Prescott vs Peterman

[Billzgobowlin]

I was thinking about it this morning and with Sunday's game not withstanding why was the media so critical of Buffalo replacing Taylor but not the Cowboys replacing Romo.  The Cowboys were a playoff team with Romo there and it wasn't like Prescott was a top pick (he was 4th as opposed to Peterman being a 5th).  Got me also thinking if Peterman were in Dallas would he have done well with a decent O line.  People are complaining that Prescott struggled because he was missing Tyron, well replace his whole line with ours.  I think Peterman should be given time like Prescott to figure it out and if they don't make the playoffs it will be partial the team around him like defense and Oline and not just QB.  Let's face it Taylor doesn't win in this league unless this defense plays better and the O line can figure out pass protection(it wasn't like Peterman was holding onto the ball too long).

[oldmanfan]

The first pick was a big momentum changer and then things snowballed.  As you indicate, the big difference between Prescott and Peterman is that Prescott has the best O line in the league in front of him. 

 

I think the Bills will draft a QB day 1 or 2 next spring.  And I think Peterman will be the starter opening day next year.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

8 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said:

I was thinking about it this morning and with Sunday's game not withstanding why was the media so critical of Buffalo replacing Taylor but not the Cowboys replacing Romo.  The Cowboys were a playoff team with Romo there and it wasn't like Prescott was a top pick (he was 4th as opposed to Peterman being a 5th).  Got me also thinking if Peterman were in Dallas would he have done well with a decent O line.  People are complaining that Prescott struggled because he was missing Tyron, well replace his whole line with ours.  I think Peterman should be given time like Prescott to figure it out and if they don't make the playoffs it will be partial the team around him like defense and Oline and not just QB.  Let's face it Taylor doesn't win in this league unless this defense plays better and the O line can figure out pass protection(it wasn't like Peterman was holding onto the ball too long).

Hardly anyone w/o some sort of tie to  WNY  gives a **** about the Bills.

Even the local media hates the Bills 

[BuffaloHokie13]

8 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said:

I was thinking about it this morning and with Sunday's game not withstanding why was the media so critical of Buffalo replacing Taylor but not the Cowboys replacing Romo.

Probably because Romo was injured when they made Prescott the starter, and by the time Romo was healthy Prescott had led the Cowboys to a 6-1 record.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Just now, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Probably because Romo was injured when they made Prescott the starter, and by the time Romo was healthy Prescott had led the Cowboys to a 6-1 record.

True., but the age old argument is that a star shouldn't lose his job to injury. 

If it wasn't for Bledsoe in that one playoff game the Pats wouldn't have made it to the SB.  

[Forward Progress]

Very different scenario. Prescott went in because of an injury to Romo and played very well over several games before there was a choice to be made between Romo and Prescott. 

 

I do agree that playing quarterback behind the best O-line in football gives any QB a huge advantage over our mess of an O-line. 

[BuffaloHokie13]

1 minute ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

True., but the age old argument is that a star shouldn't lose his job to injury. 

There's also the one that says everyone's happy when you're winning. My main point was that the original decision wasn't even a choice, Romo was hurt. If Tyrod were injured in the Saints game nobody in the media would have questioned starting Peterman. If Peterman then led us on a 6-1 run, nobody would have questioned Tyrod not getting his job back.

[Kirby Jackson]

We’ve officially entered the upside down.

[Pirate Angel]

almost apples and oranges, Romo was injured, Dak played well and had a strong supporting cast to lean on. The best running game in the NFL a good group of recievers and a solid defense. If Dak wasnt solid then Romo would have been back in the instant he returned. The Bills have been playing historically awful football and in the attempt to light a spark it was like throwing gasoline on an already burning dumpster fire.

[26CornerBlitz]

11 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

We’ve officially entered the upside down.

 

As if Peterman compares favorably with Prescott with regard to the physical attributes that make him successful.  People seem desperate to find justification to keep playing Not Ready Nate. 

[HumbleAndHungry]

Prescott also went in to a lot better situation than Peterman. He had arguably the best O line in football.  A top 5 wr, top 5 TE....completely different circumstances 

[Billzgobowlin]

12 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

As if Peterman compares favorably with Prescott with regard to the physical attributes that make him successful.  People seem desperate to find justification to keep playing Not Ready Nate. 

That wasn't my intent to say he should be playing but somehow a 5th rounder being played is taboo because we were 5-4 and in the playoff hunt.  

[JohnC]

24 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

We’ve officially entered the upside down.

Have you ever watched the Twilight Zone or X-Files on TV? You have to have a "Cosmic" mentality to appreciate the shows.

[Billzgobowlin]

1 minute ago, Finkle Is Einhorn said:

Prescott also went in to a lot better situation than Peterman. He had arguably the best O line in football.  A top 5 wr, top 5 TE....completely different circumstances 

His situation doesn't change the fact that he was still a rookie and if anything it would show that Peterman's play was because of his lack of talent on offense

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

30 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

There's also the one that says everyone's happy when you're winning. My main point was that the original decision wasn't even a choice, Romo was hurt. If Tyrod were injured in the Saints game nobody in the media would have questioned starting Peterman. If Peterman then led us on a 6-1 run, nobody would have questioned Tyrod not getting his job back.

