DriveFor1Outta5 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 It's a young team and there's going to be some growing pains. Patience, my friend. Actually we are one of the oldest teams in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 It's a young team and there's going to be some growing pains. Patience, my friend. No it's not. They have the 2nd oldest team in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 It's a young team and there's going to be some growing pains. Patience, my friend. Actually I believe we are the second oldest team in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusher Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Yup...clearly every other person on the Bills is at fault besides TT. This has been the story of his career with Bills. The good news is that it's winding down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 This is so true. It had been the Hallmark of the drought. Losing close winnable games because non one steps up. SJ vs Pitt. 10 men on the field when we need a stop. Missed FGs. Tuel Time vs Cheaps. On and on and on. I was hoping this culture and process thing might fix it. So far, looks like more of the same. Somebody needs to step up in games like this, but no one did. He almost did, amazingly got hands on ball. Like the poster above me said. Growing pains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 I know this is early, and bash me if you want, but does anyone else worry that Jones will become the next Josh Reed? For a second round pick, I don't see him as a number one WR or an explosive slot guy. I just haven't seen anything that looks like playmaking potential in this guy. I'm not judging this based on results of only two games. I'm judging this based on the skill set that I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 I know this is early, and bash me if you want, but does anyone else worry that Jones will become the next Josh Reed? For a second round pick, I don't see him as a number one WR or an explosive slot guy. I just haven't seen anything that looks like playmaking potential in this guy. I'm not judging this based on results of only two games. I'm judging this based on the skill set that I see. What i see is, mediocre WR's and a mediocre QB throwing them the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 (edited) It was a tough catch but makeable I'm really not that upset about it I only wish they would have tried to hurry up offense earlier they seem to move the ball better with it needed to try something Edited September 18, 2017 by TYROD1QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusher Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 I know this is early, and bash me if you want, but does anyone else worry that Jones will become the next Josh Reed? For a second round pick, I don't see him as a number one WR or an explosive slot guy. I just haven't seen anything that looks like playmaking potential in this guy. I'm not judging this based on results of only two games. I'm judging this based on the skill set that I see. I think he's more talented and a better athlete than Josh Reed, but yeah...I'm not sold that he will become a great player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 What i see is, mediocre WR's and a mediocre QB throwing them the ball. I agree, but when you draft a second round WR you hope for better than mediocre. There is no way that you can judge Jones two games into his career. That is not what I'm doing. I just don't see a skill set in Jones that gives him the potential to reach as high of a ceiling as you'd hope a second round WR could reach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 If Peterman is in, there's no way Zay stumbles on his route. It's crisply run and he makes the TD catch for the win. The magical backup QB always wins. That's not true. If Peterman was in we would have completed about 20 passes that didn't exist and our offense would have worked in a rhythm and made about 30 first downs in a row even though he never did three in a row in preseason and he would have led us to a 28-9 lead so we never would have needed the last drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 I know this is early, and bash me if you want, but does anyone else worry that Jones will become the next Josh Reed? For a second round pick, I don't see him as a number one WR or an explosive slot guy. I just haven't seen anything that looks like playmaking potential in this guy. I'm not judging this based on results of only two games. I'm judging this based on the skill set that I see. That does not worry me at all. Two very different types of WR's in my mind. Zay's college production is ridiculous, regardless of mediocre competition. I'm a believer over the long haul and with the right cast. Unfortunate ending today, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 But Sammy does. Bingo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 @MatthewFairburn Zay Jones was in tears in Bills' locker room. Took blame for final play. What he, Tyrod, others said: http://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2017/09/zay_jones_reduced_to_tears_by_missed_opportunity_in_bills_loss_to_panthers.