Tipster19 Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 I'm doing this off an IPhone so bear with me. The other day Beane was being interviewed by Mike Florio and made a quick remark about making another trade, or that it is a possibility. My point is, especially after Sammy was traded, is that if the Bills really are not trying to tank it then they need to at least try and replace Sammy with a big, strong, fast WR that can play on the outside. We have ammunition to get this done with some decent players who may not be a good fit under this new regime and a plethora of draft picks. Enter Kevin White. He would be a good fit on this team and could possibly be had. I'm not a GM so I don't know what would be fair compensation but I would imagine that someone like Ragland and/or draft pick(s) would be the nucleus of such a trade. They play a 3/4 defense and while Danny Trevathan is a quality ILB I'm not so sure of his counterpart Jerrell Freeman. One other thing, after tonight's game a concern of mine going into the Philly game appears to be more of an issue than what I first feared and that is the LT position. This looks like it could be a big problem for us if Cordy can't get healthy quickly. Someone mentioned in the game thread about Brandon Albert. That might not be too shabby of an idea if that OL can't get their **** together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 Why this is not a playoff team. Why ise assets this year to get to 7 wins. Just bottom out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 We need Cordy Glenn. Also, we all saw that without a doubt, John Miller should be our starting RG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 Having Glenn makes such a difference in this OL it is not even funny I commend McD for drafting a OT high.....but Dawkins isnt ready yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 They should trade those two #1s in '18 for Watkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 Dont spend assets on a WR until you have your thrower. Have we not learned from the Watkins Trade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 After league cuts a new WR and OT should fall to us that are upgrades. Hopefully. .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 The problem that we have seen so far hasn't been because they don't have Watkins anymore, I doubt the results of these games would have changed with him in their. The QB and the OLine play was bad tonight. Penalties killed alot of the plays tonight too. It almost seemed like the Refs were practicing themselves calling certain plays, like the said before the game we have to practice calling 'holding', or 'block in the back' so if they see something somewhat kinda close to it, call it so we can practice throwing the flag and calling it to the crowd. Penalties are also always bad in the preseason because you get alot of fringe players trying to do what they can to look better and make a team so they do things that they hope they can get away with to gain an advantage, or are trying desperately to stop someone or do something but get beat. The hope is, which didn't happen tonight, that the majority of the calls are on the fronge guys and not the established starters who should know better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 Even when we had Watkins healthy, he was criminally underused. With Taylor, the other team isn't game planning for an aerial attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 After league cuts a new WR and OT should fall to us that are upgrades. Hopefully. .. With Matthews coming back, I don't think WR would be something that needs a huge upgrade, not compared to the oline. You don't need elite WRs to win, Sammy did nothing in his years here to make this team any better in the standings. With the guys they have, they just need to make catches/plays to get defences have to pay attention. If the WRs can't get open, the Qb can't make the throws when they are open, or they drop the ball defences can stack up and force them to have to throw. This is what happens with NE, Brady makes the throws and the WRs catch the ball and move the chains, they don't just air it out. They will beat you by hitting short and intermediate passes that move the ball forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 With Matthews coming back, I don't think WR would be something that needs a huge upgrade, not compared to the oline. You don't need elite WRs to win, Sammy did nothing in his years here to make this team any better in the standings. With the guys they have, they just need to make catches/plays to get defences have to pay attention. If the WRs can't get open, the Qb can't make the throws when they are open, or they drop the ball defences can stack up and force them to have to throw. This is what happens with NE, Brady makes the throws and the WRs catch the ball and move the chains, they don't just air it out. They will beat you by hitting short and intermediate passes that move the ball forward. Your right The OL is a mess rite now. In theory thats how the WCO works but its still good to have a burner to make teams pay 4 it when they put too many in the box. If we go into the season with wat we have at WR now, were gonna have a lot of safetys creeping up to play the run and short pass game this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 Dont spend assets on a WR until you have your thrower. Have we not learned from the Watkins Trade Yes. We learned it was stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 I actually wouldn't hate a flyer on a guy we just faced, Eagles WR Shelton Gibson. Probably not going to make their 53 this year but he's a burner. It's a proper bargain bin move but it might make some sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 Your right The OL is a mess rite now. In theory thats how the WCO works but its still good to have a burner to make teams pay 4 it when they put too many in the box. If we go into the season with wat we have at WR now, were gonna have a lot of safetys creeping up to play the run and short pass game this season But don't they have a few guys with speed right now (aren't Holmes and Streeter supposed to be quick?