row_33 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 After yesterday's well choreographed Picture Day at the Bills 3 on the INT, imagine what Sammy and Woods have in store for each of their 5 TDs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 2 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: But the franchise is worth $3 Billion vs. Buffalo's $1.6 Billion. Yes funny seeing all those empty seats, but means very little in the long run. But back to the game and Rob Woods TD's...... How can a player be so open on a play as Woods was? Please don't credit Goff as it was as simple a pass as one could make. Add to that all game Watkins had a DB 10 yards off him and finally they threw that simple TD pass to him and it makes you wonder what is going on and why not exploited more often. Watching Goff he is not that good. He is the product of an Offense that has weapons and they are exploiting them. Great formations and play calling. Heck Cooper Kupp is getting twice as many targets as Watkins and Gurley is used like McCoy as the checkdown/safety valve. Taylor has McCoy and had Woods and Watkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Just now, SoTier said: Actually, you're the one who isn't thinking logically. Billsfan1972 is looking at Goff critically as a QB, not at his stats. His criticisms of Goff's play simply echo what numerous other observers have mentioned. On another team, like the 2016 Rams or the 2017 Buffalo Bills, Goff would look like a bust (he was already considered that by some after last season), but he's on the 2017 Rams, a team with an smart, offensive minded young HC who was smart enough to go out and hire one of the master DCs in the game today (similar to Pitt and Tomlin hiring Dick LeBeau as their DC back a decade or so), and a FO willing to go out and get more protection (Whitworth) as well as weapons for their young QB. Taylor's situation is reversed. He's on a team with a questionable OL that has struggled to adapt to new block schemes and with injuries. His entire receiving corps was sent packing and replaced by a JAG WR (Matthews) and a rookie who had the yips for most of the season and then got hurt. Benjamin has been with the team 2 weeks, hardly time to become a viable part of the offense, but one of the reasons that Carolina was willing to part with him was that he wasn't much of downfield threat. The Bills simply do not have the talent at WR to stretch the field, so good defensive teams play the WRs tight, put their safeties up close to the LOS which enables them to shut down both the run and YAC on check-downs, and blitz the QB at will. You can complain about Taylor all you want but the Saints rang up 295 yards and 6 TDs on the Bills D. That's the real problem, and that is solely on the coaching staff and FO, and it's not going to be solved by putting in Peterman or by drafting a first QB in 2018. No, I'm not thinking emotionally. BillsFan1972 admitted he was being petty....that's not logically thinking. We all know how bad the defense was. Taylor had time to throw yesterday, Matthews isn't a JAG. He's a good slot and possession WR....he's just not a #1. Benjamin is a #1. A trio of Clay, Matthews and Benjamin is a good enough trio to work and work well. Benjamin was thrown to 3 times on the first drive and that's it....ignored after that. Deonte Thompson can have a great day after being on the team for a few days playing Tampa but Benjamin can't? You can defend 56 yards passing and deflect the blame off of Taylor which honestly is ridiculous. Goff is a top 5 MVP candidate so far. You can be petty and focus on what you feel are his limitations but when you're the starting QB on a team average over 30 points per game....you're doing more right than wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: No, I'm not thinking emotionally. BillsFan1972 admitted he was being petty....that's not logically thinking. We all know how bad the defense was. Taylor had time to throw yesterday, Matthews isn't a JAG. He's a good slot and possession WR....he's just not a #1. Benjamin is a #1. A trio of Clay, Matthews and Benjamin is a good enough trio to work and work well. Benjamin was thrown to 3 times on the first drive and that's it....ignored after that. Deonte Thompson can have a great day after being on the team for a few days playing Tampa but Benjamin can't? You can defend 56 yards passing and deflect the blame off of Taylor which honestly is ridiculous. Goff is a top 5 MVP candidate so far. You can be petty and focus on what you feel are his limitations but when you're the starting QB on a team average over 30 points per game....you're doing more right than wrong. While I admitted to being petty, I still am not that impressed with Goff as I've watched him and his #'s are great, but doesn't pass the eye test imo. Until the TD to Watkins the DB was 10 yards off him, which could have been exploited a lot earlier. The reliance on Cooper Kupp over Watkins is criminal in my mind. He too makes a # of bad throws during the game & also he is not overly mobile. The TD to Woods was the right read to a receiver 10 yards open. Also the Rams D have feasted on some of the worst QB's in the league to date resulting in the Offense having many possessions. TT was lousy yesterday, but when the opposing team calls 24 consecutive running plays, it is much more then the QB. Edited November 13, 2017 by Billsfan1972 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Just now, Billsfan1972 said: While I admitted to being petty, I still am not that impressed with Goff as I've watched him and his #'s are great, but doesn't pass the eye test imo. Until the TD to Watkins the DB was 10 yards off him, which could have been exploited a lot earlier. The reliance on Cooper Kupp over Watkins is criminal in my mind. He too makes a # of bad throws during the game & also he is not overly mobile. The TD to Woods was the right read to a receiver 10 yards open. Also the Rams D have feasted on some of the worst QB's in the league to date resulting in the Offense having many possessions. TT was lousy yesterday, but when the opposing team calls 24 consecutive running plays, it is much more then the QB. The guy is playing at an MVP level and you're criticizing