Wayne Arnold Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, bdutton said: Cousins is hardly an improvement over Tyrod Might be the dumbest comment in this forum's history. Edited January 31, 2018 by Wayne Arnold 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: Might be the dumbest comment in this forum's history. Please! I can top that: I'll always regret the fact that we missed the opportunity to have Rob Johnson and JP Losman on this team, at the same time. Edited January 31, 2018 by dollars 2 donuts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 26 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: Might be the dumbest comment in this forum's history. i'm not sure i can think of one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bdutton Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 28 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: Might be the dumbest comment in this forum's history. 24 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: Please! I can top that: I'll always regret the fact that we missed the opportunity to have Rob Johnson and JP Losman on this team, at the same time. 1 minute ago, aristocrat said: i'm not sure i can think of one. You guys need to stop drinking the koolaide. Cousins is NOT a long term solution and would require a huge contract at the expense of improving other areas (With Wood out we need OL help ASAP). His numbers are middle of the pack just like Tyrod's. Best bet is to move up in the draft a get a QB of the future. If there is a cheaper veteran available to hold the fort while the QBoftheF learns the offense, otherwise keep Tyrod and and hope the learning curve of the rookie is short. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 8 hours ago, GunnerBill said: The price of QBs goes up every year. There were people a week agon thinking Cousins might only get $22-23m then a 33 year old Alex Smith who two teams have moved on from gets that.... Cousins is going to get paid seriously big. None of that is an excuse not to move on from Tyrod though. It might not be an excuse for you, but McDermott strikes me as being very deliberate in his approach and I think he's still going to view this contract Tyrod is under and our ability to move up in the draft to draft a 1st round QB this year as the best scenario both short and long term for the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, bdutton said: You guys need to stop drinking the koolaide. Cousins is NOT a long term solution and would require a huge contract at the expense of improving other areas (With Wood out we need OL help ASAP). His numbers are middle of the pack just like Tyrod's. Best bet is to move up in the draft a get a QB of the future. If there is a cheaper veteran available to hold the fort while the QBoftheF learns the offense, otherwise keep Tyrod and and hope the learning curve of the rookie is short. cousins had the 15th best season for yards in nfl history two years ago...but ok he's middle of the pack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, bdutton said: You guys need to stop drinking the koolaide. Cousins is NOT a long term solution and would require a huge contract at the expense of improving other areas (With Wood out we need OL help ASAP). His numbers are middle of the pack just like Tyrod's. Best bet is to move up in the draft a get a QB of the future. If there is a cheaper veteran available to hold the fort while the QBoftheF learns the offense, otherwise keep Tyrod and and hope the learning curve of the rookie is short. BD, respectfully, I didn't mention Cousins at all in my post. I was just trying to make the worst comment ever on the board...it hurst that no one thinks that it is. If you've seen any of my other posts I am with you on your point. You may make this up to me by sending me money. PM me and I'll give you the deets. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamK Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) I think the Redskins will place a transition franchise tag on Cousins, so is he worth the huge contract AND giving up a draft pick and/or other compensation? I like Cousins, but it seems like the team that does acquire him is destined to overpay. I'm not sure that translates to long term success. I'm convinced the best option is to draft a QB in the 1st round and hope he becomes the long term solution. Edited January 31, 2018 by AdamK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CritMark Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, bdutton said: You guys need to stop drinking the koolaide. Cousins is NOT a long term solution and would require a huge contract at the expense of improving other areas (With Wood out we need OL help ASAP). His numbers are middle of the pack just like Tyrod's. Best bet is to move up in the draft a get a QB of the future. If there is a cheaper veteran available to hold the fort while the QBoftheF learns the offense, otherwise keep Tyrod and and hope the learning curve of the rookie is short. I think you are right. Also, given the small cap space difference between the Bills and Broncos, if the Bill s can make it work, so can the Broncos and I think that would be Cousins' preference. The Bills have a chance to move up in this draft to grab a QB without major draft capital cost for two reasons. It is a QB rich draft so they don't need to move all the way up to #1 to get a quality guy and they have two first round picks this year, so they can likely put a deal together without giving up next year's 1st round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkep32 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, AdamK said: I think the Redskins will place a transition tag on Cousins, so is he worth the huge contract AND giving up a draft pick and/or other compensation? I like Cousins, but it seems like the team that does acquire him is destined to overpay. I'm not sure that translates to long term success. I'm convinced the best option is to draft a QB in the 1st round and hope he becomes the long term solution. might want to get hit refresh on your updates dude...cousins wont get the tag they traded for alex smith. They are not gunna slap a tag on him hoping another team matches that offer, if i was another owner i would let them eat it and have both qbs on there team...and when they trade him later on in the year to have dead salary cap in future years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, bdutton said: You guys need to stop drinking the koolaide. Cousins is NOT a long term solution and would require a huge contract at the expense of