row_33 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 Ready to get out of the fetal position and face the new season and regime? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusher Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 Ready to get out of the fetal position and face the new season and regime? Sure...if not only to go right back into that position by November. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 I can't stop thinking about this in regards to the trade: https://youtu.be/la2BVTLFQ94 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 Boldin is ancient, and Matthews is nothing more than a not so sure handed slot receiver. I'm fine if they wanna get worse in order to build through the draft next season, but that could've been accomplished without the best building block we had. Dump TT, trade Shady...those moves make more sense. What you did with Sammy was get the worst possible return for a top WR entering his prime and finally completely healed from the foot injury. This team is most certainly worse this season now. Nobody will respect the WR's beating them downfield, and nobody will be drawing safeties and coverage their way. I predict the pass and run game are both worse this season. Watkins will be missed within this offense...we already saw that with Taylor looking competent with him in the lineup and not so much without him. The Darby trade was fine because he is just another guy like the DB they replaced him with...no gripes with that, and no gripes with getting more draft picks. This be competitive crap this season is dumb and counter productive to us accumulating draft picks and looking to draft a franchise QB. Should've kept the building block. Maybe they think tanking is a terrible way to build a new culture, get player buy in and develop their rookies, and keeping TT and Shady is a better way to get the respect of their new players and develop their new cuture. Maybe they think Tyrod deserves a shot to prove himself after playing pretty well in his first 2 seasons starting. Maybe they felt they don't need a top 3 pick to get their QB. Many teams have gotten their QB without a top 3 pick. The run game did alright last season without Sammy on the field. Having TT is going to help th run game as it did the last 2 seasons. Plus we have a very good run blocking O line. One of the best in the NFL. The run game should be fine. The pass game we will have to wait and see. I don't think this offense is predicated on a deep threat like Roman's was. I think It's more of a horizontal passing offense, not a vertical one. It's predicated on short passes and YAC. They want to possess the ball and run the clock. The worst possible return for Sammy? A 2nd and likely starting CB is definitely not the worst possible return, especially by NFL standards (especially considering they got a starting WR back in a separate but connected trade). The worst possible return would have been a comp 3rd round pick in 2019 IMO, after Sammy signs somewhere else in FA. Or worse yet no comp pick at all because the Bills can't afford not to sign free agents to help round out their roster. Look at what other good players have been traded for. A 2nd and a decent CB for an often injured WR is actually a pretty decent return. Now if Sammy didn't have the injury history he does, and had actually produced and out up numbers on the field, his value would have been higher. Now I'm not going to say that it doesn't hurt losing Sammy for a 2nd and a CB. It does. But worst possible return is a major over exaggeration. And his foot injury might be completely healed. But he's injured like 6 different body parts in his 3 years here. Let's just wait and see if he's able to stay healthy for a whole season, and even if he is able to stay healthy for 1 season out of 4, let's see how the next few years go. I know you've already decided this trade is terrible. But that's TBD yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 From Peter King's MMQB article: The Watkins deal could hurt in the long run, for two reasons. He’s healthy this year after being plagued by a nagging foot injury. And the veterans on the Bills loved him, and won’t be happy with this deal. I can’t imagine LeSean McCoy singing kumbaya over this trade for the future. He wants to win now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 (edited) Yep. OBD has most fans by the balls. Pathetic. How is trading a 24 YO potential stud receiver a move for the future? They'll use that 2nd round pick they got for Sammy on a WR. 😂😂 Because they are going to use the picks to try and get a QB, which in the long run is far more valuable than any WR Edited August 14, 2017 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 Because they are going to use the picks to try and get a QB, which in the long run is far more valuable than any WR We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 Just for perspective I recall the Pats got Randy Moss for a fourth round pick. I don't like the Sammy trade primarily because I felt Dennison would use him in the correct manner (slants, bubble screens, etc.), get the ball in his hands a lot, and we'd see him dominate. No one in their right mind can say that Sammy, when healthy, is not a better WR than Matthews. But there's the rub. Is he truly healthy? I think so, but maybe there's more going on than we know, injury wise or something else. I don't think guys like Beane and McD make decisions based on ego or without putting a lot of thought into things. In the end there must be something that caused them to think that getting a second rounder and a potential starting CB was worth the move. And a big part of that to me seems that they did the other deal with the Eagles. If they wound up not getting another starting WR in this move I doubt they make it. , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 Because they are going to use the picks to try and get a QB, which in the long run is far more valuable than any WR Why not have both? They have 2 No.1s next draft....should be able to get a QB with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 Yea. It's just more excuse making. What did the Rams give up to get Goff? More than two #1's as I recall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 Why not have both? They have 2 No.1s next draft....should be able to get a QB with that Not at all. Look at the RGIII, Goff, and Wentz trades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 In fact the Rams gave up two firsts, two seconds and two thirds plus a lower round pick or two for Geoff. But two firsts should be more than enough ammunition for the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 In fact the Rams gave up two firsts, two seconds and two thirds plus a lower round pick or two for Geoff. But two firsts should be more than enough ammunition for the Bills. Bills have the best QB situation they've had in a long long time. They have an established starter who has a year to prove he can run a modern NFL offense, they have a rookie who has shown progress every week, and they're positioned to sell the farm for their top prospect next year. But coffee's for closers so let's see where this goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 TT either proves it or doesn't this year. And we'll see how Peterman progresses. Best thing for the team would be for one of them to take the horns and get 6 starters in next year's draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 (edited) In fact the Rams gave up two firsts, two seconds and two thirds plus a lower round pick or two for Geoff. But two firsts should be more than enough ammunition for the Bills. Just because the Rams gave up so much for Goff doesn't mean that's the market for trading up. Every situation is different. Plus we have no idea where those 1st rounders will be slotted Edited August 14, 2017 by nucci Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 Just because the Rams gave up so much for Goff doesn't mean that's the market for trading up. Every situation is different. Plus we have no idea where those 1st rounders will be slotted So rather than look at precedent for a trade like that, you're just pulling this out of your behind. I understand now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 TT either proves it or doesn't this year. And we'll see how Peterman progresses. Best thing for the team would be for one of them to take the horns and get 6 starters in next year's draft. To get where? Truth is you have no idea what the order of the draft is going to be or which teams are going to need what. If the Jets, 49ers and Browns are sitting 1,2, 3 do you think there is any chance they trade with the Bills? What about if the Jags decide to move on from Bortles? The Bills may have the "ammunition" but they also need a trade partner. The only way to assure that they can choose whatever QB they want, is to go full tank. Which they haven't decided to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 I don't buy that veterans loved him. Maybe some did. But I don't buy it. He isn't a likeable guy by his demeanor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 To get where? Truth is you have no idea what the order of the draft is going to be or which teams are going to need what. If the Jets, 49ers and Browns are sitting 1,2, 3 do you think there is any chance they trade with the Bills? What about if the Jags decide to move on from Bortles? The Bills may have the "ammunition" but they also need a trade partner. The only way to assure that they can choose whatever QB they want, is to go full tank. Which they haven't decided to do. You're right. I am not Nostradamus. Neither are you. We will see how it plays out. But it just so happens that the picks they have from rounds 1-3 right now are a big part of what the Rams traded to the Titans to move up for Goff. If TT or Peterson pans out then you have 6 high round picks to use on more players. If not then you can either go FA route and make a big run at say Garropolo or use the picks to move up. Or not. a lot will depend on how these supposed can't miss prospects play this college season, and almost assuredly some of them will fall off some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 So rather than look at precedent for a trade like that, you're just pulling this out of your behind. I understand now. So you can't have a back and forth discussion on something we disagree on...you just act like a dick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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