Actually Taylor did get hit hard (injured) in the game and I wondered if it effected his game.   

 

If you see stars in front of your eyes take a breather.    Playing injured isn't helping the team at any position.

Edited November 22, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan

[Billzgobowlin]

32 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

We’ve officially entered the upside down.

This thread wasn't started to provide crazy assumptions but rather to elicit some thought about why it was taboo for a 5th round rookie to start and not a 4th rounder.  And the Cowboys did have a former first round pick in Mark Sanchez on the team when they decided to go with Prescott.

Edited November 22, 2017 by Billzgobowlin

[BuffaloHokie13]

2 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Actually Taylor did get hit hard (injured) in the game and I wondered if it effected his game.   

 

If you see stars in front of your eyes take a breather.    Playing injured isn't helping the team at any position.

No. Just stop.

[26CornerBlitz]

3 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said:

That wasn't my intent to say he should be playing but somehow a 5th rounder being played is taboo because we were 5-4 and in the playoff hunt.  

 

Where he was drafted doesn't matter. It's what kind of player he is and what has he shown on the field of play to say he's ready to be an NFL starter.  The answer for me prior to last week's game was nothing and that was reaffirmed by what he demonstrated in the heat of battle. 

[SoTier]

33 minutes ago, Forward Progress said:

Very different scenario. Prescott went in because of an injury to Romo and played very well over several games before there was a choice to be made between Romo and Prescott. 

 

I do agree that playing quarterback behind the best O-line in football gives any QB a huge advantage over our mess of an O-line. 

 

Don't confuse True Believers with FACTS!   If they believe the situations with Prescott and Peterman were the same, then they were the same.

[HappyDays]

I do wonder about Prescott now, is he only good when he has a great running game and great offensive line backing him up?

[HumbleAndHungry]

9 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said:

His situation doesn't change the fact that he was still a rookie and if anything it would show that Peterman's play was because of his lack of talent on offense

So you don't think having an elite O line is an advantage?  Look at Prescotts play right now without Tyron Smith, which by the way even without smith their O line is still light years ahead of ours 

Edited November 22, 2017 by Finkle Is Einhorn

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

4 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

No. Just stop.

Stop what?  You don't agree that if he got his bell rung he should take a breather?   

 

If you can't think clearly how do you run an efficient and effective offense.  

Edited November 22, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan

[87168]

3 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Actually Taylor did get hit hard (injured) in the game and I wondered if it effected his game.   

 

If you see stars in front of your eyes take a breather.    Playing injured isn't helping the team at any position.

no he wasn't.

 

Romo was injured and they put in Prescott. when Prescott performed, he performed well, very well. he did not debut with 5 picks in the first half.

 

Romo wasn't benched in order to debut Prescott.

[Billzgobowlin]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Where he was drafted doesn't matter. It's what kind of player he is and what has he shown on the field of play to say he's ready to be an NFL starter.  The answer for me prior to last week's game was nothing and that was reaffirmed by what he demonstrated in the heat of battle. 

But neither did Prescott.....  Last week showed he couldn't handle the pass rush.  I would like to give him a pass and more than likely he was told to sling the ball like he did but he should have taken sacks.  Let's be clear though he only had two options with that pass rush though, get sacked or throw it and he obviously chose the wrong thing on multiple occasions.

[87168]

Just now, ShadyBillsFan said:

Stop what?  You don't agree that if he got his bell rung he should take a breather?   

 

that's for the team's medical staff and the player to decide. not the fans sitting at home. and obviously they both agreed it wasn't needed.

[BadLandsMeanie]

4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Where he was drafted doesn't matter. It's what kind of player he is and what has he shown on the field of play to say he's ready to be an NFL starter.  The answer for me prior to last week's game was nothing and that was reaffirmed by what he demonstrated in the heat of battle. 

How does somebody show on the filed that they are starter material, when they haven't been put into a game? I don't understand.

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, Billzgobowlin said:

But neither did Prescott.....  Last week showed he couldn't handle the pass rush.  I would like to give him a pass and more than likely he was told to sling the ball like he did but he should have taken sacks.  Let's be clear though he only had two options with that pass rush though, get sacked or throw it and he obviously chose the wrong thing on multiple occasions.

 

Prescott had a body of work before last week. Not comparable.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Jesus. You Defenders of Tyrod need to take a breather.  

 

Tyrod got up slowly after a hard hit.   I wondered if the hit effected him.   Why are you arguing this?  

Just now, BadLandsMeanie said:

How does somebody show on the filed that they are starter material, when they haven't been put into a game? I don't understand.

CopyPaste hates Nate.  You will not get an unbiased opinion from him. 

imo

[Billzgobowlin]

1 minute ago, Finkle Is Einhorn said:

So you don't think having an elite O line is an advantage?  Look at Prescotts play right now without Tyron Smith

Oh no don't mistake it I think it makes a huge difference.  We can't change our line though and offense is doomed to fail with any QB right now.  Wonder how the game would have looked though with Glenn and Henderson?

