neil (LT/T – Pitt.) Grade: 2nd Round 9 – Tyrell Crosby (RT – Oregon) Grade: 2nd Round 10 – Martinas Rankin (LT/T – Miss. St.) Grade: 3rd Round G 1 – Quenton Neslon (LG – Notre Dame) Grade: Top 5 2 – Isaiah Wynn (LG/T – Georgia) Grade: Top 20 3 – Will Hernandez (LG/G – U.T.E.P.) Grade: 1st Round 4 – Brendan Smith (G – Auburn) Grade: 2nd Round 5 – Maea Teuhema (S.E. Louisiana) Grade: 2nd Round 6 – Cody Gossett (RG – Appalachain St.) Grade: 3rd Round 7 – Taylor Hearn (G – Clemson) Grade: 4th Round 8 – Skylar Phillips (G – Idaho St.) Grade: 4th Round 9 – Brendon Mahon (LG/G – Penn St.) Grade: 4th Round 10 – Beau Benzschawel (RG – Wisconsin) Grade: 5th Round C 1 – Billy Price (C/G – O.S.U.) Grade: 1st Round 2 – James Daniels (C – Iowa) Grade: 2nd Round 3 – Frank Ragnow (C/G – Arkansas)(Med) Grade: 2nd Round 4 – Austin Corbett (C/G/T – Nevada) Grade: 3rd Round 5 – Bradley Bozeman (C – Alabama) Grade: 3rd Round 6 – Mason Cole (C – Michigan) Grade: 3rd Round 7 – Will Clapp (C/G – L.S.U.) Grade: 3rd Round 8 – Tony Adams (C – N.C. St.) Grade: 3rd Round 9 – Sean Welsh (C/G – Iowa) Grade: 5th Round 10 – Brain Allen (C – Michigan St.) Grade: 7th Round DE 1 – Bradley Chubb (43DE – N.C. St.) Grade: Top 10 2 – Marcus Davenport (43DE – U.T.S.A.) Grade: Top 20 3 – Arden Key (Edge/43DE – L.S.U.)(Off/Med) Grade: Top 20 4 – Sam Hubbard (43DE – O.S.U.) Grade: 2nd Round 5 – Da’Shawn Hand (DE/3DT – Alabama) Grade: 2nd Round 6 – Breeland Speaks (DE/3DT – Ole Miss.) Grade: 2nd Round 7 – Marcell Frazier (43DE – Mizzu) Grade: 3rd round 8 – Jeff Holland (43DE/DPR – Auburn) Grade: 4th Round 9 – Duke Ejiofor (43DE – Wake Forrest) Grade: 4th Round 10 – Chad Thomas (43DE – U. Miami) Grade: 4th Round DT 1 – Da’Ron Payne (DT – Alabama) Grade: Top 10 2 – Maurice Hurst (3DT – Michigan) Grade: Top 20 3 – Vita Vea (NDT – Washington) Grade: Top 20 4 – Harrison Phillips (DT – Stanford) Grade: 1st Round 5 – Andrew Brown (3DT – Virginia) Grade: 2nd Round 6 – Tavern Bryan (3DT – Florida) Grade: 2nd Round 7 – Derrick Nnadi (NDT – F.S.U.) Grade: 2nd Round 8 – Rasheem Green (3DT/DPR – U.S.C.) Grade: 3rd Round 9 – Tim Settle (NDT – Va. Tech) Grade: 3rd Round 10 – R.J. McIntosh (3DT – Miami) Grade: 4th Round OLB (Off Ball) 1 – Roquan Smith (WLB/ILB – Georgia) Grade: Top 20 2 – Rashaan Evans (LB – Alabama) Grade: Top 20 3 – Darius Leonard (WLB – S. Carolina St.) Grade: 1st Round 4 – Dorian O’Daniel (WLB – Clemson) Grade: 1st Round 5 – Airius Moore (LB – N.C. St.) Grade: 2nd Round 6 – Tegrey Scales (LB – Indiana) Grade: 2nd Round 7 – Josey Jewell (SLB/LB – Iowa)(Med) Grade: 2nd Round 8 – Oren Burks (SLB/ILB – Vanderbilt) Grade: 3rd Round 9 – Shaquem Griffin (OLB – U.C.F.) Grade: 4th Round 10 – Jerome Baker (LB/ST – O.S.U.) Grade: 5th Round OLB (Edge) 1 – Tremaine Edmunds (Edge/LB – Va. Tech.) Grade: Top 10 2 – Harold Landry (OLB/Edge – B.C.) Grade: Top 20 3 – Ogbonnia Okoronkwo (OLB/Edge – Oklahoma) Grade: 2nd Round 4 – Uchenna Nwosu (Edge/SLB – U.S.C.) Grade: 2nd Round 5 – Dorance Armstrong Jr. (Edge/DPR – Kansas) Grade: 2nd Round 6 – Hercules Mata’afa (Edge/SLB – Washington St.) Grade: 3rd Round 7 – Olasunkanmi Adeniyi (OLB/DPR – Toledo) Grade: 3rd Round 8 – Marquis Haynes (OLB/DPR – Ole Miss.) Grade: 4th Round 9 – Lorenzo Carter (OLB/DPR – Georgia) Grade: 4th Round 10 – Josh Sweat (OLB/DPR – F.S.U.)(Med) Grade: 5th Round ILB 1 – Leighton Vander Esch (ILB/SLB – Boise St.) Grade: 2nd Round 2 – Malik Jefferson (ILB – Texas) Grade: 2nd Round 3 – Micah Kiser (ILB – Virginia) Grade: 3rd Round 4 – Jack Cichy (ILB/SLB – Wisconsin) Grade: 3rd Round 5 – James Hearns (ILB/SLB – Louisville) Grade: 3rd Round 6 – Christian Sam (ILB – Arizona St.) Grade: 4th Round 7 – Shaun Dion Hamilton (ILB – Alabama)(Med) Grade: 4th Round 8 – Sione Teuhema (ILB/SLB/Edge – S.E. Louisiana) Grade: 4th Round 9 – Nick DeLuca (ILB/ST – N. Dakota St.) Grade: 4th Round 10 – Joel Lanning (ILB/ST – Iowa St.) Grade: 5th Round SS 1 – Derwin James (SS/FS – F.S.U.) Grade: Top 10 2 – Ronnie Harrison (SS – Alabama) Grade: 1st Round 3 – Justin Reid (SS/FS/NCB – Stanford) Grade: Grade: 2nd Round 4 – Kyzer White (SS – W. Virginia) Grade: 3rd Round 5 – Terrell Edmunds (SS –Va. Tech) Grade: 3rd Round FS 1 – Minkah Fitzpatrick (FS/CB – Alabama) Grade: Top 5 2 – DeShon Elliott (FS- Texas) Grade: 2nd Round 3 – Jordan Whitehead (FS/SS – Pitt.) Grade: 2nd Round 4 – Quin Blanding (FS/SS – Virginia) Grade: 3rd Round 5 – Dominick Sanders (FS – Georgia) Grade: 4th Round CB 1 – Joshua Jackson (CB – Iowa) Grade: Top 10 2 – Denzel Ward (CB – O.S.U.) Grade: Top 20 3 – Mike Hughes (CB – U.C.F.) Grade: 1st Round 4 – Jalen Davis (NCB/CB – Utah St.) Grade: 2nd Round 5 – Isaiah Oliver (CB – Colorado) Grade: 2nd Round 6 – Kameron Kelly (CB/SS – San Diego St.) Grade: 2nd Round 7 – Jaire Alexander (CB – Louisville) Grade: 2nd Round 8 – Levi Wallace (CB – Alabama) Grade: 2nd Round 9 – M.J. Stewart (CB – N.Carolina) Grade: 3rd Round 10 – Holton Hill (CB – Texas) Grade: 3rd Round Top 55 Big Board V1.0 1 – Saquon Barkley (RB – Penn St.) Grade: Top 5 2 – Quenton Neslon (LG – Notre Dame) Grade: Top 5 3 – Minkah Fitzpatrick (FS/CB – Alabama) Grade: Top 5 4 – Bradley Chubb (43DE – N.C. St.) Grade: Top 10 5 – Baker Mayfield (QB – Oklahoma) Grade: Top 10 6 – Sam Darnold (QB – U.S.C.) Grade: Top 10 7 – Tremaine Edmunds (Edge/LB – Va. Tech.) Grade: Top 10 8 – Josh Rosen (QB – U.C.L.A.)