GoBills808 Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 In many ways Pro athletes are puplic servants in my humble opinion. Ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 When he's healthy he's elite. How about letting him play a few game this year before we cut him? I bet if you were the Falcons GM you would have sent Julio Jones packing. Him not being healthy is kinda the point I think. Even though he's played in games, he seems to be bothered by injuries frequently. He needs to prove he can be dependable in not only his availability but his production on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 Playing in the NFL is much more dangerous then people realize IMO. Clearly more dangerous then basketball. We are just now learning how much brain damage is occurring from players running full speed like guided missiles into each other and clashing helmets/ heads. The broken bones, knee injuries, neck and spinal injuries, I could go on and on. I also think much of the charity work by proffessional athletes gets overlooked, Many of the NFL's higher paid superstars along with their teamates give back to the communities in many ways. Visiting children in hospitals, coaching and working with kids in their spare time, inspiring kids to stay in school, get an education. In many ways Pro athletes are puplic servants in my humble opinion. How do they serve the general public? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 LOL if they are public servants, let's pay them like public servants! ...maybe we are UNDERPAYING our actual public servants then (BIG cough)...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 (edited) If I was a young athlete with lots of potential I'd certainly choose the NBA first. Better pay and less violent. Plus easy access as a kid? Only downside is so many fewer roster spots so it's kind of all or none. That decisions easy for a 6'5 kid today. TE or PF? Always going to the court to practice. I get what you are saying and many will choose basketball even if it means they are ignoring their best chance to make a living in pro leagues. A lot of people think it is so easy and just a matter of choice as to what pro league an athletic can choose. Major fallacy to think a current NBA or NFL player could have just chosen at a younger age to change their pro sport destination. These guys have specific skills that increased their very very minute small chances of making a living in the top pro sports league. If they do not target and hone the very best skills they have and instead try to hone their secondary skills, their already near zero chance of making it go down to the point of nearly real zero. http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/09/what-are-the-odds-of-making-it-to-the-nfl EX: Charley Ward was best college football player his senior year and opted for NBA. Only making it on name only as he was a bottom to slightly below mid level player. Tim Tebow is now failing at baseball. I know these are after the fact as they choose football first. Edited July 4, 2017 by cba fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 Him not being healthy is kinda the point I think. Even though he's played in games, he seems to be bothered by injuries frequently. He needs to prove he can be dependable in not only his availability but his production on the field. He hasn't been healthy since Shazier knocked out of a preseason game in his rookie season. He doesn't show the same explosiveness that he demonstrated at Clemson. Sammy has still put up some really good numbers in the pros, but something has always seemed slightly off. Sammy was a total beast in college who frequently won battles for 50/50 balls. I have yet to see him make those type of plays here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 He has played in 77% of the games the Bills have played since he joined the team. Yea, that is not that good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 He hasn't been healthy since Shazier knocked out of a preseason game in his rookie season. He doesn't show the same explosiveness that he demonstrated at Clemson. Sammy has still put up some really good numbers in the pros, but something has always seemed slightly off. Sammy was a total beast in college who frequently won battles for 50/50 balls. I have yet to see him make those type of plays here. We haven't exactly treated him like a great #1 WR either. He'll go long stretches where the ball isn't thrown his way. Part of that could be his injuries. Another part could be scheme or the QB (*gasp* that could trigger people). If we get more of the same for a new coaching staff and scheme then that would be severely disappointing. This guy needs to stay healthy and heavily involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 Ridiculous. I stand corrected, of service to the community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreddieJizzle22 Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 (edited) Man, after reading this thread, really disappointing to see how truly ****ty some Bills fans are. Edited July 4, 2017 by FreddieJizzle22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 We haven't exactly treated him like a great #1 WR either. He'll go long stretches where the ball isn't thrown his way. Part of that could be his injuries. Another part could be scheme or the QB (*gasp* that could trigger people). If we get more of the same for a new coaching staff and scheme then that would be severely disappointing. This guy needs to stay healthy and heavily involved. Gotta keep him healthy and involved is