McDermott type Quarterbacks

[Utah John]

If they draft the right QB, the odds are very good he'll be here longer than McDermott.  It's always easier to find a new HC than a great QB.  Not that I'm predicting bad things, but there are always ups and downs, and sometimes a coach just wears out his welcome. 

 

For the record, I think McDermott is doing a great job. He had a few mistakes but he has the team on the right track.  He's the anti-Wrecks, a serious competent guy who has the team working together and believing in itself.  Still, the half life for HC tenures in the NFL is probably 3 or 4. 

 

So the team's organization needs to have a voice in this selection, not just the HC.  People stood back and watched as Wrecks decimated the great defense that Jim Schwartz had put together, because Wrecks was a 3-4 guy and had his own scheme.  So out went great players and in came new guys like Ragland who didn't fit when McDermott and Beane came in.  So now they're rebuilding the D line and LBs almost from scratch. 

3 hours ago, Tatonka68 said:

He is looking for no red flags, a senior with "good grades" and a good character guy.

Hey, I have no red flags, I'm a senior (62 years young) and what a character. Also very good grades in college, back in the day.

 

Coach, if you're reading this, please send a private message.

Edited January 26, 2018 by Utah John

[White Linen]

1 hour ago, billsredneck1 said:

if they do sell the farm, i think mayfield would be the best fit. i just can't wrap my head around a so. cal guy playing qb for the bills. trade  taylor and glenn(because of injury history) with 21 to indy for no. 3. if that's not enough...one of the 2nds?

 

Oh I'm sure that's too much.

[SouthNYfan]

13 minutes ago, White Linen said:

 

Oh I'm sure that's too much.

 

I was thinking the same thing 

 

(I had trouble even typing that with a straight face)

1 hour ago, billsredneck1 said:

if they do sell the farm, i think mayfield would be the best fit. i just can't wrap my head around a so. cal guy playing qb for the bills. trade  taylor and glenn(because of injury history) with 21 to indy for no. 3. if that's not enough...one of the 2nds?

 

Are you drunk?

Taking mind altering substances?

 

You seriously think that Indy is going to trade for a backup QB who is going to be making $15mil-18mil against their cap, who might not even be better than their current backup, and who is definitely not better than luck!?

 

They are on the hook for $24mil this year for luck

They can cut him after this year, voiding 3 years $75 mil remaining, but eating about $13mil dead cap in 2019.

 

Pick #21 +tyrod +Glenn +one of the 2nds for #3??

 

I mean like, I'm trying to be nice, and I appreciate the optimism, but that is one of the most laughable things I've ever read on here.

 

If I offered that in Madden'18, the PS4 would probably reach out and slap me, then delete my game, and tell me to go back to tecmo bowl

[Tatonka68]

3 hours ago, Chuck Wagon said:

Scout - "well this Rosen kid can really spin it, he can do everything we need"

 

McD- "sure, but this Kurt Benkert got an A in Classic Lit, he's my guy"

 

-A conversation that's not going to happen

Rosen is only interested in making money and getting laid, not in winning games. And he definitely would not want to go to Buffalo.

[wppete]

4 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

His most recent QBs were Tyrod Taylor and Cam Newton....just saying.

 

Cam Newton has very high character ?

[BuffaloHokie13]

1 minute ago, Tatonka68 said:

Rosen is only interested in making money and getting laid, not in winning games. And he definitely would not want to go to Buffalo.

I heard he's actually really into Canadian girls.

[billsredneck1]

33 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

I was thinking the same thing 

 

(I had trouble even typing that with a straight face)

 

Are you drunk?

Taking mind altering substances?

 

You seriously think that Indy is going to trade for a backup QB who is going to be making $15mil-18mil against their cap, who might not even be better than their current backup, and who is definitely not better than luck!?

 

They are on the hook for $24mil this year for luck

They can cut him after this year, voiding 3 years $75 mil remaining, but eating about $13mil dead cap in 2019.