(Med) Grade: Top 5 9 – Da’Ron Payne (DT – Alabama) Grade: Top 10 10 – Derwin James (SS/FS – F.S.U.) Grade: Top 10 11 – Sonny Michel (RB – Georgia) Grade: Top 10 12 – Joshua Jackson (CB – Iowa) Grade: Top 10 13 – Marcus Davenport (43DE – U.T.S.A.) Grade: Top 20 14 – Roquan Smith (WLB/ILB – Georgia) Grade: Top 20 15 – Denzel Ward (CB – O.S.U.) Grade: Top 20 16 – Rashaan Evans (LB – Alabama) Grade: Top 20 17 – Darrius Guice (RB – L.S.U.)(Med) Grade: Top 20 18 – Kolton Miller (LT/T – U.C.L.A.) Grade: Top 20 19 – Isaiah Wynn (LG/T – Georgia) Grade: Top 20 20 – Maurice Hurst (3DT – Michigan) Grade: Top 20 21 – Vita Vea (NDT – Washington) Grade: Top 20 22 – James Washington (WR – Ok. St.) Grade: Top 20 23 – Orlando Brown (RT/T – Oklahoma) Grade: Top 20 24 – Arden Key (Edge/43DE – L.S.U.)(Off/Med) Grade: Top 20 25 – Harold Landry (OLB/Edge – B.C.) Grade: Top 20 26 – Mike McGlinchey (RT/T – Notre Dame) Grade: Top 20 27 – Calvin Ridley (WR – Alabama) Grade: Top 20 28 – Mike Hughes (CB – U.C.F.) Grade: 1st Round 29 – Billy Price (C/G – O.S.U.) Grade: 1st Round 30 – Ronald Jones II (RB – U.S.C.) Grade: 1st Round 31 – Darius Leonard (WLB – S. Carolina St.) Grade: 1st Round 32 – Dorian O’Daniel (WLB/SS – Clemson) Grade: 1st Round 33 – Desmond Harrison (RT/T – W. Georgia)(Off) Grade: 1st Round 34 – Will Hernandez (LG/G – U.T.E.P.) Grade: 1st Round 35 – Harrison Phillips (DT – Stanford) Grade: 1st Round 36 – Ito Smith (RB – S. Miss.) Grade: 1st Round 37 – Courtland Sutton (WR – S.M.U.) Grade: 1st Round 38 – Ronnie Harrison (SS – Alabama) Grade: 1st Round 39– Christian Kirk (WR – Texas A & M) Grade: 1st Round 40 – Josh Allen (QB – Wyoming) Grade: 2nd Round 41 – Ogbonnia Okoronkwo (OLB/Edge – Oklahoma) Grade: 2nd Round 42 – Ito Smith (RB – S. Miss.) Grade: 1st Round 43 – Leighton Vander Esch (ILB/SLB – Boise St.) Grade: 2nd Round 44 – Jalen Davis (NCB – Utah St.) Grade: 2nd Round 45 – Uchenna Nwosu (Edge/SLB – U.S.C.) Grade: 2nd Round 46 – Rashaad Penny (RB – S.D. St.) Grade: 2nd Round 47 – Desean Hamilton (WR – Penn. St.) Grade: 2nd Round 48 – Justin Reid (SS/FS/NCB – Stanford) Grade: Grade: 2nd Round 49 – DeShon Elliott (FS- Texas) Grade: 2nd Round 50 – James Daniels (C – Iowa) Grade: 2nd Round 51 – Airius Moore (LB – N.C. St.) Grade: 2nd Round 52 – Mark Andrews (TE – Oklahoma) Grade: 2nd Round 53 – Isaiah Oliver (CB – Colorado) Grade: 2nd Round 54 – Brian O’Neil (LT/T – Pitt.) Grade: 2nd Round 55 – Dallas Goedert (TE – S. Dakota St.) Grade: 2nd Round Most every one looks in order. Big fan of Vander Esch hope we can get him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY315 Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 4 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....great work bud....so now take all of your assessment work and craft your Bills mock round by round............... Interested in this as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P51 Posted February 3, 2018 Author Share Posted February 3, 2018 16 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....great work bud....so now take all of your assessment work and craft your Bills mock round by round............... 12 hours ago, CNY315 said: Interested in this as well I can do that, I’ll work one today, maybe three (lol) a Cousins one, a FA bridge QB version and a non-FA Qb one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 Just now, P51 said: I can do that, I’ll work one today, maybe three (lol) a Cousins one, a FA bridge QB version and a non-FA Qb one. ....EXCELLENT....MUCH appreciated and thanks for your work!........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P51 Posted February 3, 2018 Author Share Posted February 3, 2018 16 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Any chance McD sees Rasheem Green as DE with DT versatility? His skillset seems similar to Chad Thomas' I think so, I almost put him in the DE group and probably should have similarly to Hand and Speaks both of whom would have to lose or hold their current weight to do so for a 43 front like McD plays but I could see McD liking that versatility and using any of the three in as base ends then sliding them inside an NASCAR like package or just as an 3 tech. The Thomas similarity is interesting I had not thought about that... I don’t know if Thomas has that ability.... Initially on him I would say no, but your now the 3rd person to bring him up to me and I’m going to have to rewatch or watch more