BillsfanAZ Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 42 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: And the dumb argument. facts are abd what Schoop is saying thr MATH says that was a bad decision. But McD Punted but trusts his defense. So didnt he trust his defense what deciding to punt to hold if offense was stuffed? So what is it do your trust them or not What math is that? It is a matter of opinion. There is no science or math that takes into account playing in OT, Cant lose game, 6" of snow on the ground, and a 3rd string QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Just now, BillsfanAZ said: What math is that? It is a matter of opinion. There is no science or math that takes into account playing in OT, Cant lose game, 6" of snow on the ground, and a 3rd string QB. And guess what that third string QB had to make a play didnt he even with McD 14 yards he saved with a punt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfanAZ Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 43 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: What is it? You trust your Defense when inside the 20 only. Sorry we win yes but you will NEVER convince me what the math says is retarded because you like the coach and want to defend him. This is NO DIFFERENCE than Rex Punting in terms of the decision You do realize that it is easier to defend a team running plays deep in their own zone than a team running plays from their own 40 right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Hix Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 31 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....shades of Jim "Crissy" Everett versus Jim Rome................. Hahaha, haven't thought of that in a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, BillsfanAZ said: You do realize that it is easier to defend a team running plays deep in their own zone than a team running plays from their own 40 right? Is it. Hmmm how did they only save 14 yards with a punt. Ooo yeah colts ran the Ball because of the snow. Really hard to figure that out Edited December 10, 2017 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bomb Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 The punt was an asinine call. It worked this time, but 9 out of 10 times it's a loss or tie, can't be playing for a tie in this situation. Jauron 2.0... The next few years are going to suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 8 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: Dont forget the internet message board posters on his side because "the Math and percentages"! While you conveniently forget that Frank Gore ran for 130 yards and LeSean McCoy ran for 156 in these "horrible conditions" to further your position, right? And the Bills ran for a net 227 yards as a team but you're convinced it's a better bet to punt there than attempt to pick up one yard with your playoff life on the line, right? Okay. Got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 The punt was playing for the tie, which would have screwed us for playoffs. We needed to win today. We got lucky. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bomb Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, ExWNYer said: While you conveniently forget that Frank Gore ran for 130 yards and LeSean McCoy ran for 156 in these "horrible conditions" to further your position, right? And the Bills ran for a net 227 yards as a team but you're convinced it's a better bet to punt there than attempt to pick up one yard with your playoff life on the line, right? Okay. Got it. There are ppl who just back the Bills no matter what, no matter when they do stupid ****. McDermott has shown me his colors, I don't like him, I don't want him here, it's that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfanAZ Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Is it. Hmmm how did they only save 14 yards with a punt. Ooo yeah colts ran the Ball because of the snow. Really hard to figure that out The Colts ran the ball because of the snow and they were deep in their own end so they were not taking chances. The Colts running plays from their 40 the Bills defense has to defend a lot more than just the run. You are so stuck on the 14 yards and I am not sure why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 9 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Is it. Hmmm how did they only save 14 yards with a punt. Ooo yeah colts ran the Ball because of the snow. Really hard to figure that out You have no idea what would have happened if they did not punt. Lets say they get stuffed for a yard loss or no gain which happened often in the game. Colts take ball over at their 41ish yard line. If the plays happen exactly as they did after the punt the Colts would have moved the ball to the Bills 39 yard line. It would be 4th and 4. What if the Colts don't punt there? What if they go for it? Maybe they get a first down? Maybe they don't. Maybe they punt and pin the Bills inside their own 5. The Bills weren't driving that field. Anything could have happened. You can criticize the call all you want but we won. Had we have gone for it, it could be a different story with a bunch of scenarios that no one knows how it would have played out. To say we only saved 14 yards is short sighted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: You have no idea what would have happened if they did not punt. Lets say they get stuffed for a yard loss or no gain which happened often in the game. Colts take ball over at their 41ish yard line. If the plays happen exactly as they did after the punt the Colts would have moved the ball to the Bills 39 yard line. It would be 4th and 4. What if the Colts don't punt there? What if they go for it? Maybe they get a first down? Maybe they don't. Maybe they punt and pin the Bills inside their own 5. The Bills weren't driving that field. Anything could have happened. You can criticize the call all you want but we won. Had we have gone for it, it could be a different story with a bunch of scenarios that no one knows how it would have played out. To say we only saved 14 yards is short sighted. That is EXACTLY what that punt did. You cannot argue outcome and then throw a bunch of hypotheticals. The outcome of THAT PUNT saved 14 yards still needed a play from a WR that was cut from another team and your ST player playing QB to win. Only way that punt becomes the right call was a TO or defensive score even then not really Edited December 10, 2017 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPP Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Quite simple....stupid call to punt in OT at the Indi 40 on 4th and 1 with mccoy playing great in the snow in those conditions......how many coaches would of punted in this situation...other poster said it perfectly and we seen it many time this season...the coaching on this team plays to not lose thats all....thats sad....McD got very very very lucky to pull this one out......this conservative garbage is not gonna cut it in Gillette stadium in a couple of weeks..