him because he's not targeting Sammy enough. That is as petty as petty can get. So he hits open WR....oh no. Let me find a way to criticize that. Petty as petty can get. You simply don't care about production. That's the bottom line. You care about your "eye" test which I don't think is very strong because you're so extremely petty. Let me asking you a simply question. Right now, would you choose Tyrod Taylor or Jared Goff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 24 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: The guy is playing at an MVP level and you're criticizing him because he's not targeting Sammy enough. That is as petty as petty can get. So he hits open WR....oh no. Let me find a way to criticize that. Petty as petty can get. You simply don't care about production. That's the bottom line. You care about your "eye" test which I don't think is very strong because you're so extremely petty. Let me asking you a simply question. Right now, would you choose Tyrod Taylor or Jared Goff? I'd take TT right now. When Sammy was healthy TT was connecting with him on much tougher passes then Goff is completing. They hit on many long bombs. The Bills offense is putrid and Goff would be worse if he was asked to guide it. TT has done a much better job avoiding the rush and actually made many more tough passes this year then Goff. Now answer me this.... Have you watched the Rams games? I have and Goff has done what was asked of him. They have two close wins (leading the majority of the game) and two close losses, where Goff did not deliver given the chances. Wow sounds much like the Bills & TT, but with way more weapons and better coaching. Watch the Rams and how fluid they are when things are clicking. Conversely a little adversity and yes they are not that good either. Rams have wins vs. Scott Tolzien, Brian Hoyer, Blake Bortles, Drew Stanton & Tom Savage already this year........ Say what you want but the Bills outside Simian have at least played vs. quality QBs...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 3 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: But the franchise is worth $3 Billion vs. Buffalo's $1.6 Billion. Yes funny seeing all those empty seats, but means very little in the long run. But back to the game and Rob Woods TD's...... How can a player be so open on a play as Woods was? Please don't credit Goff as it was as simple a pass as one could make. Add to that all game Watkins had a DB 10 yards off him and finally they threw that simple TD pass to him and it makes you wonder what is going on and why not exploited more often. Watching Goff he is not that good. He is the product of an Offense that has weapons and they are exploiting them. Great formations and play calling. Heck Cooper Kupp is getting twice as many targets as Watkins and Gurley is used like McCoy as the checkdown/safety valve. Don't credit Goff? You make it sound like throwing a 52 yard strike in the air is easy. Gotta give him some credit for the play fake and perfect throw, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 6 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: I'd take TT right now. When Sammy was healthy TT was connecting with him on much tougher passes then Goff is completing. They hit on many long bombs. The Bills offense is putrid and Goff would be worse if he was asked to guide it. TT has done a much better job avoiding the rush and actually made many more tough passes this year then Goff. Now answer me this.... Have you watched the Rams games? I have and Goff has done what was asked of him. They have two close wins (leading the majority of the game) and two close losses, where Goff did not deliver given the chances. Wow sounds much like the Bills & TT, but with way more weapons and better coaching. Watch the Rams and how fluid they are when things are clicking. Conversely a little adversity and yes they are not that good either. Rams have wins vs. Scott Tolzien, Brian Hoyer, Blake Bortles, Drew Stanton & Tom Savage already this year........ Say what you want but the Bills outside Simian have at least played vs. quality QBs...... Okay we are done here. This post is as bad as bad can get. Geezus. 3 minutes ago, K-9 said: Don't credit Goff? You make it sound like throwing a 52 yard strike in the air is easy. Gotta give him some credit for the play fake and perfect throw, no? He is beyond strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 1 minute ago, K-9 said: Don't credit Goff? You make it sound like throwing a 52 yard strike in the air is easy. Gotta give him some credit for the play fake and perfect throw, no? It was a pass that an NFL QB just can not miss.... He made it and does get credit. I was just stating it was a wide open receiver with no coverage and good blocking. 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: Okay we are done here. This post is as bad as bad can get. Geezus. He is beyond strange. I see you didn't answer the question. Have you watched the Rams games or just the highlight package. I've watched a fair bit and he has played very well, but not at an MVP level. I've also watched TT and he looks handcuffed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 3 hours ago, Dr. K said: Yes. I can't believe how many post there still are saying Dareus or Watson are worthless, that the other players Beane got rid of are "just a guy." While Mike Tolbert is playing running back for the Bills. My biggest problem with Tolbert is there are far too many cases where he is moving parallel to the line. It's nonsense, he's not shady... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 The Bills should get a tax write off for donating to charity for handing the Rams a playoff berth. They were a joke organization, people were calling Goff a bust after 7 starts, and their top wr was Tavon Austin, who is 3’5”. Now they have an elite threat that defenses have to focus on every play, which opens up everything for Gurley and the other WRs. Now, we are going to have a really low 2nd and a cb who will probably walk because he’s less durable than Sammy. Awesome. Trust the process! 