on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 Listen, this post was absolutely outstanding. Tell me, are you a closet Alabama Fan? I see that you have Payne graded in the top 10. Imo this was a daring yet accurate projection. After the title game, people now know how athletic he is. He is also lightening fast in close quarters and as strong as an ox. I hope he lasts long enough for the Bills to draft. All of the mocks love Minkah, but most omit Ronnie Harrison from the 1st round. I have been watching football even before Ronnie Lott and I'm telling you that Harrison hits as hard as any safety has in decades. He can cover, blitz, and is great against the run. Trust me, I loathe drafting 1st round defensive backs as a rule, but RH is going to win football games for his NFL team. Good call! A quick word about Bama LBs: Coach Saban says that many of the LBs who now excel on the Tide might not have made the team several years ago because they would have been thought of as too small. This group they have now will leave school pro-ready because they excel at coverage. I hope that Shaun Dion-Hamilton does last until round 4, even if we had to wait for him to return to 100%. And, you properly list Da'Shaun Hand as a DE and he might be a great one. He is huge, and he sure has fresh legs whereas he sat a lot on Bama, but I have a hunch that he would be a standout DT in a 4/3. Just a hunch. Once again, thanks for a great, well thought post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 On 2/2/2018 at 2:13 PM, P51 said: This is my current top 10 for the offensive and defensive side of the ball as I have it broken down so far. Separately, my current top 55 Big Board. Feedback is always appreciated, as positive as possible, if you'd like to know my thoughts I will respond as soon as I can, if not have a nice weekend! I included my initial grades, many of which are inflated at this point and subject to change upon further review. 2018 NFL Draft Position Rankings v1.0 Really nice work, thanks. One thing it points out are the deeper positions, for example, you have 10 WRs projected as round one or two, DTs go a bit deeper etc. Appreciate you putting this together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 10 hours ago, Bill from NYC said: Listen, this post was absolutely outstanding. Tell me, are you a closet Alabama Fan? I see that you have Payne graded in the top 10. Imo this was a daring yet accurate projection. After the title game, people now know how athletic he is. He is also lightening fast in close quarters and as strong as an ox. I hope he lasts long enough for the Bills to draft. All of the mocks love Minkah, but most omit Ronnie Harrison from the 1st round. I have been watching football even before Ronnie Lott and I'm telling you that Harrison hits as hard as any safety has in decades. He can cover, blitz, and is great against the run. Trust me, I loathe drafting 1st round defensive backs as a rule, but RH is going to win football games for his NFL team. Good call! A quick word about Bama LBs: Coach Saban says that many of the LBs who now excel on the Tide might not have made the team several years ago because they would have been thought of as too small. This group they have now will leave school pro-ready because they excel at coverage. I hope that Shaun Dion-Hamilton does last until round 4, even if we had to wait for him to return to 100%. And, you properly list Da'Shaun Hand as a DE and he might be a great one. He is huge, and he sure has fresh legs whereas he sat a lot on Bama, but I have a hunch that he would be a standout DT in a 4/3. Just a hunch. Once again, thanks for a great, well thought post. Bill, What the hell has happened to you? The Gotham Bill I once knew would be revolted with the idea of drafting a DB in the first round. Even the suggestion of it would set you off fuming at how the Bills have no clue on how to build the roster because of their proclivity for drafting defensive backs. What has gotten into you???!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 On 2/2/2018 at 6:40 PM, BuffaloHokie13 said: Any chance McD sees Rasheem Green as DE with DT versatility? His skillset seems similar to Chad Thomas' Absolutely. Green is very Charles Johnson-like physically, but I don't see the same EDGE ability (lacks the bend IMO) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Costa Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Great job with this ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 17 hours ago, JohnC said: Bill, What the hell has happened to you? The Gotham Bill I once knew would be revolted with the idea of drafting a DB in the first round. Even the suggestion of it would set you off fuming at how the Bills have no clue on how to build the roster because of their proclivity for drafting defensive backs. What has gotten into you???!!! The Bills do not seem to need a