 

Pick #21 +tyrod +Glenn +one of the 2nds for #3??

 

I mean like, I'm trying to be nice, and I appreciate the optimism, but that is one of the most laughable things I've ever read on here.

 

If I offered that in Madden'18, the PS4 would probably reach out and slap me, then delete my game, and tell me to go back to tecmo bowl

mind altering substances?...drunk?...ok i could live with that and am willing to take donations, but i think they are moving luck. i should have put that in my post.  does anything click now?  someone's gonna put up 30mil+ for cousins and someone will take luck's contract.  maybe indy is going to set themselves up for a transition period? what would you think it would take to get to 3?

 

if you can put the controller down, maybe you can answer before your mom calls you upstairs for supper.

Edited January 26, 2018 by billsredneck1

[SouthNYfan]

4 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

mind altering substances?...drunk?...ok i could live with that and am willing to take donations, but i think they are moving luck. i should have put that in my post.  does anything click now?  someone's gonna put up 30mil+ for cousins and someone will take luck's contract.  maybe indy is going to set themselves up for a transition period? what would you think it would take to get to 3?

 

if you can put the controller down, maybe you can answer before your mom calls you upstairs for supper.

 

I'm 35 and own my own home.

Playing PS4 and Madden doesn't make you a teenager.

 

Nice try though.

 

Indy isn't trading luck.

He just missed an entire season with a throwing shoulder labral tear.

He is owed $24mil this year.

He has 4 years and $100mil on his deal.

There is no way they give up on him until seeing how he looks this year.

If they have decided they don't want to risk that long term, then they will draft a QB most likely, at 3 if they see a guy they love, like what SD did with Rivers and Brees.

 

If they go give up, nobody is going to trade for him, they'll wait until he's cut, then take a risk, when he's a FA like NO did with Brees.

 

Putting up $$ for cousins isn't the same as luck.

Nobody is even sure luck can throw a NFL caliber pass at this point after that injury.

A pre-injury luck is better than cousins.

Cousins at the moment is a much safer bet than luck because he's healthy.

 

So no, nothing you've said clicks.

 

Even if Indy was moving on, tyrod, Glenn, and #21 is nowhere near enough for #3, and if Indy was moving on they'd more than likely draft a QB (which they won't) and not trade down for a pile of crap.

[Batman1876]

Didn’t we draft a guy who was arrested for aggravated assault after getting in a bar fight and breaking a guys orbital bone.

[SoCal Deek]

4 hours ago, billsfan_34 said:

Cam Newton not so much, he was the D Coordinator in Carolina- just sayin. In all seriousness, I dont think any of us know what his QB is. Time will tell for sure.

Exactly my point. McD is a defensive coach.  How would anyone know what type of QB he favors?

[Rk_Bills86]

So I know this is a QB thread. I would take either for that price. For those saying Roquan Smith, how does he compare to Tremaine Edmunds? I've seen some tape on Edmunds and have been extremely impressed. To quote a few reviews he is "Hard to Ignore" when watching tape. 

[8-8 Forever?]

i don't want to move up for a QB anymore.  that ship sailed when both our no 1s fell out of the top 20, IMO.   The price of success.   Grab BPO or BPO-QB at 21 and be done with it.  Trust the process.  Go get a FA QB.   McCarron or someone to compete.   If it isn't for Darnold, who you can't get to anyway why bother trading up?    Get Kyle Williams - type players and go win 10 games next year.   they did it this year with a crappy roster, next year should be at least that roster.

Edited January 26, 2018 by 8-8 Forever?

[GunnerBill]

10 hours ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

Playing PS4 and Madden doesn't make you a teenager.

 

 

I mean it does a bit..... 

