boyst Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 2 hours ago, nucci said: No, if you touch her without permission in a sexual manner, then it is harassment...which is apparently what all these guys are doing.....I don't get it And the apparently part of the story is where I stop and don't care. Prove it. Until you do, leave them alone. Until you show me proof then I don't care. The 3rd wave crap is getting annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobH063 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Gal said: My husband said to me yesterday, "I'd hate to be trying to date in today's environment", and I couldn't disagree with him. I said the exact same thing to my wife too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 I think any guy who tries to get laid or sends any sexually suggestive content to any woman without her express written consent should be shot on sight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 5 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: So far from matter2003's posts, I've gathered that teachers are freaks who want to have sex with anyone in a public restroom at Bills' games, lawyers are wound tight and like to snort cocaine, he's looking for that woman who will be on her knees in a bathroom stall (he seems to have a thing for public restrooms) within five minutes of hitting on her, and, here's the real shocker: women lie in order to not go out with him. Did I miss anything? Don't forget his freakishly high testosterone levels. He measures it every day which is totally normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 1 hour ago, billsfan1959 said: Military for 8 years, law enforcement officer for 25 years, and my wife is quite happy with my testosterone level. My views on this topic come from investigating, analyzing, and teaching for the last 35 years in regard to homicide, intimate partner violence, and sexual assault. Your individual learnings likely based on your predisposed beliefs and lifestyle. Basically, this is your set of feelings. They hold no facts. You already lost the argument at this point. #feelings never win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, Rob's House said: I think any guy who tries to get laid or sends any sexually suggestive content to any woman without her express written consent should be shot on sight. okay Rob Nazi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 4 hours ago, Steptide said: It's going to get to a point where if you look at an attractive woman it's gonna be sexual harassment I think sexual harassment is a real issue. It may well be possible in an individual case that the woman involved is being overly sensitive, but it's not justifiable to become calloused toward the next woman to make an accusation just because there are so many. Each needs to be judged on its own merits. I think that sexual harassment has been commonplace because men have long thought it was OK as part of the underside of the culture. Maybe the sheer number of high profile cases will help to change the culture and kids growing up will finally get the message that it's not OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 6 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: And the apparently part of the story is where I stop and don't care. Prove it. Until you do, leave them alone. Until you show me proof then I don't care. The 3rd wave crap is getting annoying. These things are very hard to "prove". There are rarely any witnesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 1 hour ago, billsfan1959 said: Actually, my views on this topic are driven by experience, education, and training - not feelings. I am well aware of the biological underpinnings of human behavior and it does not justify or excuse real sexual assault or sexual harassment. If you cannot distinguish those behaviors from normal male sexual behaviors, then we will have to agree to disagree. #feelings don't equal facts, even if your experience is lived. 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: These things are very hard to "prove". There are rarely any witnesses. Yep, and? So many ways to take this. Let's start simply. When it happens. Report it then. Scream it atop The mountains. Don't let yourself be put in a position to allow this to happen as a male or female. If someone is in appropriate then you leave the situation then and there. And do not return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Just now, Boyst62 said: Your individual learnings likely based on your predisposed beliefs and lifestyle. Basically, this is your set of feelings. They hold no facts. You already lost the argument at this point. #feelings never win So according to your theory, individual learnings are based on predisposed beliefs and lifestyles that create a set of feelings void of any fact. In which case, your post is simply your set of feelings that hold no facts and, I am sorry, I am going to have to dismiss it accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 1 minute ago, TigerJ said: I think sexual harassment is a real issue. It may well be possible in an individual case that the woman involved is being overly sensitive, but it's not justifiable to become calloused toward the next woman to make an accusation just because there are so many. Each needs to be judged on its own merits. I think that sexual harassment has been commonplace because men have long thought it was OK as part of the underside of the culture. Maybe the sheer number of high profile cases will help to change the culture and kids growing up will finally get the message that it's not OK. Kids will get the message that it's not OK - if and when their parents teach them that. If their parents don't teach them that or at least attempt to - then those parents suck. I wonder if there is any correlation with( bad parenting/lack of parenting) and degenerate kids turning into degenerate adults? Hmmmmmm....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Just now, Boyst62 said: #feelings don't equal facts, even if your experience is lived. Yep, and? So many ways to take this. Let's start simply. When it happens. Report it then. Scream it atop The mountains. Don't let yourself be put in a position to allow this to happen as a male or female. If someone is in appropriate then you leave the situation then and there. And do not return. I agree with that. But self-preservation is a real mother-hucker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Just now, billsfan1959 said: So according to your theory, individual learnings are based on predisposed beliefs and lifestyles that create a set of feelings void of any fact. In which case, your post is simply your set of feelings that hold no facts and, I am sorry, I am going to have to dismiss it accordingly. Exactly! Jesus Christ, it's like you had a breakthrough Your experience in this is the contrary to mine, fwiw. I have vast more experience, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said: So according to your theory, individual learnings are based on predisposed beliefs and lifestyles that create a set of feelings void of any fact. In which case, your post is simply your set of feelings that hold no facts and, I am sorry, I am going to have to dismiss it accordingly. Your opinion is no more valid or less valid or more right or more wrong than anyone else's. You act as though it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Just now, PolishDave said: Your opinion is no more valid or less valid or more right or more wrong than anyone else's. You act as though it is. I call it the 26cornerblitz effect. Feelings and perspective are presentable as facts for some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 1 hour ago, matter2003 said: Ever work in the restaurant industry? I'll guarantee you most women who work in a restaurant have had sex with at least 3 of the guys that work there...same thing about hospitals...many nurses are a special kind of freak...I know guys who were RT's in hospitals and doctors and had literally banged half the nurses that worked there, many times during work hours...it happens a LOT more than you think. Just might not have happened to you. it's funny that you mentioned hospitals, because you nailed it. there's a ton of dating among coworkers in those joints. i dated someone that worked with me in our department, and technically i was her higher up, (i couldn't hire/fire someone in her position though) and no one had a problem with it. i'm sure those days are gone now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: #feelings don't equal facts, even if your experience is lived. Yep, and? So many ways to take this. Let's start simply. When it happens. Report it then. Scream it atop The mountains. Don't let yourself be put in a position to allow this to happen as a male or female. If someone is in appropriate then you leave the situation then and there. And do not return. I don't think you're really in a position to tell anyone when and how they should report sexual assault. The reason most people don't initially come forward is the fear of not being believed and the consequences that follow personally, and professionally. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bomb Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 11 minutes ago, Rob's House said: I think any guy who tries to get laid or sends any sexually suggestive content to any woman without her express written consent should be shot on sight. We have a 3rd waver here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Boyst62 said: Exactly! Jesus Christ, it's like you had a breakthrough Sometimes you need the light of divine intervention to show you the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Just now, jrober38 said: I don't think you're really in a position to tell anyone when and how they should report sexual assault. The reason most people don't initially come forward is the fear of not being believed and the consequences that follow personally, and professionally. And this is your #feeling why? I'm sure I won't care what it is, but that's just insane you'll take 3 plain and simple things and refute them Check your man card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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