right: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WatkSa00/gamelog/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 We haven't exactly treated him like a great #1 WR either. He'll go long stretches where the ball isn't thrown his way. Part of that could be his injuries. Another part could be scheme or the QB (*gasp* that could trigger people). If we get more of the same for a new coaching staff and scheme then that would be severely disappointing. This guy needs to stay healthy and heavily involved. I absolutely agree with your statement about us not treating him like a number one. There is no question that he should be a bigger part of the game plan. I still won't take back the fact that he doesn't show the same explosiveness that he had in college. He doesn't show the same strength either. Sammy has been particularly weak fighting for contested balls. It seems as if he hasn't won any of those battles in the pros. During his time at Clemson he would come down with the majority of contested balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 I agree. There's only so much that can be said on NFL players' intelligence. I do adore this thread. keen wit and some perspective from different folks makes for good reading. Thanks folks ! I am a huge Sammy fan.........beyond the obvious of 4x as many mouths to feed in the NFL.......NBA players are the greatest athletes on the planet.......there are likely MANY of them who could be superstars in the NFL..........meanwhile, you can count the number of NFL players who could fill the last spot on the bench of a turkish pro basketball league team on one hand and still have enough fingers to bowl. Love the NFL.......but Sammy bitchin' bout NFL contracts is like a porn star bitchin' cuz they ain't getting paid like a super model. NFL is a dirty little job by comparison. This one should be framed Some of your finest work porn stars and Little jobs integrated fluidly and with a sense of reasonability. Sammy speaks for the trees. Being one of them. I have decided i also would like more money and will begin tweeting about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianFan Posted July 4, 2017 Author Share Posted July 4, 2017 I won't turn this to PPP, but would encourage you to look into anerican income tax payments on your own. Many many many pay essentially nothing and the rich, naturally, pay a very large portion. His stat was close enough for bar room discussion of the topic. I have not only looked at "income tax" but at broader taxation. Income tax is just one part of total tax burden. Burdens of the state are increasingly being shifted to the middle class and the poor. The tax on consumption for instance - the sales taxes have only been going one way in the last 40-50 years, and that's up, along with "user fees". The vast majority of us have to consume our earnings. And when we consume, we pay tax, AGAIN. While the wealthy, consumption is but a tiny fraction of their earnings. Most of their earnings go into investments, which are not taxed until they "cash out" the earnings. Those are the shifting of burdens of the state from the rich to the poor. If you don't get that many are being screwed for the sake of a few, then this morass you and I live in (yes, what happens in US impacts Canada because we have to "follow" your policies so that we don't lose rich in our country to yours which you apparently accept with ease!) will continue to get worse. The worst economic crises in the world in the past century was brought about by the "excesses" of the rich living at the expense of the vast majority. You remember the "roaring twenties"? And everything was great and grand then right? Guess what followed that. Yes, the great depression, and WW2. We were at the cusp of a major global economic collapse in 2008. It took unimagined action by governments around the world to save the world economy. But the saving didn't fix the issues underlying it. The root of which lay in loose regulations and structural economic imbalances. The more wealth is concentrated, the less productive the economy becomes, which forces the Fed and central banks to keep interest rates uber low, the greater the risks super wealthy are allowed to take with the greater wealth they have. Which leads to one too many excesses in one aspect of the economy (housing was the last time) that led to its inevitable collapse. And the cycle repeats. While the wealthy will lose some of their wealth in those crashes along with bruising of their ego, they never lose their shirt. But the minions like you and me (if you are one), lose not just shirts but homes and our very way of life. It's inherently unfair and in a democracy, not a monarchy, why is this kind of "rigged system" tolerated? 2016 was a threshold year. Trump rode that resentment (very ironic, because he benefits from the root cause) in the US. Trudeau in Canada rode that resentment to a surprise win. But change has been slow in Canada. I do not see changes at all in the US. IF things don't change, change will come like breaking of a Dam. And we'll all be damned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 Wrestlers are "farm strong". I think you gathered his self indulgent point concisely I absolutely agree with your statement about us not treating him like a number one. There is no question that he should be a bigger part of the game plan. I still won't take back the fact that he doesn't show the same explosiveness that he had in college. He doesn't show the same strength either. Sammy has been particularly weak fighting for contested balls. It seems as if he hasn't won any of those battles in the pros. During his time at Clemson he would come down with the