safety, let alone a 1st rounder. I don't want a first round corner either. As always, I want QBs, OL, Pass Rushing DEs and LBs. I do however think that Harrison will get drafted by a team that picks late and make some huge plays. John, he reminds me of Atwater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: The Bills do not seem to need a safety, let alone a 1st rounder. I don't want a first round corner either. As always, I want QBs, OL, Pass Rushing DEs and LBs. I do however think that Harrison will get drafted by a team that picks late and make some huge plays. John, he reminds me of Atwater. I know you and others are tired of hearing my repetitive lament. If the Bills don't come out of this draft with a high end qb prospect I will be rampaging against the regime. The time is now, not tomorrow. Two of my favorite players in this draft are DT Harrison Phillips from Stanford and Da'ron Payne from Bama. I'll be happy with either one. I think Payne is going to be selected higher up the board. Edited February 4, 2018 by JohnC 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P51 Posted February 5, 2018 Author Share Posted February 5, 2018 Bills mock V1.0 Sign FA “Franchise” QB – Kirk Cousins (20%). Draft 1 RD 1; 21 – Rashaan Evans (LB – Alabama) RD 1; 22 – Harrison Phillips (DT – Stanford) RD 2; 53 – Leighton Vander Esch (ILB/SLB – Boise St.) RD 2; 56 – Desmond Harrison (RT/T – W. Georgia)(Off) Rd 3; 95 – Chad Thomas (43DE – U. Miami) RD 4; 117 - Bradley Bozeman (C – Alabama) RD 5; 149 – Darrell Williams (RB – L.S.U.) RD 5; 157 – D.J. Chark (WR/ST – L.S.U.) Sign FA QB – Bridge (or Keep T.T. if needed as Bridge) (30%). Draft 2 RD 1; 21– Rashaan Evans (LB – Alabama) RD 1; 22 – James Washington (WR – Ok. St.) RD 2; 53 – Mason Rudolph (QB – Ok. St.) RD 2; 56 – Sam Hubbard (43DE – O.S.U.) Rd 3; 95 – Rasheem Green (3DT/DPR – U.S.C.) RD 4; 117 – Bradley Bozeman (C – Alabama) RD 5; 149 – Darrell Williams (RB – L.S.U.) RD 5; 157 – Shaquem Griffin (OLB – U.C.F.) No FA QB – Draft only (50%) Draft 3 RD 1; 1 – Cleveland – Baker Mayfield (QB – Oklahoma) RD 1; 2 – N.Y.G. – Josh Rosen (QB – U.C.L.A.)(Med) RD 1; 3 – Indianapolis – Bradley Chubb (43DE – N.C. St.) RD 1; 4 – Cleveland (via. Houston) - Saquon Barkley (RB – Penn St.) *Trade* Denver signs QB – Kirk Cousins in FA and trades the 5th pick (1700 pts) to Buffalo for picks 21, 22, 53 in the 2018 draft (1920 pts) and a 2019 4th round pick (higher of the two). Analysis: John Elway does not want to develop a QB, Cousins coming in and the need to reshape the roster in Denver allows the Bronco’s to trade the 5th pick to get a needed infusion of some cost controlled youth on their roster. Denver gets 220+ points or the equivalent of a 3rd round (74th pick) in this trade and a 2019 4th round pick as additional sweeteners. Buffalo gets the 5th pick, Denver gets 2 – 1sts, a 2nd, a 3rd (equivalent/+220 pts draft value) and 2019 4th round picks. RD 1; 5 – Buffalo (via. Denver) - Sam Darnold (QB – U.S.C.) RD 2; 56 - Leighton Vander Esch (ILB/SLB – Boise St.) Rd 3; 95 – Chad Thomas (43DE – U. Miami) RD 4; 117 – Bradley Bozeman (C – Alabama) RD 5; 149 – Kentavius Street (3DT – N.C. St.) RD 5; 157 – D.J. Chark (WR/ST – L.S.U.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 44 minutes ago, P51 said: Bills mock V1.0 Sign FA “Franchise” QB – Kirk Cousins (20%). Draft 1 RD 1; 21 – Rashaan Evans (LB – Alabama) RD 1; 22 – Harrison Phillips (DT – Stanford) RD 2; 53 – Leighton Vander Esch (ILB/SLB – Boise St.) RD 2; 56 – Desmond Harrison (RT/T – W. Georgia)(Off) Rd 3; 95 – Chad Thomas (43DE – U. Miami) RD 4; 117 - Bradley Bozeman (C – Alabama) RD 5; 149 – Darrell Williams (RB – L.S.U.) RD 5; 157 – D.J. Chark (WR/ST – L.S.U.) Sign FA QB – Bridge (or Keep T.T. if needed as Bridge) (30%). Draft 2 RD 1; 21– Rashaan Evans (LB – Alabama) RD 1; 22 – James Washington (WR – Ok. St.) RD 2; 53 – Mason Rudolph (QB – Ok. St.) RD 2; 56 – Sam Hubbard (43DE – O.S.U.) Rd 3; 95 – Rasheem Green (3DT/DPR – U.S.C.) RD 4; 117 – Bradley Bozeman (C – Alabama) RD 5; 149 – Darrell Williams (RB – L.S.U.) RD 5; 157 – Shaquem Griffin (OLB – U.C.F.) No FA QB – Draft only (50%) Draft 3 RD 1; 1 – Cleveland – Baker Mayfield (QB – Oklahoma) RD 1; 2 – N.Y.G. – Josh Rosen (QB – U.C.L.A.)