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 10 minutes ago, ExWNYer said: While you conveniently forget that Frank Gore ran for 130 yards and LeSean McCoy ran for 156 in these "horrible conditions" to further your position, right? And the Bills ran for a net 227 yards as a team but you're convinced it's a better bet to punt there than attempt to pick up one yard with your playoff life on the line, right? Okay. Got it. The Bills were also stuffed for no gain or a loss 9 times in the game. Twice on the drive they punted on. 3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: That is EXACTLY what that punt did. You cannot argue outcome and then throw a bunch of hypotheticals. The outcome of THAT PUNT saved 14 yards still needed a play from a WR that was cut from another team and your ST player playing QB to win. Only way that punt becomes the right call was a TO or defensive score even then not really Ok well the punt exactly resulted in us winning the football game if you don't want to argue outcomes. The hypotheticals are mostly what would happen had the exact same drive from the Colts happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: The Bills were also stuffed for no gain or a loss 9 times in the game. Twice on the drive they punted on. Ok well the punt exactly resulted in us winning the football game if you don't want to argue outcomes. The hypotheticals are mostly what would happen had the exact same drive from the Colts happened. Now want to play other hypothecials ok after punt Colts run the clock out. Which was a likely outcome seeing they ripped off a 10 min drive earlier too right? Just remember everyone defending this decision with such vigor next time it happens and Bills lose defend it as well Edited December 10, 2017 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Just now, MAJBobby said: Now want to play other hypothecials ok after punt Colts run the clock out. Which was a likely outcome seeing they ripped off a 10 min drive earlier too right? Except we won the football game. Look, I agree we should have gone for it. At least, I would have. I don't likely know whether that is the right or wrong thing to do. What I do know is other coaches have punted in that type of situation. What I do know is we won the football game. What YOU don't know is if we still win the football game if we had gone for it. Criticize and complain all you want. The fact is we won the football game and that's all I care about right now. Honestly I don't even care much about that with as low a playoff shot that they have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Scott7975 said: Except we won the football game. Look, I agree we should have gone for it. At least, I would have. I don't likely know whether that is the right or wrong thing to do. What I do know is other coaches have punted in that type of situation. What I do know is we won the football game. What YOU don't know is if we still win the football game if we had gone for it. Criticize and complain all you want. The fact is we won the football game and that's all I care about right now. Honestly I don't even care much about that with as low a playoff shot that they have. I like thag we won. But my point is this is how this coach coaches going to be alot more years of missing the playoffs than this one because odds are you lose more than win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: I like thag we won. But my point is this is how this coach coaches going to be alot more years of missing the playoffs than this one because odds are you lose more than win I expect that McD will be here at least another 2 years. We shall see. I don't like the conservative play either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: I expect that McD will be here at least another 2 years. We shall see. I don't like the conservative play either. There is things i do like about him though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Just now, MAJBobby said: There is things i do like about him though Me too. This team is playing above their talent level IMO. That's a sign of a good coach. On the other hand the coach had a hand in removing some of the talent. I look forward to seeing what he does with the pieces he is given to build the team in his vision. Hopefully a lot better than the last few regimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 57 minutes ago, Dunkirk Don said: Anyone that understands football knows McDermott made the right call. If you listen to people in the stands you will soon be seating with them. It was a smart and courageous call and all you haters should tip your hat to the man Smart and courageous call? I'm going to just go with that you don't know what those words mean. I'll just also tell you that you don't understand football since that's how we support our points I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Scott7975 said: Me too. This team is playing above their talent level IMO. That's a sign of a good coach. On the other hand the coach had a hand in removing some of the talent. I look forward to seeing what he does with the pieces he is given to build the team in his vision. Hopefully a lot better than the last few regimes. Really the biggest things i hate his Conservatism His Clock Management his tie to specific players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 19 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Really the biggest things i hate his Conservatism His Clock Management his tie to specific players All valid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadwick Bay Chad Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 (edited) I am a football coach and been a Bills fan for 40 years that was the smartest and most courageous call by a big coach ever. And the right one. I would have done the same thing Edited December 11, 2017 by