3 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: It was a pass that an NFL QB just can not miss.... He made it and does get credit. I was just stating it was a wide open receiver with no coverage and good blocking. I see you didn't answer the question. Have you watched the Rams games or just the highlight package. I've watched a fair bit and he has played very well, but not at an MVP level. I've also watched TT and he looks handcuffed. I believe the 5th OC will be the charm for TT. We also need to spend both of our 1sts on WRs and TT will be able to finally shine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: The Bills should get a tax write off for donating to charity for handing the Rams a playoff berth. They were a joke organization, people were calling Goff a bust after 7 starts, and their top wr was Tavon Austin, who is 3’5”. Now they have an elite threat that defenses have to focus on every play, which opens up everything for Gurley and the other WRs. Now, we are going to have a really low 2nd and a cb who will probably walk because he’s less durable than Sammy. Awesome. Trust the process! That is certainly an understandable take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: It was a pass that an NFL QB just can not miss.... He made it and does get credit. I was just stating it was a wide open receiver with no coverage and good blocking. I see you didn't answer the question. Have you watched the Rams games or just the highlight package. I've watched a fair bit and he has played very well, but not at an MVP level. I've also watched TT and he looks handcuffed. I have Sunday Ticket and yes, I have watched the Rams a lot especially since they are on at 4:00 pm a lot. Whether you like it or not....probably hate it but he’s in the running for MVP right now. 16/4 TD INT ratio, 2,300+ yards right now and over 100 rating... I don’t take into consideration your eyeball test because I think it’s not a strong evaluation too IMO....you even admitted you’re petty. You look for things to criticize Goff but will defend Taylor. Geezus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 15 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: It was a pass that an NFL QB just can not miss.... He made it and does get credit. I was just stating it was a wide open receiver with no coverage and good blocking. I see you didn't answer the question. Have you watched the Rams games or just the highlight package. I've watched a fair bit and he has played very well, but not at an MVP level. I've also watched TT and he looks handcuffed. maybe he's "handcuffed" because everyone in the building knows he can't do **** even AVERAGE QBs can do. the dude is a RB playing QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 1 hour ago, joesixpack said: maybe he's "handcuffed" because everyone in the building knows he can't do **** even AVERAGE QBs can do. the dude is a RB playing QB. I’m not going that far because he does some things well as a qb. But it’s a joke the amount of excuses made for him. If Trent, JP, or EJ had 56 yards passing, no one would defend them (actually I probably would have when I was a giant homer ). but he is on OC #3. Maybe it isn’t always the OC. Like I move with my girlfriend to 3 different places and she cheats on me in every location, maybe it’s not the location. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 5 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I’m not going that far because he does some things well as a qb. But it’s a joke the amount of excuses made for him. If Trent, JP, or EJ had 56 yards passing, no one would defend them (actually I probably would have when I was a giant homer ). but he is on OC #3. Maybe it isn’t always the OC. Like I move with my girlfriend to 3 different places and she cheats on me in every location, maybe it’s not the location. Yes he sucked yesterday. The one play he made to Clay for 25 yards was called back. A great long pass to Thompson that was dropped (tough catch but a perfect pass). Let's look too at the play by play..... http://www.espn.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=400951555 Gonna blame him for the Charles Clay int too? Actually no chance and going through it as bad as he was, really no chance to succeed. A few not great passes to Benjamin and Saints just ramming it down the Bills throat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 1 minute ago, Billsfan1972 said: Yes he sucked yesterday. The one play he made to Clay for 25 yards was called back. A great long pass to Thompson that was dropped (tough catch but a perfect pass). Let's look too at the play by play..... http://www.espn.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=400951555 Gonna blame him for the Charles Clay int too? Actually no chance and going through it as bad as he was, really no chance to succeed. A few not great passes to Benjamin and Saints just ramming it down the Bills throat. I'm going to put some blame on Taylor for the Clay INT. Wanna know why? It was 3rd and 12 and he threw a 4 yard pass. Will that move the sticks even if it's caught? Nope. Then when it's 3rd and 1....40 yard pass down the field. We just needed one yard....just one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 2 hours ago, nucci said: Taylor has McCoy and had Woods and Watkins And, as a tandem, Woods and Watkins are producing almost exactly the same as they did here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 5 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: And, as a tandem, Woods and Watkins are producing almost exactly the same as they did here. Which is much better than we have right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, nucci said: Which is much better than we have right now For sure. Not arguing that. I just think it's funny that people are watching Rams highlights and claiming Watkins & Woods have gotten definitively better than when they were here. Woods has certainly outperformed his career numbers thus far, but Watkins has regressed (from a production standpoint) to the point that the tandem is near identical to when they were on the most run heavy team in the NFL. Also, I'm just waiting for someone to ask who this Tandem guy is... Edited November 13, 2017 by BuffaloHokie13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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