section122 Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 10 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: We'll see. I hope he's wrong. I want to do what Seattle did. They brought back the previous years starter, Tarvaris Jackson who played OK the 2 years before but not great. They signed Matt Flynn. They drafted Russell Wilson. They went with the best of the three. Or the Vikings. They had Teddy. He got hurt they traded for Bradford. Then they signed Case. Any of their 3 QBs could start on most teams including ours. Why do we want to put all our QB eggs in one basket? This is exactly the strategy I hope they employ. Keep Tyrod and hopefully the young guy beats him out. There is no need to be worse at the position. Keep Tyrod and try to get better at the position. Then you know what the floor is. 5 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: Wentz and/or Watson might've done it. Luck did it in 2014. Peyton 2013. Brees 2012. Brees, Rodgers, Stafford 2011. Half of that is enticing. LOL Luck had 40 half of that is 20... Weird that you skipped 2015. Oh wait nobody got higher than Brady's 36 How about 2016? Oh Rodgers led the league at 40? How about in 2017? Anyone? No? hmm so in the last 3 years NOBODY has doubled 21 or 22. Prior to that 5 guys have done it in the last 6 years. We aren't asking you to change your opinion on Tyrod. We are asking you to use facts in your argument and not your overemotional overreactions. That's all. You can think Tyrod isn't the answer and you can think the teams needs to improve at the spot. You can't call him the 30-35th best qb when no numbers back that up. You can't call him a backup at best when there aren't 32 better players than him at the position. Brian freaking Hoyer was a week 1 starter this year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, section122 said: This is exactly the strategy I hope they employ. Keep Tyrod and hopefully the young guy beats him out. There is no need to be worse at the position. Keep Tyrod and try to get better at the position. Then you know what the floor is. Luck had 40 half of that is 20... Weird that you skipped 2015. Oh wait nobody got higher than Brady's 36 How about 2016? Oh Rodgers led the league at 40? How about in 2017? Anyone? No? hmm so in the last 3 years NOBODY has doubled 21 or 22. Prior to that 5 guys have done it in the last 6 years. We aren't asking you to change your opinion on Tyrod. We are asking you to use facts in your argument and not your overemotional overreactions. That's all. You can think Tyrod isn't the answer and you can think the teams needs to improve at the spot. You can't call him the 30-35th best qb when no numbers back that up. You can't call him a backup at best when there aren't 32 better players than him at the position. Brian freaking Hoyer was a week 1 starter this year! I know that. Hokie already said that. Are you gonna come with something new? When comprising a list of QB's that had 40 TD's or higher, it's "weird" I skipped a year where no one did so? Are you feeling okay little buddy? Edited December 28, 2017 by jmc12290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 3 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: I know that. Hokie already said that. Are you gonna come with something new? When comprising a list of QB's that had 40 TD's or higher, it's "weird" I skipped a year where no one did so? Are you feeling okay little buddy? I feel fine. You stated that "It's not like we in a world where QB's double that in a season." Extremely rarely that it does happen. In fact I just looked it up and there are only 12 seasons EVER where qbs have passed for 40 or more. That wasn't even your original post it was double 21 or 22. There have been 8 such seasons in the history of the NFL. Your post made it try to seem like it happens all the time. Like I said use facts and people won't have issue with your takes. Exaggerate and you will be corrected. Got it little buddy? (I keed) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 4 minutes ago, section122 said: I feel fine. You stated that "It's not like we in a world where QB's double that in a season." Extremely rarely that it does happen. In fact I just looked it up and there are only 12 seasons EVER where qbs have passed for 40 or more. That wasn't even your original post it was double 21 or 22. There have been 8 such seasons in the history of the NFL. Your post made it try to seem like it happens all the time. Like I said use facts and people won't have issue with your takes. Exaggerate and you will be corrected. Got it little buddy? (I keed) Okay okay, almost double. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: Okay okay, almost double. Almost is only good in horseshoes and hand grenades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 31 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: Wentz and/or Watson might've done it. Luck did it in 2014. Peyton 2013. Brees 2012. Brees, Rodgers, Stafford 2011. Half of that is enticing. LOL Wentz was under pace. Watson was on pace, but didn't even get through half the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandfourteen Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 4 minutes ago, section122 said: You can't call him the 30-35th best qb when no numbers back that up. You can't call him a backup at best when there aren't 32 better players than him at the position. Brian freaking Hoyer was a week 1 starter this year! In no particular order: Brady Brees Rogers Ben Rivers Ryan Wilson Wentz Goff Stafford Luck Cousins Smith Garappolo Newton Bortles Dalton Carr Bridgewater Manning McCown Keenum Flacco Brissett Prescott Mariota Bradford There are 27. Is that close enough for you? Palmer Cutler Those two don't really count, since they are pretty much done. But they get us to 29. Then there's Tyrod at either 28 or 30, depending on how you look at Carson and Smokin' Jay. Now we get to the rookies. Tyrod is probably better at the moment, but who knows where they end up in the future. Beathard has already had better single game passing production with a garbage 49'ers WR group, but that could just be an anomaly. Trubisky Kizer Beathard Garbage men: Glennon Osweiler Savage Yates etc etc etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 38 minutes ago, section122 said: Name 29 better qbs than Tyrod. I'll wait... Ive got 23 of em 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 3 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said: In no particular order: I give you credit for actually answering. (serious no sarcasm) I take issue with Flacco (worse than TT since 15), Dalton (worse that TT since 2015), Palmer (old), Cutler, Brissett (what? please explain), Bradford (can't stay healthy), Mariota (bad this year), Bridgewater (TT light coming off of major injury another I'd like you to tell me why), Eli (it's all over for him) So that puts him around 20th for me give or take. Same place he was at the beginning of the year. I appreciate the discussion. I'd be happy to debate the guys I've listed here so give it a shot. How are the guys I listed better than Tyrod? In what ways? Is there anything he is better at than them in your opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 4 minutes ago, section122 said: I give you credit for actually answering. (serious no sarcasm) I take issue with Flacco (worse than TT since 15), Dalton (worse that TT since 2015), Palmer (old), Cutler, Brissett (what? please explain), Bradford (can't stay healthy), Mariota (bad this year), Bridgewater (TT light coming off of major injury another I'd like you to tell me why), Eli (it's all over for him) So that puts him around 20th for me give or take. Same place he was at the beginning of the year. I appreciate the discussion. I'd be happy to debate the guys I've listed here so give it a shot. How are the guys I listed better than Tyrod? In what ways? Is there anything he is better at than them in your opinion? Mariota for Tyrod straight up you say no ? They cant all be Carson Wentz’s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 4 hours ago, jmc12290 said: Not relative to the total number of team targets. I have another math lesson for you! LA Rams targets to WR's as a percentage of total: 66.6% Buffalo Bills targets to WR's: 49.8% WOAH! I'm shocked, aren't you? LA Rams targets to RB's: 18.4% Buffalo Bills targets to RB's: 24.3% Woooooooooow. It's almost like our crappy QB throws to his RB's way more than another team with a competent QB does, and to his WR's less than another team with a competent QB does. Almost like I said that, word for word. Thanks for playing. Who cares? Shady is the absolute best player on our offense by far, Clay is the 2nd best and our WR corps is one of the worst in the NFL for the 2nd year in a row. That is why Shady is #1 in targets and Clay is #2. Get the ball in the hands of your best players and that's what we're doing. What the heck is your problem with that? Taylor is not the eighth best QB in the NFL and he's not the 11th or the 14th. But he sure as hell is not the 30-35th, either. Everyone, I would say absolutely everyone wants to upgrade on Taylor this off-season. So what is your problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 4 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: So you're saying Tyrod used to be competent and forgot how to play? Not sure if he could ever play. Full time anyway. What tells me he is incompetent isn't stats. It's his decision making (when he does decide to make one). Like on a 4th and four trying to connect with a 240lb tight end on a 45 yd fly pattern. Or with momentum swinging to the enemy, taking a 15 yd sack on first down deep in your own end while you still have a shot at the game. He should know better by now. He's horrible. I would have him as a backup QB that's it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 (edited) 29 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Who cares? Shady is the absolute best player on our