improving other areas (With Wood out we need OL help ASAP). His numbers are middle of the pack just like Tyrod's. Best bet is to move up in the draft a get a QB of the future. If there is a cheaper veteran available to hold the fort while the QBoftheF learns the offense, otherwise keep Tyrod and and hope the learning curve of the rookie is short. Tyrod's numbers aren't middle of the pack. He's regressed every season. So if Cousins is hardly an upgrade, if Taylor hits the open market, do you think their contracts will be comparable? Cousins contract will be just slightly more? 21 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: It might not be an excuse for you, but McDermott strikes me as being very deliberate in his approach and I think he's still going to view this contract Tyrod is under and our ability to move up in the draft to draft a 1st round QB this year as the best scenario both short and long term for the team. I overall think your opinion of what McDermott's thinking is way off. My proof is you saying that McDermott is satisfied with the points we were scoring even though he stated specifically that was a concern. Then you stated you believe Taylor is running the offense how McDermott wants it to be ran but then he was benched. Edited January 31, 2018 by Royale with Cheese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfanAZ Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 10 minutes ago, AdamK said: I think the Redskins will place a transition tag on Cousins, so is he worth the huge contract AND giving up a draft pick and/or other compensation? I like Cousins, but it seems like the team that does acquire him is destined to overpay. I'm not sure that translates to long term success. I'm convinced the best option is to draft a QB in the 1st round and hope he becomes the long term solution. Why would they use the Transition tag? Transition tag means they have the right of first refusal but they get no compensation if they dont match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 3 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Lil Danny and Bruce Allen screwing up again? Shocking! In all honesty you knew the marriage between the Skins and Cousins was soon to be over after last offseason. The Bruce Allen interview where he kept calling him Kurt and just the overall shade thrown in general. I didn't expect them to trade for Smith and throw top $$$ at him, but I thought Cousins was gone. By all accounts Allen is a complete d*ck and Snyder is, well, Snyder. Most Skins fans I know right now are completely pissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaviorPeterman Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 This was a pretty stupid move by Washington. It's not that Smith is a bad QB because he's not, but for what they gave up and what they will be paying him you really have to question why they wouldn't make a better attempt to keep their own franchise QB who isn't light years ahead of Smith anyway talent wise. Also wondering if this helps with Taylor's trade value assuming there is a team out there that truly wants him as a potential starter. If so perhaps we can get more than a 6th or 7th rounder but guessing he'd also have to negotiate a new contract as part of any trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdutton Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 7 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Tyrod's numbers aren't middle of the pack. He's regressed every season. So if Cousins is hardly an upgrade, if Taylor hits the open market, do you think their contracts will be comparable? Cousins contract will be just slightly more? Cousin's market value is largely because of hype. Tylor's value is lower due to opposite hype. If you step back and look at the numbers, Tyrod has been consistently in the midle of the pack as a starter. Cousins cna put up bigger yardage but doesn't change his overall standing as a middle of the pack QB who's been overhyped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CritMark Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 15 minutes ago, AdamK said: I think the Redskins will place a transition tag on Cousins, so is he worth the huge contract AND giving up a draft pick and/or other compensation? I like Cousins, but it seems like the team that does acquire him is destined to overpay. I'm not sure that translates to long term success. I'm convinced the best option is to draft a QB in the 1st round and hope he becomes the long term solution. I don't think they could if they wanted to. They only have $36MM in cap space before the Smith deal. The transition tag will cost them $34MM. If nobody wanted to take that contract at $34MM, the Skins would need to gut their team and knowing it would be a fire sale, they would get 75 cents on the dollar if they were lucky. The Skins would need to pick up the remainder of a lot of contacts to make up the difference. It would take a pair of brass balls to try that or the stupidest owner in the NFL. I guess Snyder may qualify for one of those descriptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamK Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) 20 minutes ago, bkep32 said: might want to get hit refresh on your updates dude...cousins wont get the tag they traded for alex smith. They are not gunna slap a tag on him hoping another team matches that offer, if i was another owner i would let them eat it and have both qbs on there team...and when they trade him later on in the year to have dead salary cap in future years. I am fully aware of the updates DUDE. Edited January 31, 2018 by AdamK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, CritMark said: I don't think they could if they wanted to. They only have $36MM in cap space before the Smith deal. The transition tag will cost them $34MM. If nobody wanted to take that contract at $34MM, the Skins would need to gut their team and knowing it would be a fire sale, they would get 75 cents on the dollar if they were lucky. The Skins would need to pick up the remainder of a lot of contacts to make up the difference. It would take a pair of brass balls to try that or the stupidest owner in the NFL. I guess Snyder may qualify for one of those descriptions. That's the Franchise Tag cost IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 29 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: So they traded alex smith and 2019 3rd for fuller and 2018 3rd seems like a better deal then I first thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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