Dunkirk Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Just now, Dunkirk Don said: I a football coach and been a Bills fan for 40 years that was the smartest and most courageous call by a big coach ever. And the right one. I would have done the same thing Yep so Marrone in Oak you would have punted Rex in Mia you would have punted no wonder Dunkirk never wins anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadwick Bay Chad Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 We won the game dude Trust me. I am a great coach with a great football mind. It was the right call 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Yep so Marrone in Oak you would have punted Rex in Mia you would have punted no wonder Dunkirk never wins anything My vast and expert football knowledge says it was the correct call. Even Phil Simms agrees with me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 17 minutes ago, Dunkirk Don said: We won the game dude Trust me. I am a great coach with a great football mind. It was the right call My vast and expert football knowledge says it was the correct call. Even Phil Simms agrees with me And your bragging that Phil Simms agrees with you lol. Hope this is sarcasm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadwick Bay Chad Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 What is your problem our coach made a great call. Have you ever coached football? I have been a coach for 25 years and in the Chautauqua county hall of fame. It was the right call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Returntoglory Posted December 11, 2017 Author Share Posted December 11, 2017 2 hours ago, Buddy Hix said: So your wish is one grown man punches another grown man over a disagreement (Schopp is right btw) about football play calling... How's that perspective you possess working out for you in everyday life? (Schopp is wrong BTW) Not my daily perspective smart guy. Schopp is a douche and for once I would love for him to have the Balls to repeat some of his idiotic comments to McD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 2 hours ago, MAJBobby said: And Deonte Thompson doesnt make an insane catch (or interfered with) does it still justify the decision? From your 3rd string QB that really isnt a QB it was and always will be the wrong decision no matter what the outcome and Math shows that Show me the math. Write it out so we can see the numbers. Or be quiet. i didn't like the call but you can't argue with the result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 I have the win percentage drop with the punt. And with all due respect nah your not my boss and this is a message board i will not be quiet 2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Show me the math. Write it out so we can see the numbers. Or be quiet. i didn't like the call but you can't argue with the result. I have the win percentage drop with the punt. And with all due respect nah your not my boss and this is a message board i will not be quiet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bomb Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 33 minutes ago, Dunkirk Don said: We won the game dude Trust me. I am a great coach with a great football mind. It was the right call My vast and expert football knowledge says it was the correct call. Even Phil Simms agrees with me OMG, Phil Simms is a joke! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: I have the win percentage drop with the punt. And with all due respect nah your not my boss and this is a message board i will not be quiet I have the win percentage drop with the punt. And with all due respect nah your not my boss and this is a message board i will not be quiet You can't show the math then. What a tool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Just now, oldmanfan said: You can't show the math then. What a tool I have what a tool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 2 hours ago, MAJBobby said: Cant argue math. I got it this coach can do NO WRONG in your mind. He keeps doing it he loses more than he wins that is FACTS so tell me you only count on your defense inside the 10 to get the ball back but not at the 40 if stoped is that what you are saying This is the dumbest thing I've ever read. "He loses more than he wins that is FACTS" guy is 7-6 as a head coach with a talentless roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Just now, CLTbills said: This is the dumbest thing I've ever read. "He loses more than he wins that is FACTS" guy is 7-6 as a head coach with a talentless roster. The Math doesnt lie. He keeps making thise type decisions he will lose more of these games that come down to that choice than he will win them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: I have what a tool I looked at each of your posts in this thread. No numbers anywhere. Either show the math that says you're right or be quiet about the math showing him to be wrong. i didn't like it. But then started thinking. You don't get the yard they're closer to a FG to win and they had momentum. Pin the back you get better field position if you hold them. Have to hold them either way. Holding them deeper gives you better position. and in a game like that 14 yards is a lot. But that's math, a concept apparently foreign to you. 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: The Math doesnt lie. He keeps making thise type decisions he will lose more of these games that come down to that choice than he will win them. Then show the math. You haven't yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 When it happened I didnt like it. You cannot argue with the result. Mcdermott goes for and they dont make it maybe the game ends in a tie or loss. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 47 minutes ago, Mat68 said: When it happened I didnt like it. You cannot argue with the result. Mcdermott goes for and they dont make it maybe the game ends in a tie or loss. But then the fans would all understand and McD can go into the press conference and say that the Math and Percentages said he had to go for it....... They would all understand 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Just now, apuszczalowski said: But then the fans would all understand and McD can go into the press conference and say that the Math and Percentages said he had to go for it....... They would all understand Hahaha exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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