[PaattMaann]

10 hours ago, billsredneck1 said:

mind altering substances?...drunk?...ok i could live with that and am willing to take donations, but i think they are moving luck. i should have put that in my post.  does anything click now?  someone's gonna put up 30mil+ for cousins and someone will take luck's contract.  maybe indy is going to set themselves up for a transition period? what would you think it would take to get to 3?

 

if you can put the controller down, maybe you can answer before your mom calls you upstairs for supper.

 

yea man, you are nuts...sorry 

 

It would take both of our firsts, our second, probably next years 1st and throw in Glenn for good measure and then MAYBE Indy picks up the phone

 

Even if they move on from Luck, they wont want TYGOD lol....and if they do move on from Luck, they wont be trading out of the number 3 spot, they will be taking their QB of the future. Likely Indy stays put and does the smart thing and drafts Barkley 

[JMF2006]

13 hours ago, Lafromboise said:

honestly Peterman is his guy. I'm sure he wants to start him this year and see what he's got with an off season with the ones.

 

 

That last pass in Jax pretty well sealed it for me......... telegraphed an out route staring it down then noodle arms it getting picked.

 

This guy will never be a starter......... and after his rookie deal might not even be a back up.

[GunnerBill]

13 minutes ago, PaattMaann said:

 

yea man, you are nuts...sorry 

 

It would take both of our firsts, our second, probably next years 1st and throw in Glenn for good measure and then MAYBE Indy picks up the phone

 

 

If Glenn is healthy I think Indi could have an interest in him.  They definitely need O-line help.  

[PaattMaann]

14 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

If Glenn is healthy I think Indi could have an interest in him.  They definitely need O-line help.  

 

I agree 100%, but thinking our 21st and Glenn would be enough to get them to trade the #3 is asinine LOL

 

The best thing for the bills would be being able to move Glenn and some picks to get up to take our QB, so that we wouldnt have to give up more picks. However, I don't see the Colts taking anything less than a kings ransom of picks AND Glenn for that pick. 

 

The consolation prize is also good for the Bills. Having two very good tackles will help whoever our QB is tremendously. 

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, PaattMaann said:

 

I agree 100%, but thinking our 21st and Glenn would be enough to get them to trade the #3 is asinine LOL

 

Yes, obviously.  But both Giants at #2 and Colts at #3 do need OL help and that might help you save a draft pick somewhere in the trade... it won't be a #1 though.  Maybe he gets the value of a 4th or a future 3rd?

[PaattMaann]

6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yes, obviously.  But both Giants at #2 and Colts at #3 do need OL help and that might help you save a draft pick somewhere in the trade... it won't be a #1 though.  Maybe he gets the value of a 4th or a future 3rd?

 

Agreed. However I would prefer to keep Glenn and trade a 4th. I know he has injury issues but he is better than solid when healthy. Not having to address the tackle spot except for depth would be really nice. That said, if our med staff knows he will not remain healthy ever in his career then I guess its best to part ways if possible 

[SoTier]

18 hours ago, Tatonka68 said:

All of the Bills mafia have a opinion of who the Bills should draft, but it is McDermott's call. He is looking for no red flags, a senior with "good grades" and a good character guy. So under these conditions these are the players that fit, Mason Rudolph Oklahoma St, Kurt Benkert Virginia, Mike White Western Kentucky and maybe Sam Darnold. He will never draft, in my opinion, Baker Mayfield, Sam Rosen, or Lamar Jackson. Josh Allen does not fit either but might be drafted anyhow. sorry to bust your bubble.

 

 

 

I certainly hope you're wrong because at the very top of the list should be "has the potential to be a great QB".  By all accounts, EJ Manuel fit your criteria perfectly, but he missed on my criteria... and he was a bust.  The Bills don't need a choirboy but a QB.  If the kid has the right physical qualities, has his head on straight enough to keep out of trouble off the field and make good decisions on the field, and is a hard worker, I would certainly be po'd if the Bills passed on him for some lesser prospect because of the largely irrelevant criteria you cited.