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 That does not worry me at all. Two very different types of WR's in my mind. Zay's college production is ridiculous, regardless of mediocre competition. I'm a believer over the long haul and with the right cast. Unfortunate ending today, however. Yeah, I don't want to judge him based on two games. I simply was not familiar with him. Although I watch college football, I never saw him play at East Carolina. Now that I've gotten to see him on the field, I've been able to reach initial opinions about him. I'm not sure that I see a guy with the skill set that dominant NFL receivers have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 That's not true. If Peterman was in we would have completed about 20 passes that didn't exist and our offense would have worked in a rhythm and made about 30 first downs in a row even though he never did three in a row in preseason and he would have led us to a 28-9 lead so we never would have needed the last drive. What was I thinking about. Of course that would have happened because he's a fit for the offense against one of the toughest front sevens in the league despite no running game and WRs who couldn't consistently create separation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Yeah, I don't want to judge him based on two games. I simply was not familiar with him. Although I watch college football, I never saw him play at East Carolina. Now that I've gotten to see him on the field, I've been able to reach initial opinions about him. I'm not sure that I see a guy with the skill set that dominant NFL receivers have. He's a very technical route runner with decent speed and very good hands. I'm not saying Jerry Rice, but.... He had a career's worth of production - as a senior. I'll give him more than 2 games with a marginal passer and an OLine that can't pass protect before judging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 (edited) Real time it looked like a bad throw.Not to me. It looked like a ball that hit the receiver in the hands and fell to the ground. After watching the replay way too many times, and seeing what the Bills players/coaches said, it is just more obvious now that Zay had a bad play. I don't know what Bills fans want from Tyrod. If they want him to be Tom Brady, of course that isn't happening. If they want him to be Russell Wilson, I think he could do that. Wilson's offenses don't always score. Especially the past couple seasons they have struggled. But you can trust him to hold down the fort in a game. The Seahawks have had a TON of games like ours today that they end up winning. Their offense does next to nothing for 50 straight minutes, elite defense keeps things close, then they score in the final minute and win something like 10-3. I don't expect our brand new offense to execute that situation as well as the Seahawks do, with a rookie WR as our #2, a WR who has had barely any practice with our offense as our #1, and a new offensive scheme/coach. I watched a lot of football today. In every game you see QBs overthrowing wide open receivers a couple times. I'm not talking about open like Zay was, I mean WIDE open. Passes sailing over the head of certain 1st downs. I wonder how many Bills fans see these things. I watched Matt Ryan today throw a deep incompletion to Taylor Gabriel, and the broadcast replay showed Julio Jones crossing over the middle wide open as the ball is coming out. That single play if it was Tyrod would be a whole thread on this board. I wonder if Bills fans know how common this is? I certainly don't because no one tracks it. But a number of people here talk like they know exactly how many wide open receivers Tyrod is missing, and they know that it's worse than the league average. Then on this play Tyrod does what everyone wants - throws a nice anticipatory throw on a 4th down for the game. The thing about anticipatory throws is they're going to lead to more incompletions. If the receiver has a different read on the coverage it will almost certainly be incomplete, or even a pick. Do people realize this when they ask for Tyrod to do that more? Last week Tyrod tries giving Clay a chance at the ball and Clay fails completely. What should have been an incompletion at worst turns into a red zone pick. But what do people here say, "I don't care if there's more picks as long as Tyrod gives his receivers a chance!" Until that exact scenario happens and suddenly it was a mistake of a throw. So I really don't know what Bills fans want. Well, wins. We all want wins. Edited September 18, 2017 by HappyDays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 He's a very technical route runner with decent speed and very good hands. I'm not saying Jerry Rice, but.... He had a career's worth of production - as a senior. I'll give him more than 2 games with a marginal passer and an OLine that can't pass protect before judging. I understand, and as I've said it's not a judgment based on two games. I just wonder if he is best suited as a slot reciever rather than an outside reciever. The knock on him coming out of college was his inability to get separation from good DB's, lack of big play ability, and being more of number two WR than a number one. I worry that McD wants him to be something that he isn't. I could see him lighting it up as a slot receiver for a good team. I'm not certain that throwing him on the outside as a rookie with his skill set is the best thing for his young career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Even with that, it's a ball he should catch. True. It's disturbing that the guy known for having great hands in college has dropped 3 passes in the first 2 games. Maybe my expectations were too high. He is a rookie after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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