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 minutes ago, 87168 said:

that's for the team's medical staff and the player to decide. not the fans sitting at home. and obviously they both agreed it wasn't needed.

You were half right.   It's for the staff to decide, not the player.  

[Billzgobowlin]

2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Prescott had a body of work before last week. Not comparable.

Sorry I mean his first game as starter.  I'm talking about rookies starting their first game

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, Finkle Is Einhorn said:

So you don't think having an elite O line is an advantage?  Look at Prescotts play right now without Tyron Smith

 

It should be enough to shut up all the people who keep telling me left tackle isn't the important position it used to be in the NFL and it's all about offensive weapons these days and guys who can make plays.  

 

To me the Quarterback is the most important guy on the field.  Joint second is the guy you employ to keep your QB protected (primarily his blindside protector at Left Tackle) and the guy you employ to get the opponents Quarterback on the floor.  I'm not quite Bill from NYC in thinking that receivers and corners are ten a penny (or 10 a cent presumably in US money) a lockdown corner and a #1WR are next on the list.... but it starts with your QB, your LT and your pass rusher.  

[Billzgobowlin]

And just to be perfectly clear I am not comparing Prescott to Peterman, that would be stupid because they are two different players with two different backgrounds.  I am more comparing why the media thought it was a great idea to start a 4th round rookie for a playoff caliber team as opposed to a 5th round rookie for a downward spiraling playoff team.  

[26CornerBlitz]

2 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said:

Sorry I mean his first game as starter.  I'm talking about rookies starting their first game

 

Prescott was okay in his 1st game action in the regular season.  He certainly didn't throw up all over himself like Not Ready Nate. 

[Billzgobowlin]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It should be enough to shut up all the people who keep telling me left tackle isn't the important position it used to be in the NFL and it's all about offensive weapons these days and guys who can make plays.  

 

To me the Quarterback is the most important guy on the field.  Joint second is the guy you employ to keep your QB protected (primarily his blindside protector at Left Tackle) and the guy you employ to get the opponents Quarterback on the floor.  I'm not quite Bill from NYC in thinking that receivers and corners are ten a penny (or 10 a cent presumably in US money) a lockdown corner and a #1WR are next on the list.... but it starts with your QB, your LT and your pass rusher.  

Last week the RT was the one that did the most damage but we didn't have either playing exceptionally well

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Prescott was okay in his 1st game action in the regular season.  He certainly didn't throw up all over himself like Not Ready Nate. 

Which others attributed to a poor offensive line.....  I am also talking about before they played not after.  If hindsight was something we could do Peterman wouldn't have started that game

[BuffaloHokie13]

7 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Jesus. You Defenders of Tyrod need to take a breather.  

 

Tyrod got up slowly after a hard hit.   I wondered if the hit effected him.   Why are you arguing this?  

Romo had a broken bone in his back. That's very different than taking a hit. Why are you arguing that it isn't? The situations are nowhere near comparable.

[GunnerBill]

10 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Where he was drafted doesn't matter. It's what kind of player he is and what has he shown on the field of play to say he's ready to be an NFL starter.  The answer for me prior to last week's game was nothing and that was reaffirmed by what he demonstrated in the heat of battle. 

 

He showed exactly the same as his college tape does..... inaccuracy and bad decisions.  The one thing you always hear people say about Quarterbacks with a weaker arm is "smart and accurate with the football".  It is so cliched.... it just isn't true. You know 26 that I am more of a Tyrod doubter than you but I totally agree with you on Peterman.  I didn't think he was the answer before the draft, when we drafted him, during pre-season, or when McD named him the starter.  I get that it was inevitable at some point this year they had to see what they had in him..... but they should have waited until the playoffs were basically gone.  To do it last week looked risky at the time and was disastrous in hindsight.  

[26CornerBlitz]

2 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said:

Last week the RT was the one that did the most damage but we didn't have either playing exceptionally well

Which others attributed to a poor offensive line.....  I am also talking about before they played not after.  If hindsight was something we could do Peterman wouldn't have started that game

 

Same OL Taylor played behind.  No excuses for the purportedly "most pro ready QB in the draft"   What a crock that was. 

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said:

Last week the RT was the one that did the most damage but we didn't have either playing exceptionally well

 

I was talking more about Tyron Smith being out for Dallas than Glenn being out for the Bills, though it certainly applies there too.  

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He showed exactly the same as his college tape does..... inaccuracy and bad decisions.  The one thing you always hear people say about Quarterbacks with a weaker arm is "smart and accurate with the football".  It is so cliched.... it just isn't true. You know 26 that I am more of a Tyrod doubter than you but I totally agree with you on Peterman.  I didn't think he was the answer before the draft, when we drafted him, during pre-season, or when McD named him the starter.  I get that it was inevitable at some point this year they had to see what they had in him..... but they should have waited until the playoffs were basically gone.  To do it last week looked risky at the time and was disastrous in hindsight.  

 

Tyrod is limited as I have said many times and the Bills need to look to the draft to find their potential franchise guy.  Neither of the current QBs on the roster are that guy IMO.