Big Blitz Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 I have to think they would take 21 and 22 for 13 now that they have their QB. Some mocks had them taking one. Kiper (?) had them taking Mayfield. And we absolutely could go higher. I consider pick 13 is the lowest we could trade up to and still get one of the top 4 or 5 QBs. But I still think it's crazy that many go in the top 15. In other words, if we're in love with one of the top 4, I gotta think he'll be there at 13. And with the Redskins having holes to fill would absolutely take our 2 firsts perhaps just one of them and a later pick for 13. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, Big Blitz said: I have to think they would take 21 and 22 for 13 now that they have their QB. Some mocks had them taking one. Kiper (?) had them taking Mayfield. And we absolutely could go higher. I consider pick 13 is the lowest we could trade up to and still get one of the top 4 or 5 QBs. But I still think it's crazy that many go in the top 15. In other words, if we're in love with one of the top 4, I gotta think he'll be there at 13. And with the Redskins having holes to fill would absolutely take our 2 firsts perhaps just one of them and a later pick for 13. That would be too much for jumping up 9 spots and too late to get one of the top four QBs. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 I wouldn't give both 1sts. I would give a 1st and a 2nd since we have an extra one of those as well. But 13th might only get us the 5th best QB and if they trade up and don't take a QB I might throw my tv out the window 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: That would be too much for jumping up 9 spots and too late to get one of the top four QBs. Could do what I believe the Eagles did for Wentz - 2 trades. Get to #13 with maybe #21 and one or two of the 2nds. Then trade from #13 up to #2, #3, or #4 with the other 1st and other pick(s)? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 31, 2018 Author Share Posted January 31, 2018 Also, if Cousins ends up in Denver or with the Jets, that's one less team likely to take a QB in the top 10. We want Cousins to sign with one of those teams. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 #21 and #22 together should get us up araound #7 as it is. Our #21 and our earlier 2nd rounder is enough to get up to #13 according to the chart. I like that move, and then package #13 and #22 together to move up into top 5. Assuming there are teams that want to play along. 1 minute ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: Could do what I believe the Eagles did for Wentz - 2 trades. Get to #13 with maybe #21 and one or two of the 2nds. Then trade from #13 up to #2, #3, or #4 with the other 1st and other pick(s)? Im on the same track, but if you go strictly off the chart, we end up losing points by doing that. I wonder if teams would prefer #13 and #22, OR... #21, #22, #53 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: #21 and #22 together should get us up araound #7 as it is. Our #21 and our earlier 2nd rounder is enough to get up to #13 according to the chart. I like that move, and then package #13 and #22 together to move up into top 5. Assuming there are teams that want to play along. Im on the same track, but if you go strictly off the chart, we end up losing points by doing that. I wonder if teams would prefer #13 and #22, OR... #21, #22, #53 Yeah I was just trying to estimate in my head w/o looking at the chart. And I would guess they would want #13 and #22. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, JohnBonhamRocks said: Yeah I was just trying to estimate in my head w/o looking at the chart. And I would guess they would want #13 and #22. I'd bet that we'd get an almost 50/50 split on preference. THREE picks that are (basically) in the Top 50... Up those odds of hitting on a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) Not a bad idea. It's possible someone like Mayfield will be left at 13. I worry that the 'Skins have the same idea as we did, signing a vet to groom a young draft pick behind him, and they won't want to trade down. Edited January 31, 2018 by BillsEnthusiast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: I'd bet that we'd get an almost 50/50 split on preference. THREE picks that are (basically) in the Top 50... Up those odds of hitting on a player. Would you trade #13 for #21 and #53? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 12 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: That would be too much for jumping up 9 spots and too late to get one of the top four QBs. I don't see 4 top QBs in the draft. At the most there are 2 that might justify a huge move up in the draft, though maybe none of them are worth that price. