Deranged Rhino Posted January 31, 2018 Author Share Posted January 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, Taro T said: So, do you expect Wray or a spokesperson to publicly state the memo is legit or to just let the "unauthorized" statement against the memo remain the only public FBI pronouncement regarding it? Wray already said it was legit. As did the highest ranking counterintel official in the FBI and a high ranking DOJ legal team member. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/30/fbi-officials-review-surveillance-memo-could-not-cite-any-factual-inaccuracies-source.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 50 minutes ago, row_33 said: how could they possibly KNOW THIS????? Good question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 31, 2018 Author Share Posted January 31, 2018 Another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: Wray already said it was legit. As did the highest ranking counterintel official in the FBI and a high ranking DOJ legal team member. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/30/fbi-officials-review-surveillance-memo-could-not-cite-any-factual-inaccuracies-source.html Then Wray has a bigger problem on his hands because all the legit media outlets are saying that "the bureau" is the one that's raising the objections. Someone is lying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 31, 2018 Author Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, GG said: Then Wray has a bigger problem on his hands because all the legit media outlets are saying that "the bureau" is the one that's raising the objections. Someone is lying. Yes, the MSM is. This was expected. These are PAID OPERATORS, not reporters. They are working against your best interests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Wray alreadyissaid it was legit. As did the highest ranking counterintel official in the FBI and a high ranking DOJ legal team member. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/30/fbi-officials-review-surveillance-memo-could-not-cite-any-factual-inaccuracies-source.html Knew that. But considering the news currently going around claims by inference that Wray claims it's misleading, does he at this point actually decide to have a statement put out that it's not? Edited January 31, 2018 by Taro T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 best anticipation since the DNA test on the blue dress and the media stormed around screaming none of it was true for weeks until, positive result. oopsie poopsie... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 31, 2018 Author Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, Taro T said: Knew that. But considering the news currently going around claims by inference that Wray claims it's misleading, does he actually have a statement put out that it's not? Oh, gotcha. We'll see. I would expect a statement of some kind. It's a deliberate, coordinated attempt by MSM paid operators to taint the memo before it's released. They're lying to you in order to do so. People are not falling for it though. The old tricks aren't working. Hence the panic we are seeing. This is only going to get worse for those folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Yes, the MSM is. This was expected. These are PAID OPERATORS, not reporters. They are working against your best interests. Highly unlikely that every single DC reporter & editor is on the take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 7 minutes ago, GG said: Highly unlikely that every single DC reporter & editor is on the take. maybe 2 are not on the take the question is how people were ever hoodwinked or forced into accepting that all media wasn't in the pockets of the Democratic Party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 31, 2018 Author Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, GG said: Highly unlikely that every single DC reporter & editor is on the take. You don't need all. What are we learning with all this discovery? That cabals of powerful people abusing their powers are real. It doesn't take teams of people to spread fake news. It takes but a few strategically placed people to get the cycle going. Then it's an echo chamber of reporters reporting on what others reported on without doing the sourcing. Nunes issues statement: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: You don't need all. What are we learning with all this discovery? That cabals of powerful people abusing their powers are real. It doesn't take teams of people to spread fake news. It takes but a few strategically placed people to get the cycle going. Then it's an echo chamber of reporters reporting on what others reported on without doing the sourcing. Again, this is not just rumor mongering type of news. Outlets with very high editorial standrads, including ones that lean to the right are attributing the memo to the bureau, not to staffers at the bureau. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 31, 2018 Author Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, GG said: Again, this is not just rumor mongering type of news. Outlets with very high editorial standrads, including ones that lean to the right are attributing the memo to the bureau, not to staffers at the bureau. The corruption runs deep. You have to be blind not to see it now. Those "high editorial standards" have always been subservient to the whims of their USIC sources. Remember, this isn't about right versus left, dem versus rep, conservative v liberal. It's about exposing corruption that exists on BOTH sides of the aisle in heritage institutions that claim to be above such nonsense. It's systemic. Twitter found the FBI source for the statement: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: The corruption runs deep. You have to be blind not to see it now. Those "high editorial standards" have always been subservient to the whims of their USIC sources. Remember, this isn't about right versus left, dem versus rep, conservative v liberal. It's about exposing corruption that exists on BOTH sides of the aisle in heritage institutions that claim to be above such nonsense. It's systemic. Stop deflecting the point. I'm questioning your assertion that the statement didn't come from the agency. Even though there's no public release, it appears the statement did come from the agency, and that's why everyone is referencing the agency/bureau. Why did Nunes have to issue his own statement if it was just a bunch of employees? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 31, 2018 Author Share Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, GG said: Stop deflecting the point. I'm questioning your assertion that the statement didn't come from the agency. Even though there's no public release, it appears the statement did come from the agency, and that's why everyone is referencing the agency/bureau. Why did Nunes have to issue his own statement if it was just a bunch of employees? Gotcha. I missed your question and thought you were already seeing the issues. Guess not: The statement came from SOMEONE in the FBI, but it's being passed off as an official FBI statement without sourcing it. That's a problem. And a lie. If it wasn't a lie, they could EASILY prove it. Yet, they haven't. Why? Because the story is not accurate. No statement exists on the FBI website. No statement exists on any DOJ website. No letterhead was shown in any of the reporting. It's SPIN. Designed to weaken the memo before it's released. And outlets are following their marching orders. And it wasn't a "bunch of employees" it was one (probably). The AP is clarifying saying the words came from Wray. Wray disagrees. Edited January 31, 2018 by Deranged Rhino clarity / english Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 9 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Gotcha. I missed your question and thought you were already seeing the issues. Guess not: The statement came from SOMEONE in the FBI, but it's being passed off as an official FBI statement without sourcing it. That's a problem. And a lie. If it wasn't a lie, they could EASILY prove it. Yet, they haven't. Why? Because the story is not accurate. No statement exists on the FBI website. No statement exists on any DOJ website. No letterhead was shown in any of the reporting. It's SPIN. Designed to weaken the memo before it's released. And outlets are following their marching orders. And it wasn't a "bunch of employees" it was one (probably). The AP is clarifying saying the words came from Wray. Wray disagrees. Why is Nunes treating it as an official FBI release? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 31, 2018 Author Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, GG said: Why is Nunes treating it as an official FBI release? Because half the people reading the headlines aren't aware of the issue we're discussing. Again, if this was an official FBI statement, where is it? That's evidence that these journos are lying about where this statement is coming from. https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Anyone trying to say this is all media spin is either a complete idiot or is being paid to peddle propaganda on our website. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/31/us/politics/fbi-director-republicans-secret-memo.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news Quote The “F.B.I. was provided a limited opportunity to review this memo the day before the committee voted to release it,” the bureau said in a statement. “As expressed during our initial review, we have grave concerns about material omissions of fact that fundamentally impact the memo’s accuracy.” Though Mr. Wray’s name was not attached to the statement, the high-profile comment by the F.B.I. thrust him into a confrontation with President Trump, who abruptly fired his predecessor, James B. Comey. Mr. Trump wants to see the memo released, telling people close to him that he believes it makes the case that F.B.I. and Justice Department officials acted inappropriately when they sought the highly classified warrant in October 2016 on the campaign adviser, Carter Page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 31, 2018 Author Share Posted January 31, 2018 Wray read the memo Sunday, with two other DOJ/FBI officials. They agreed it was accurate and had no classification issues. McCabe was ousted the next day. That was THREE DAYS ago. Now we're supposed to believe this unsourced and unverified statement from the FBI? Think for yourselves, people. This is a game. And they're losing. Badly. Should be REAL easy to publish that statement... Now it's "almost certainly" to have been signed off by Wray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Because half the people reading the headlines aren't aware of the issue we're discussing. Again, if this was an official FBI statement, where is it? That's evidence that these journos are lying about where this statement is coming from. https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel Best guess is there was a publishing snafu. The memo was released as "embargoed" to the press, and some idiot ran with the story ahead of publication, so everyone jumped on board. Kind of like the Wood injury news snowballed on Friday. Give it an hour or so for the PR to appear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 31, 2018 Author Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, GG said: Best guess is there was a publishing snafu. The memo was released as "embargoed" to the press, and some idiot ran with the story ahead of publication, so everyone jumped on board. Kind of like the Wood injury news snowballed on Friday. Give