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 I'm doing this off an IPhone so bear with me. The other day Beane was being interviewed by Mike Florio and made a quick remark about making another trade, or that it is a possibility. My point is, especially after Sammy was traded, is that if the Bills really are not trying to tank it then they need to at least try and replace Sammy with a big, strong, fast WR that can play on the outside. We have ammunition to get this done with some decent players who may not be a good fit under this new regime and a plethora of draft picks. Enter Kevin White. He would be a good fit on this team and could possibly be had. I'm not a GM so I don't know what would be fair compensation but I would imagine that someone like Ragland and/or draft pick(s) would be the nucleus of such a trade. They play a 3/4 defense and while Danny Trevathan is a quality ILB I'm not so sure of his counterpart Jerrell Freeman. One other thing, after tonight's game a concern of mine going into the Philly game appears to be more of an issue than what I first feared and that is the LT position. This looks like it could be a big problem for us if Cordy can't get healthy quickly. Someone mentioned in the game thread about Brandon Albert. That might not be too shabby of an idea if that OL can't get their **** together. Good thoughts. Watching Tyrod last year with the bums they had at WR was at times excruciating.........and the burden was released late in the season and we got a reminder of what Tyrod is capable of if given that great deep playmaker. We got a tiny glimpse of this problem when Tyrod scrambled right tonight and threw up a 50/50 ball to Anquan Boldin..........it's the kind of play that Sammy and Tyrod turned into big gains/TD's and in the process de-starched opposing pass rushes/rush defenses. And of course Boldin had no chance whatsoever of making that play and Darby picked it off. Let's be honest here........Tyrod is NOT EVER going to be Tom Brady or even Philip Rivers......probably not Russ Wilson either........but he could however be Randall Cunningham and Daunte Culpepper in Minnesota.......guys that aren't franchise, pick-you-apart passers but that can nearly maximize big time talent in the receiving corps. But McDermott and Beane appear to be going the WRONG WAY if they intend to win this year with Taylor.......he needs big play WR's. I'd love for them to take a shot on a guy like White or even Gordon if he gets re-instated........won't nearly make up for this Sammy fiasco but it's clearly going to be hard to watch them try to make Tyrod play 3 step drop QB all year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipster19 Posted August 18, 2017 Author Share Posted August 18, 2017 But don't they have a few guys with speed right now (aren't Holmes and Streeter supposed to be quick?) I haven't heard much if any on Holmes and Streeter is brittle, he even got banged a bit in tonight's game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 Good thoughts. Watching Tyrod last year with the bums they had at WR was at times excruciating.........and the burden was released late in the season and we got a reminder of what Tyrod is capable of if given that great deep playmaker. We got a tiny glimpse of this problem when Tyrod scrambled right tonight and threw up a 50/50 ball to Anquan Boldin..........it's the kind of play that Sammy and Tyrod turned into big gains/TD's and in the process de-starched opposing pass rushes/rush defenses. And of course Boldin had no chance whatsoever of making that play and Darby picked it off. Let's be honest here........Tyrod is NOT EVER going to be Tom Brady or even Philip Rivers......probably not Russ Wilson either........but he could however be Randall Cunningham and Daunte Culpepper in Minnesota.......guys that aren't franchise, pick-you-apart passers but that can nearly maximize big time talent in the receiving corps. But McDermott and Beane appear to be going the WRONG WAY if they intend to win this year with Taylor.......he needs big play WR's. I'd love for them to take a shot on a guy like White or even Gordon if he gets re-instated........won't nearly make up for this Sammy fiasco but it's clearly going to be hard to watch them try to make Tyrod play 3 step drop QB all year. Yeah it is painful to watch a QB actually have to do basic QBing things when he struggles at them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 Dont spend assets on a WR until you have your thrower. Have we not learned from the Watkins Trade Exactly! Get your franchise QB first then get him toys.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 Tyrod will take the top off by throwing long, random passes. DBs love ints and they will give a lot of cushion just for the chance that he throws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 Yeah it is painful to watch a QB actually have to do basic QBing things when he struggles at them It's painful watching LeSean McCoy in short yardage..........but his severe limitations there do not make him worthless. Tyrod can put points on the board........he can intensify a running game in ways that an Aaron Rodgers cannot........and subsequently he can lead a very high scoring offense........which is the majority of the point of offense. But don't act like none of us wants a Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers.........and don't be so ignorant to think that Tyrod is preventing them from finding one in the meantime. You want the top pick in the draft.......we get it........but the only top picks in the draft to win SB's since the drought are named Manning.......and Eli is no surgeon and the second Peyton title was won IN SPITE of him. So you DON"T need to tank to get a top QB.......play to win and build a solid roster and add the QB to it........like NE did. Or Seattle did. Or GB did. Or Pittsburgh did. Or Baltimore did. You know......ALL the top organizations in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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