(Med) RD 1; 3 – Indianapolis – Bradley Chubb (43DE – N.C. St.) RD 1; 4 – Cleveland (via. Houston) - Saquon Barkley (RB – Penn St.) *Trade* Denver signs QB – Kirk Cousins in FA and trades the 5th pick (1700 pts) to Buffalo for picks 21, 22, 53 in the 2018 draft (1920 pts) and a 2019 4th round pick (higher of the two). Analysis: John Elway does not want to develop a QB, Cousins coming in and the need to reshape the roster in Denver allows the Bronco’s to trade the 5th pick to get a needed infusion of some cost controlled youth on their roster. Denver gets 220+ points or the equivalent of a 3rd round (74th pick) in this trade and a 2019 4th round pick as additional sweeteners. Buffalo gets the 5th pick, Denver gets 2 – 1sts, a 2nd, a 3rd (equivalent/+220 pts draft value) and 2019 4th round picks. RD 1; 5 – Buffalo (via. Denver) - Sam Darnold (QB – U.S.C.) RD 2; 56 - Leighton Vander Esch (ILB/SLB – Boise St.) Rd 3; 95 – Chad Thomas (43DE – U. Miami) RD 4; 117 – Bradley Bozeman (C – Alabama) RD 5; 149 – Kentavius Street (3DT – N.C. St.) RD 5; 157 – D.J. Chark (WR/ST – L.S.U.) Interesting various scenarios. I just don't see Buffalo signing Cousins while I do see Denver more likely to do so, and then trading the pick. If that is the case then I see us taking Mayfield because I think Rosen and Darnold would be gone. If we get any of the three top rated qbs I would be more than happy. Mayfield may not be the most prototypical qb but I lean toward him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P51 Posted February 5, 2018 Author Share Posted February 5, 2018 (edited) On 2/3/2018 at 11:47 AM, Bill from NYC said: Listen, this post was absolutely outstanding. Tell me, are you a closet Alabama Fan? I see that you have Payne graded in the top 10. Imo this was a daring yet accurate projection. After the title game, people now know how athletic he is. He is also lightening fast in close quarters and as strong as an ox. I hope he lasts long enough for the Bills to draft. All of the mocks love Minkah, but most omit Ronnie Harrison from the 1st round. I have been watching football even before Ronnie Lott and I'm telling you that Harrison hits as hard as any safety has in decades. He can cover, blitz, and is great against the run. Trust me, I loathe drafting 1st round defensive backs as a rule, but RH is going to win football games for his NFL team. Good call! A quick word about Bama LBs: Coach Saban says that many of the LBs who now excel on the Tide might not have made the team several years ago because they would have been thought of as too small. This group they have now will leave school pro-ready because they excel at coverage. I hope that Shaun Dion-Hamilton does last until round 4, even if we had to wait for him to return to 100%. And, you properly list Da'Shaun Hand as a DE and he might be a great one. He is huge, and he sure has fresh legs whereas he sat a lot on Bama, but I have a hunch that he would be a standout DT in a 4/3. Just a hunch. Once again, thanks for a great, well thought post. Thank you, and I think I might be?? At least when it comes to their prospects for the NFL... Geaux Tigers!!! Payne unfortunately wont last to the BIlls IMO, if he's not the 1st DT taken in this draft, someone is making a big mistake, 3-Down monster. If he's there at 21 and the Bills are picking I'd like to see a swift immediate walk to the podium myself. He's the biggest mover on my board in the last 2 months. I have the same grade on him as I had on Donald, and I could see it going higher, I agree with you assessment on him 100%, his quickness in a phone booth is special. Bama had maybe their best NFL able defense ever this year, the secondary as a whole was special, Minkah and RH should both go in the first, Harrison can be as special as you say, I have about the same grade as I had on Landon Collins coming out and I think Harrison is better in coverage at this point in their respective draft process, I think today he's a better prospect because of that aspect. SDH is a guy I went with my advanced notes on and need to go back and evaluate further, you could be right, he'd be a nice get in the 4th from what I have seen of him. Hand is pure boom or bust, he flashes when I watch others, but blends in at times as well, why did he sit so much? Edited February 6, 2018 by P51 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 1 hour ago, P51 said: Draft 3 RD 1; 1 – Cleveland – Baker Mayfield (QB – Oklahoma) RD 1; 2 – N.Y.G. – Josh Rosen (QB – U.C.L.A.)(Med) RD 1; 3 – Indianapolis – Bradley Chubb (43DE – N.C. St.) RD 1; 4 – Cleveland (via. Houston) - Saquon Barkley (RB – Penn St.) *Trade* Denver signs QB – Kirk Cousins in FA and trades the 5th pick (1700 pts) to Buffalo for picks 21, 22, 53 in the 2018 draft (1920 pts) and a 2019 4th round pick (higher of the two). Analysis: John Elway does not want to develop a QB, Cousins coming in and the need to reshape the roster in Denver allows the Bronco’s to trade the 5th pick to get a needed infusion of some cost controlled youth on their roster. Denver gets 220+ points or the equivalent of a 3rd round (74th pick) in this trade and a 2019 4th round pick as additional sweeteners. Buffalo gets the 5th pick, Denver gets 2 – 1sts, a 2nd, a 3rd (equivalent/+220 pts draft value) and 2019 4th round picks. RD 1; 5 – Buffalo (via. Denver) - Sam Darnold (QB – U.S.C.) RD 2; 56 - Leighton Vander Esch (ILB/SLB – Boise St.) Rd 3; 95 – Chad Thomas (43DE – U. Miami) RD 4; 117 – Bradley Bozeman (C – Alabama) RD 5; 149 – Kentavius Street (3DT – N.C. St.) RD 5; 157 – D.J. Chark (WR/ST – L.S.U.) Not definitive by any means, but I ran this scenario 5 times on fanspeak using Matt Miller's board. Denver accepted 5/5 times. 