Livinginthepast Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Watching the Saints O Line destroy us today got me thinking. Why have we not invested in a quality Oline to go with arguably our best RB in 2 decades? The pass protection for TT is decent but this current line cannot seem to open any holes for McCoy. It seems that he earns every yard he gets because he makes his own space out there. Watching Tolbert or anyone else run the ball with this line is painful. They go nowhere fast. I also wonder if this O line's pass protection abilities are also just an illusion because TT is able to avoid sacks with his scrambling. This combined with some ill timed holding penalties have killed us this year on offense. Or is this all down to Denison's lack of creativity in his run blocking schemes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Never liked the O-line, they let Kelly take a brutal beating which cut years off his excellence Rob Johnson was always down two steps into his drop back, Flutie took to the shotgun and rolling to either sideline to save his skin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Virtually the same offensive line we have now lead the league in rushing the past two seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted November 13, 2017 Author Share Posted November 13, 2017 1 minute ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: Virtually the same offensive line we have now lead the league in rushing the past two seasons. so what changed this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 we’ve invested quite a bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Did not invest in oL hmmmmm 2nd round LT re-signed big money LG re-signed big money 1st round Center Mid pick used on OG inactive 2nd round pick used here had to play LT investments are there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Just now, Livinginthepast said: so what changed this year? Theyve gone from an inside zone scheme to an outside zone scheme. Done little to nothing to address the RT position, even though it was a glaring need. Downgraded at RG for god knows why, an aging LG and overpaid the mediocre center on the tail end of his career. Oh, and our stud LT is injured. So there is that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
re enlightener Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 5 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: Virtually the same offensive line we have now lead the league in rushing the past two seasons. yes because tight wad always added 500 yards since he cant pass, this is a stupid claim to fame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 The OL gets hammered a ton sometimes rightfully so but the QB play or lack there of really puts alot of stress on them and makes their job harder than it should be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 OLine last year was good. We were a top rushing offense. So the coaching staff turns over this offseason and we have what is here now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 5 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: Theyve gone from an inside zone scheme to an outside zone scheme. Done little to nothing to address the RT position, even though it was a glaring need. Downgraded at RG for god knows why, an aging LG and overpaid the mediocre center on the tail end of his career. Oh, and our stud LT is injured. So there is that. They've been in charge less than a full offseason...if they ignore it this offseason then there's a problem. Patience... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Just now, Buffalo30 said: They've been in charge less than a full offseason...if they ignore it this offseason then there's a problem. Patience... I was simply explaining the difference, not placing blame. If I wanted to do that, my response would be a whole lot longer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) Our O-Line played well today. TT had plenty of time in the pocket. Edited November 13, 2017 by Real McCoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 7 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: Our O-Line played well today. TT had plenty of time in the pocket. Besides that they couldn't open a hole to gain a yard, they did great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Oline was fine today. Definitely not why we lost today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, vincec said: Besides that they couldn't open a hole to gain a yard, they did great. We ran the Ball 15 times all game though for 5+ yards a carry. That actually is not that bad honest when the D is stacking the Box again all game trying to force TT to throw. When he was in the pocket it was clean. The little 3yd check downs kill everything. Edited November 13, 2017 by Real McCoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, vincec said: Besides that they couldn't open a hole to gain a yard, they did great. Down so much so fast, I’d venture run blocking only hurt so bad today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dulles Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 23 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: We ran the Ball 15 times all game though for 5+ yards a carry. That actually is not that bad honest when the D is stacking the Box again all game trying to force TT to throw. When he was in the pocket it was clean. The little 3yd check downs kill everything. If you take out Shady's big run on the first drive, we looked pretty bad. Can't even get a half yard with the "Tol-dozer" - that was pathetic! 37 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: Our O-Line played well today. TT had plenty of time in the pocket. The issue with TT is that he WON'T/CAN'T throw guys open. He's reaching Trentative levels of check-downedness. You know it is bad when you see a Case Keenum highlight and you start wishing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Last year? Lead league in rushing, gave up very few sacks. This is Rex all over again. Ruined the best thing we had going for our team.. I just don't get it ! Majority of us fans on here would have enough common sense to keep what's right, replace what's wrong to maximize success . But no, we hire a coordinator and oline coach that run a completely different scheme than the one that lead the NFL in rushing for 2 consecutive years. Letting Shady's talent basically go to waste Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) 1. Cordy Glenn has been out for most of the first 9 games. 2. Eric Wood is not as good as he used to be; injury/age 3. Ryan Groy was an upgrade over Eric Wood when he started the final 7 games of last year. Here's what PFF said: https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2017/7/10/15947006/pro-football-focus-ryan-groy-buffalo-bills-secret-superstar For some unknown reason, they decided to re-sign the poorer/older/more expensive center and not play Groy at all, not even at guard. Doug Whaley: the fired GM who just keeps on giving. 4. Richie is old. PFF rates him as "average" this year after being one of the better guards the last couple years. 5. Miller has regressed to his rookie performance. Ducasse still sucks. We have no RG. 6. We still have no starting quality RT, unless Dawkins is able to grab that job. It all adds up to what we've seen. And I'm not fooled by the gaudy rushing YPC last year; a lot of that was the Roman/Lynn offense in which Tyrod was used as a running weapon/decoy, the classic "11 on 11" run game that always results in better running stats. A lot of that has been taken out of the offensive scheme this year, which may be good for Tyrod's health, but isn't good for the Bills' run game overall. Edited November 13, 2017 by The Frankish Reich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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