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 15 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: I have to think they would take 21 and 22 for 13 now that they have their QB. Some mocks had them taking one. Kiper (?) had them taking Mayfield. And we absolutely could go higher. I consider pick 13 is the lowest we could trade up to and still get one of the top 4 or 5 QBs. But I still think it's crazy that many go in the top 15. In other words, if we're in love with one of the top 4, I gotta think he'll be there at 13. And with the Redskins having holes to fill would absolutely take our 2 firsts perhaps just one of them and a later pick for 13. I don't think moving up 9 spots is good value for 2 1sts this year. But I could be off. Also don't think moving up 9 spots will get us our preferred QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) It still might not be for sale. Smith might be their bridge QB and they may take a QB at 13. Just because they signed Smith that doesn't mean they are not going to draft a QB early. They could very well have Allen in the plans thinking he needs to sit for two years. Edited January 31, 2018 by NewEraBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Not a bad idea. It's possible someone like Mayfield will be left at 13. I worry that the 'Skins have the same idea as we did, signing a vet to groom a young draft pick behind him, and they won't want to trade down. BE, once the details of the contract came out (4 years, high guaranteed money) that can't be the case. It would put them in Garoppolo land, having their young groomed pick ready to start with only 1 year left on his contract + an option, while they're still paying Smith starter $$ Just now, NewEraBills said: It still might not be for sale. Smith might be their bridge QB and they may take a QB at 13. Just because they signed Smith that doesn't mean they are not going to draft early. They could very well have Allen in the plans thinking he needs to sit for two years. They're paying Smith $70M guaranteed on a 4 year deal. Draft Allen, and his rookie contract will be expiring (or in its option year) and he's never played (or you're paying a Very Expensive Backup) 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Only way I give up both firsts is to trade up into the top 3 and I don't even want that to happen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 31, 2018 Author Share Posted January 31, 2018 Tampa would have to consider an offer of 21 and 22 for the 7th. I'm targeting Tampa at 7 as most likely highest trade up partner. Top 5 not impossible but I think it'd be tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I don't think moving up 9 spots is good value for 2 1sts this year. But I could be off. Also don't think moving up 9 spots will get us our preferred QB. I agree 2 1sts to move up 9 spots is absolutely terrible value and if Mayfield is the guy then we'll need to move up more than 9 spots. Same with Darnold/Rosen. Allen could be there unless people just get crazy. 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: BE, once the details of the contract came out (4 years, high guaranteed money) that can't be the case. It would put them in Garoppolo land, having their young groomed pick ready to start with only 1 year left on his contract + an option, while they're still paying Smith starter $$ They're paying Smith $70M guaranteed on a 4 year deal. Draft Allen, and his rookie contract will be expiring (or in its option year) and he's never played (or you're paying a Very Expensive Backup) Yeah but Snyder is known to waste money LOLl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 6 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: #21 and #22 together should get us up araound #7 as it is. Our #21 and our earlier 2nd rounder is enough to get up to #13 according to the chart. I like that move, and then package #13 and #22 together to move up into top 5. Assuming there are teams that want to play along. Im on the same track, but if you go strictly off the chart, we end up losing points by doing that. I wonder if teams would prefer #13 and #22, OR... #21, #22, #53 The chart is only a guide for a layperson. The market is much more dynamic the few days before and on the day the draft opens then it is supply and demand at its most basic. I think that you would have to sweeten your proposal at the top 5 and have a provision that if your guy is not there then the deal is off. Further, teams do the unexpected so don't be surprised that if the QB's are as highly prized as you maintain then teams will see the same thing and may think the opportunity is too much to pass up. I don't believe despite how much "Bills wishing" that goes on here that we can believe that Cleveland or the Giants have utterly no interest in a QB. One single pick is darn cheap insurance whether you have Cousins or Manning on the roster. By the way I believe it when I see it in terms of Cousins signing with Cleveland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 17 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: Could do what I believe the Eagles did for Wentz - 2 trades. Get to #13 with maybe #21 and one or two of the 2nds. Then trade from #13 up to #2, #3, or #4 with the other 1st and other pick(s)? Too many moving parts, IMO. You'd likely be stuck holding #13 if some other team jumps ahead of the Bills into the top 4, which ultimately would be too expensive... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CritMark Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Everyone is talking about the pick at 13. I would look at the #12 pick from Cincy. Rumors are already floating around that they would entertain a trade for a lower 1st round and a 2nd round. Obviously whose picks they are will make a big difference. The only team with a big need at QB between the Bills and Bengals is AZ. With nobody under contract I expect them to sign a veteran. Their interest in a QB, if they do that, depends on who they sign and who is still on the board. That notwithstanding, that is where I would target for a trade, be it that trade only or the first of two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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