5: R1P5 QB JOSH ROSEN - UCLA (x3) QB SAM DARNOLD - USC QB BAKER MAYFIELD - OKLAHOMA 56: R2P24 LB LEIGHTON VANDER ESCH - BOISE STATE (x2) C BILLY PRICE - OHIO STATE G ISAIAH WYNN - GEORGIA TE MARK ANDREWS - OKLAHOMA 96: R3P32 DL TIM SETTLE - VIRGINIA TECH (x2) RB JOSH ADAMS - NOTRE DAME WR JAMES WASHINGTON - OKLAHOMA STATE EDGE JOSH SWEAT - FLORIDA STATE 123: R4P21 WR ANTHONY MILLER - MEMPHIS EDGE DUKE EJIOFOR - WAKE FOREST DL JUSTIN JONES - NC STATE (x2) DL KENDRICK NORTON - MIAMI 160: R5P21 LB MICAH KISER - VIRGINIA (x2) LB JACK CICHY - WISCONSIN WR TRE'QUAN SMITH - CENTRAL FLORIDA LB SKAI MOORE - SOUTH CAROLINA 168: R5P29 RB BO SCARBROUGH - ALABAMA WR DAESEAN HAMILTON - PENN STATE (x2) LB MICAH KISER - VIRGINIA WR BRAXTON BERRIOS - MIAMI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P51 Posted February 6, 2018 Author Share Posted February 6, 2018 On 2/2/2018 at 7:40 PM, JohnC said: P51, Terrific job! It's obvious that you put in a tremendous amount of work in this endeavor. Your listing is something I can refer to as the draft process advances. While you have trepidations on Lamar Jackson, I don't. Without question he will need more developmental time than the top three qb prospects. It's my belief that he would be worth drafting with one of our current first round picks. Although Rosen may be the most pro ready and appealing I would take Mayfield or Darnold over him. I'm not sure Rosen is a good fit for the town. On 2/3/2018 at 7:39 PM, Cripple Creek said: Really nice work, thanks. One thing it points out are the deeper positions, for example, you have 10 WRs projected as round one or two, DTs go a bit deeper etc. Appreciate you putting this together. Thank you guys. John C - It is time consuming and a lot of work, I do enjoy it and have for a long time. Lamar Jackson is certainly someone I need to put more time in with some fresh eyes, Im going to wait until after the combine at least. Rosen might not be a good fit, but if himself, Mayfield or Rosen fall to the 4th or 5th pick and a reasonable deal can be made should they not get a franchise QB in FA I would jump all over it, Rosen would actually be the last of the 3 I would pick based on his medical history, the town fit? Maybe not great, but I think he's a guy who speaks his mind, and that I can deal with. What about him do you think would not mesh well with Buffalo? Creek - Appreciate you, the wide receiver position this year is a big group, lots of jump ball guys (6'4"+) and bigger physical (6'1"ish guys), not a great year for slot receivers, but the group is very deep, im only about 20 in and IMO they all are draftable, its a deep group. The DT's have some nice well rounded guys at the top, but nice depth in terms of being run or pass game specific. The RB group is really deep again, the QB pool is deep with depth at the top, and Ilike the CB group into the 4th-5th round. One thing that I found interesting is the TE group, they are all so similar in physical stature and playing style, yet no elite level athletes or dominate blockers, the position has changed and this group exemplifies IMO where the position has evolved to, mismatches based more on size and positioning, than much else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 ....GREAT job P51.........top notch and a helluva lot of work....glad you don't charge us by the hour............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P51 Posted February 6, 2018 Author Share Posted February 6, 2018 18 hours ago, JohnC said: Interesting various scenarios. I just don't see Buffalo signing Cousins while I do see Denver more likely to do so, and then trading the pick. If that is the case then I see us taking Mayfield because I think Rosen and Darnold would be gone. If we get any of the three top rated qbs I would be more than happy. Mayfield may not be the most prototypical qb but I lean toward him. I certainly agree that signing Cousins is least likely and him going to Denver IMO makes a ton of sense in the trade scenerio I have here, I think it makes a ton of sense for both teams and looking at the situation objectively for both teams, I dont think the situation slants towards one team more than the other. Plus my good friend who is a Bronco's die hard approved it! Personally, I agree with Mayfield who I believe at this point is the #1 QB in the draft, despite my thinking that he is probably #3 on most teams boards. Im really interested to hear how the interview process goes for the 3 of them. 17 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Not definitive by any means, but I ran this scenario 5 times on fanspeak using Matt Miller's board. Denver accepted 5/5 times. 