it an hour or so for the PR to appear. Could be. But again, it's doubtful. Why? Wray saw the memo SUNDAY and said it was accurate. Now he's going to release a nebulous statement saying otherwise? Something doesn't add up. You want to trust the media. I say that's foolish considering how spotty they've been on this very issue. We'll see who's right eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Could be. But again, it's doubtful. Why? Wray saw the memo SUNDAY and said it was accurate. Now he's going to release a nebulous statement saying otherwise? Something doesn't add up. You want to trust the media. I say that's foolish considering how spotty they've been on this very issue. We'll see who's right eventually. That's why I said, somebody is lying, upthread. But I doubt that the FBI release is made up. And here it is. Edited January 31, 2018 by GG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 31, 2018 Author Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, GG said: That's why I said, somebody is lying, upthread. But I doubt that the FBI release is made up. I never said the statement was false. I said they were wrongly attributing it as a Bureau release when it's clearly not. Hence my Wegman's analogy. The liars are in the MSM who are following marching orders to defang the memo before it hits. Their lies are subtle, but still lies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: I never said the statement was false. I said they were wrongly attributing it as a Bureau release when it's clearly not. Hence my Wegman's analogy. The liars are in the MSM who are following marching orders to defang the memo before it hits. Their lies are subtle, but still lies. Look above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 31, 2018 Author Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, GG said: Look above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: Not everything is a shadowy conspiracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 11 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Because half the people reading the headlines aren't aware of the issue we're discussing. Again, if this was an official FBI statement, where is it? That's evidence that these journos are lying about where this statement is coming from. https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel There's no official statement there on McCabe's leaving, either. So I wouldn't consider that link the authoritative source for official FBI statements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 31, 2018 Author Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, GG said: Not everything is a shadowy conspiracy. Don't count your chickens yet. Again, this contradicts directly with Wray's statements Monday. Someone is pulling a fast one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, GG said: Not everything is a shadowy conspiracy. That's what they WANT you to think. Wake up, GGeepole! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 31, 2018 Author Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, DC Tom said: There's no official statement there on McCabe's leaving, either. So I wouldn't consider that link the authoritative source for official FBI statements. There were multiple published releases on McCabe though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, GG said: Not everything is a shadowy conspiracy. But we should automatically assume the FBI isn't lying, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 If Trump and traitor Nunez are going to go this far to get Carter Page's conversations with Russians suppressed there must be something they don't want us to hear! #releasethe CarterTalks!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 9 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: There were multiple published releases on McCabe though. I want to interrupt this discussion to let you know I have been avoiding message boards because of work and reality, but come back here on occasion for things like the left melting down over last night's SOTU, and it's good to see you are still posting conspiracy with a fervor that rivals a 14-year-old home alone for the night who just discovered that 12345 is ridiculously the password his parents used to block the porn channels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 This is political porn, LA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 31, 2018 Author Share Posted January 31, 2018 31 minutes ago, LABillzFan said: I want to interrupt this discussion to let you know I have been avoiding message boards because of work and reality, but come back here on occasion for things like the left melting down over last night's SOTU, and it's good to see you are still posting conspiracy with a fervor that rivals a 14-year-old home alone for the night who just discovered that 12345 is ridiculously the password his parents used to block the porn channels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 31, 2018 Author Share Posted January 31, 2018 Someone's lying. And it's not Wray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 37 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Someone's lying. Sounds familiar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 31, 2018 Author Share Posted January 31, 2018 Food for thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 6 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Food for thought. Unless they hacked into FBI's internal document servers, those meta tags are useless in establishing the true timeline. Again, it's customary for an organization to embargo a big press release with the media well ahead of formal publication. In this case, some idiot ran with the embargoed story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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