offense by far, Clay is the 2nd best and our WR corps is one of the worst in the NFL for the 2nd year in a row. That is why Shady is #1 in targets and Clay is #2. Get the ball in the hands of your best players and that's what we're doing. What the heck is your problem with that? Taylor is not the eighth best QB in the NFL and he's not the 11th or the 14th. But he sure as hell is not the 30-35th, either. Everyone, I would say absolutely everyone wants to upgrade on Taylor this off-season. So what is your problem? The WR's get worse and worse so he's throwing to the rb's more and that doesn't make sense because? Edited December 29, 2017 by Maine-iac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 What was the Kelly to Thomas rate? Anone know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 7 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: What was the Kelly to Thomas rate? Anone know? Kelly generally completed between 270 and 300 passes a season with Thomas catching between roughly 50 to 60. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandfourteen Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 3 hours ago, section122 said: I give you credit for actually answering. (serious no sarcasm) I take issue with Flacco (worse than TT since 15), Dalton (worse that TT since 2015), Palmer (old), Cutler, Brissett (what? please explain), Bradford (can't stay healthy), Mariota (bad this year), Bridgewater (TT light coming off of major injury another I'd like you to tell me why), Eli (it's all over for him) So that puts him around 20th for me give or take. Same place he was at the beginning of the year. I appreciate the discussion. I'd be happy to debate the guys I've listed here so give it a shot. How are the guys I listed better than Tyrod? In what ways? Is there anything he is better at than them in your opinion? I just realized I accidentally left Watson of the list. This list is predicated on the fact that this is a passing league -- 300 yards doesn't really mean as much as it used to, and the top guys are occasionally hitting 450-500 in a game. Now, it's not fair to expect 300-500 yards on a regular basis, but you have to have a QB that has a game or two like that somewhere in his bag to at least stand a chance against the big guys. Flacco & Eli - The criteria here was "If I have one game against Brady, who would I want under center?" These two guys have done it, are still capable of going for 350+ on rare occasion, can read defenses and run a passing attack at a much higher level than Taylor. Palmer/Cutler/Bradford - The only case I can make for them is that they are much better pure passers and that success in the NFL is contingent on throwing the ball. I could see knocking them down though because of Taylor's age and intangibles at the position. These three could go either way, I don't really care. Bradford is probably an upgrade over TT, though. Brissett/Bridgewater/Mariota -- Younger guys who have shown that they have higher ceilings than Taylor, especially in the passing game. If I'm a GM, I go with any of these guys over TT and take a shot at the upside. In fact, the more I think about it... really the only thing keeping Taylor out of the "Osweiler/Savage/Yates" group is that Taylor is much smarter than them, he doesn't blow up in any spectacular fashion. He understands his limitations and works it better. He still costs you games in the end, though. It's just not due to dramatic INTs or some sort of "C'mon Man!" highlight. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wily Dog Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 It appears to me that this post is the last gasp , hopefully, of a person or persons who cannot realize the shortcomings of a QB who for three years has driven most of us to drink. Come on Fellow,"s"' pack it up and move on to bigger and better things. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 4, 2018 Author Share Posted January 4, 2018 Kay Adams: Tyrod Taylor Earned Respect for Taking Bills to the Playoffs (2:56) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Kay Adams: Tyrod Taylor Earned Respect for Taking Bills to the Playoffs (2:56) seems about right. average..... flawed qb with the ability for the spectacular a couple plays a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 (edited) You ask Von Miller who he and his team would rather face... Tyrod or Brady? Tyrod or Roethlisberger? Tyrod or Rodgers? Tyrod or Brees? I dont even even know why I waste my time.... I want the Bills to have a QB that can lead this team to the playoffs year in and year out. Not rely on Andy Dalton. I hate that everyone thinks he’s so great cause he can run! But what if he didn’t need to run? Make an audible, change the play, actually throw to open recievers, make proper reads.... Great he can run around, he can also get caught and force a 2nd & 25 Edited January 4, 2018 by 1ZAYDAY1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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