5: R1P5 QB JOSH ROSEN - UCLA (x3) QB SAM DARNOLD - USC QB BAKER MAYFIELD - OKLAHOMA 56: R2P24 LB LEIGHTON VANDER ESCH - BOISE STATE (x2) C BILLY PRICE - OHIO STATE G ISAIAH WYNN - GEORGIA TE MARK ANDREWS - OKLAHOMA 96: R3P32 DL TIM SETTLE - VIRGINIA TECH (x2) RB JOSH ADAMS - NOTRE DAME WR JAMES WASHINGTON - OKLAHOMA STATE EDGE JOSH SWEAT - FLORIDA STATE 123: R4P21 WR ANTHONY MILLER - MEMPHIS EDGE DUKE EJIOFOR - WAKE FOREST DL JUSTIN JONES - NC STATE (x2) DL KENDRICK NORTON - MIAMI 160: R5P21 LB MICAH KISER - VIRGINIA (x2) LB JACK CICHY - WISCONSIN WR TRE'QUAN SMITH - CENTRAL FLORIDA LB SKAI MOORE - SOUTH CAROLINA 168: R5P29 RB BO SCARBROUGH - ALABAMA WR DAESEAN HAMILTON - PENN STATE (x2) LB MICAH KISER - VIRGINIA WR BRAXTON BERRIOS - MIAMI Interesting validation (FWIW) from Fanspeak, I do think its a fair trade for both teams with Denver getting the value worth moving down, while not by any means handcuffing Buffalo's draft, this year or the next. 5: R1P5 - Any of the 3 QB's. 56: R2P24 - ILB LEIGHTON VANDER ESCH - BOISE STATE (Dont think Price or Wynn make it, value would be fantastic though! and Vander Esch is a great pick.) 96: R3P32 - DL TIM SETTLE - VIRGINIA TECH (IMO Washington is long gone by the 3rd round, pass on Adams for me, in the 3rd and Sweat could work, but I was at the WBHS/Oscar Smith high school game he got hurt in and he's never been the same IMO, I was sitting in front of his family with a friend in town for the game and it was bad, why he was in on special teams (Xpt) like that, Ill never know.) 123: R4P21 - EDGE DUKE EJIOFOR - WAKE FOREST 160: R5P21 - SLB JACK CICHY - WISCONSIN 168: R5P29 - RB BO SCARBROUGH - ALABAMA This would be a fine draft IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 On 2/5/2018 at 2:21 PM, P51 said: Thank you, and I think I might be?? At least when it comes to their prospects for the NFL... Geaux Tigers!!! Payne unfortunately wont last to the BIlls IMO, if he's not the 1st DT taken in this draft, someone is making a big mistake, 3-Down monster. If he's there at 21 and the Bills are picking I'd like to see a swift immediate walk to the podium myself. He's the biggest mover on my board in the last 2 months. I have the same grade on him as I had on Donald, and I could see it going higher, I agree with you assessment on him 100%, his quickness in a phone booth is special. Bama had maybe their best NFL able defense ever this year, the secondary as a whole was special, Minkah and RH should both go in the first, Harrison can be as special as you say, I have about the same grade as I had on Landon Collins coming out and I think Harrison is better in coverage at this point in their respective draft process, I think today he's a better prospect because of that aspect. SDH is a guy I went with my advanced notes on and need to go back and evaluate further, you could be right, he'd be a nice get in the 4th from what I have seen of him. Hand is pure boom or bust, he flashes when I watch others, but blends in at times as well, why did he sit so much? Hand sat mainly because of the talent on last season's Crimson Tide defense. You see I respectfully disagree and think that last year's defense was far better than this one. Clemson beat them fair and square. I want to make this clear but the Tide had some tremendous defensive players hurt. Ryan Anderson once said that Hand was the fastest lineman on the team. He might be but he doesn't get an especially quick start (which is why I see him as a 4/3 DT). Hey, the kid is a monster. He might have been the top recruit overall, if not he was close. He does, as you say, appear to be boom or bust. I look forward to your projections about the next Alabama class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 36 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: I look forward to your projections about the next Alabama class. I call dibs on the next 'linebacker plays behind stud DL, isn't actually good' narrative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 On 2/6/2018 at 9:05 AM, P51 said: I certainly agree that signing Cousins is least likely and him going to Denver IMO makes a ton of sense in the trade scenerio I have here, I think it makes a ton of sense for both teams and looking at the situation objectively for both teams, I dont think the situation slants towards one team more than the other. Plus my good friend who is a Bronco's die hard approved it! Personally, I agree with Mayfield who I believe at this point is the #1 QB in the draft, despite my thinking that he is probably #3 on most teams boards. Im really interested to hear how the interview process goes for the 3 of them. Interesting validation (FWIW) from Fanspeak, I do think its a fair trade for both teams with Denver getting the value worth moving down, while not by any means handcuffing Buffalo's draft, this year or the next. 5: R1P5 - Any of the 3 QB's. 56: R2P24 - ILB LEIGHTON VANDER ESCH - BOISE STATE (Dont think