majority of contested balls. Have along time Bills fan Buddy at work that mentioned his footwork, and inferred he is talking about Sammy's ability to cut and burst. The kid has not been right. But that is not to discount the way he has been used. If I were to guess, his plays as a decoy have been based on his injury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 I get what you are saying and many will choose basketball even if it means they are ignoring their best chance to make a living in pro leagues. A lot of people think it is so easy and just a matter of choice as to what pro league an athletic can choose. Major fallacy to think a current NBA or NFL player could have just chosen at a younger age to change their pro sport destination. These guys have specific skills that increased their very very minute small chances of making a living in the top pro sports league. If they do not target and hone the very best skills they have and instead try to hone their secondary skills, their already near zero chance of making it go down to the point of nearly real zero. http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/09/what-are-the-odds-of-making-it-to-the-nfl EX: Charley Ward was best college football player his senior year and opted for NBA. Only making it on name only as he was a bottom to slightly below mid level player. Tim Tebow is now failing at baseball. I know these are after the fact as they choose football first. I'm talking the 12 year old that you can tell is a special athlete and has a decade to learn the intricacies and instinct of the sport he chooses to focus on. I'm also not saying it will be a seismic shift but the direction our young athletes go is certainly effected by the trends in sports while they come of age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 I have not only looked at "income tax" but at broader taxation. Income tax is just one part of total tax burden. Burdens of the state are increasingly being shifted to the middle class and the poor. The tax on consumption for instance - the sales taxes have only been going one way in the last 40-50 years, and that's up, along with "user fees". The vast majority of us have to consume our earnings. And when we consume, we pay tax, AGAIN. While the wealthy, consumption is but a tiny fraction of their earnings. Most of their earnings go into investments, which are not taxed until they "cash out" the earnings. Exactly why the whole 'they pay more taxes' argument fails on several different levels. Of COURSE the top earners pay more; as of 2013 the average American worker had to put in an entire month to earn what an average CEO earns in one hour. The bottom 40% of earners (that's 40% of the entire country, 137 million US citizens) own less than 1% of the nation's overall wealth. The discrepancy in distribution is itself enough to justify a progressive tax on top earners, and that's without taking into account the simple fact that when you adjust for cost of living, a 20% tax on an income of $25,000 is far more restrictive than, say, a 45% tax on incomes exceeding $500,000. People have a way of looking at taxation in very broad terms. I think, much like physics, you need different methods for looking at the very small end of the scale (like quantum mechanics) of earners and the very large (where classical physics would suffice). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 Exactly why the whole 'they pay more taxes' argument fails on several different levels. Of COURSE the top earners pay more; as of 2013 the average American worker had to put in an entire month to earn what an average CEO earns in one hour. The bottom 40% of earners (that's 40% of the entire country, 137 million US citizens) own less than 1% of the nation's overall wealth. The discrepancy in distribution is itself enough to justify a progressive tax on top earners, and that's without taking into account the simple fact that when you adjust for cost of living, a 20% tax on an income of $25,000 is far more restrictive than, say, a 45% tax on incomes exceeding $500,000. People have a way of looking at taxation in very broad terms. I think, much like physics, you need different methods for looking at the very small end of the scale (like quantum mechanics) of earners and the very large (where classical physics would suffice). a complicated matter for sure, and not a good subject to make assumptions upon. Details. I appreciate CBF perspective and knowledgable opinions. I have a a similar perspective. But Sammy just tweeted. and tweeting is often akin to speaking out without an investment of forethought. His history says he should consider other pastimes imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 I think you gathered his self indulgent point concisely Have along time Bills fan Buddy at work that mentioned his footwork, and inferred he is talking about Sammy's ability to cut and burst. The kid has not been right. But that is not to discount the way he has been used. If I were to guess, his plays as a decoy have been based on his injury Its not natural to do some of the things Sammy does, stopping on a dime,reversing directions, and his body/ feet pay the price IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 Its not natural to do some of the things Sammy does, stopping on a dime,reversing directions, and his body/ feet pay the price IMO. He would be an amazing player, if he could regain his health. He has an uncanny ability to locate the ball and bring it in as well. I hope Bills see quantifiable reason to pay the Kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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