Price or Wynn make it, value would be fantastic though! and Vander Esch is a great pick.) 96: R3P32 - DL TIM SETTLE - VIRGINIA TECH (IMO Washington is long gone by the 3rd round, pass on Adams for me, in the 3rd and Sweat could work, but I was at the WBHS/Oscar Smith high school game he got hurt in and he's never been the same IMO, I was sitting in front of his family with a friend in town for the game and it was bad, why he was in on special teams (Xpt) like that, Ill never know.) 123: R4P21 - EDGE DUKE EJIOFOR - WAKE FOREST 160: R5P21 - SLB JACK CICHY - WISCONSIN 168: R5P29 - RB BO SCARBROUGH - ALABAMA This would be a fine draft IMO. Nice work OP. I would be cool with any of the top 3. Im surprised some boards have Allen ahead of Mayfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 On February 3, 2018 at 11:01 AM, P51 said: I can do that, I’ll work one today, maybe three (lol) a Cousins one, a FA bridge QB version and a non-FA Qb one. Where do you see Keane going? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P51 Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 12 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: Where do you see Keane going? Tyler Keane from Coastal Carolina im guessing? I think he's a UDFA position switch to WR/ST, similarly to J. Edelman. He has some nice QB skills, but I dont see the translation to the next level, he deep ball range looks like a maxed out 40 yards, he only had one or two tight window throws that I can remember and I dont recall him moving off his primary read and moving through his progressions at all when I watched him, unless he was under duress and he had to move out of the pocket and his eyes were forced to shift focus. Climbs the pocket and has a good feel for pressure moving well around the pocket as well. Accuracy is shaky. I havent see a lot of him, but I think his athletic testing will be vital for him to get any real shot at the league as a WR/ST player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 12 hours ago, P51 said: Tyler Keane from Coastal Carolina im guessing? I think he's a UDFA position switch to WR/ST, similarly to J. Edelman. He has some nice QB skills, but I dont see the translation to the next level, he deep ball range looks like a maxed out 40 yards, he only had one or two tight window throws that I can remember and I dont recall him moving off his primary read and moving through his progressions at all when I watched him, unless he was under duress and he had to move out of the pocket and his eyes were forced to shift focus. Climbs the pocket and has a good feel for pressure moving well around the pocket as well. Accuracy is shaky. I havent see a lot of him, but I think his athletic testing will be vital for him to get any real shot at the league as a WR/ST player. Thanks. I think he is intriguing as he is a lefty and we did trade up for a right tackle last year. Two step plan all along? He has battled injuries and could fly under the radar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 No Nick Chubb, Hercules Mata'afa or Anthony Miller in top 50? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P51 Posted April 13, 2018 Author Share Posted April 13, 2018 5 hours ago, Pete said: No Nick Chubb, Hercules Mata'afa or Anthony Miller in top 50? This was from 2 months ago, but I’m updating it now, offense is updated, working on D and am on offball and mikes now with DBs still to go. I was hoping to put it out today, but looks like next week. Im still not top 50 on Chubb or Bad Mata’afa, but Miller maybe close, I’m doing positional rankings now, big board after, should have a top 100 next time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, P51 said: This was from 2 months ago, but I’m updating it now, offense is updated, working on D and am on offball and mikes now with DBs still to go. I was hoping to put it out today, but looks like next week. Im still not top 50 on Chubb or Bad Mata’afa, but Miller maybe close, I’m doing positional rankings now, big board after, should have a top 100 next time. Looking forward to it my friend! There are a few players that I've shifted gears on massively since January--I'll be very intrigued to see where you fall in your re-evaluation of those dudes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, P51 said: This was from 2 months ago, but I’m updating it now, offense is updated, working on D and am on offball and mikes now with DBs still to go. I was hoping to put it out today, but looks like next week. Im still not top 50 on Chubb or Bad Mata’afa, but Miller maybe close, I’m doing positional rankings now, big board after, should have a top 100 next time. 2 of Chubb, Mata'afa and Miller at 53 and 56 would be larceny IMO. I would be pumped if we could land 2 of them in round 2! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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