DOJ Appoints Robert Mueller as Special Counsel - Jerome Corsi Rejects Plea Deal

[DC Tom]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Yes.

How much are former first presidents (so former first ladies as a degree of separation) given access to? And, how long is that relevant?

(For instance, I think Obama would have more access than Carter, but what do I know?)

 

As far as I know, everything, forever.  I don't know that anyone's ever bothered thinking of limiting it.

34 minutes ago, /dev/null said:

 

I can understand a former Secretary of State being given access to classified information.

 

But why exactly does the First Lady has a Security Clearance?  And why do former FLOTUS need access to classified info? 

 

First Ladies are given the same access on the basis that you can't reasonably expect the President to keep all classified info away from his spouse.

 

Basically, the President spends his life in a great big virtual SCIF, so the First Lady gets granted a clearance to reside there with him.

[Buffalo_Gal]

Reading this, she "requested" her security clearance be removed (and it happened in August). 

Possibly for testifying purposes? Something to do with the Judicial Watch/Benghazi suit? 
To avoid the "removed for corruption" headline (asked for it to be removed when she told it was going to be removed)?
If she "requested" her security clearance be removed, does that mean she still has some sort of clearance as a former first lady (this has to be the first time a former first lady "requested" her clearance be removed)?  Is it a different clearance than the what she had as SOS?

[/dev/null]

49 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

First Ladies are given the same access on the basis that you can't reasonably expect the President to keep all classified info away from his spouse.

 

Basically, the President spends his life in a great big virtual SCIF, so the First Lady gets granted a clearance to reside there with him.

Fair enough

 

But why does a former first lady need an active clearance?

[DC Tom]

15 minutes ago, /dev/null said:

Fair enough

 

But why does a former first lady need an active clearance?

 

How does what I wrote not cover former First Ladies as well?

 

Really, your time would be better spent questioning Chelsea's access to classified information via the Clinton Foundation.

[3rdnlng]

6 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

How does what I wrote not cover former First Ladies as well?

 

Really, your time would be better spent questioning Chelsea's access to classified information via the Clinton Foundation.

She's a Rear Admiral, why wouldn't she?

[Buffalo_Gal]

Here is Grassley's letter about her clearance

Hillary Clinton's security clearance administratively withdrawn

[/dev/null]

2 hours ago, DC Tom said:

 

How does what I wrote not cover former First Ladies as well?

I'm not saying it doesn't cover them.  I'm asking what reason do Rosalyn Carter, Laura Bush, or Michelle Obama need to have access to currently classified information?

 

I guess my question boils down to having clearance vice a need to know

2 hours ago, DC Tom said:

Really, your time would be better spent questioning Chelsea's access to classified information via the Clinton Foundation.

Because it's her birthright?

[Deranged Rhino]

On 10/12/2018 at 3:38 PM, Buffalo_Gal said:

This is well worth the read. It really ties all the players and timelines together:

Spygate: The True Story of Collusion
How America’s most powerful agencies were weaponized against President Donald Trump

 

This is really worth the read. Jeff NAILS it. He's one of the best writers out there on this vast, and complicated subject. His research and data are top notch.  

 

@PromoTheRobot this write up has a lot of information, along with the other write up I linked you to a few weeks ago now, are worth checking out. Sorry for the delay! 

Edited October 14, 2018 by Deranged Rhino

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[B-Man]

The only question that I have left is........................

 

 

Will Mueller release something to influence the 2018 election .........in November..........or in late October ?

 

 

 

 

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[Deranged Rhino]

 

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[Deranged Rhino]

 

[snafu]

3 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

Rhetorical question of the day:  If that's true then who outside the FBI knew this, and for how long, and why did anyone let this charade go on for more than one day longer than it could have?

 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

What this dance tells me about where the plan stands today:

 

We're 22 days out from the midterms, meaning we're now too close to the election for any sort of major shake up. This was my fear when it became apparent the roll out was being timed to the political optics of the midterm (two hurricanes and Kavanaugh's confirmation fight closed the only windows they had to roll it out in time). Had the Kavanaugh hearing not galvanized the never Trumpers, the base, and the independents as much as it has - or as much as the GOP pollsters believe - I think there might still be a chance we get some major shakeups before November 6th, but not now. With the momentum behind the GOP post Kavanaugh, I think some new calculus is being done as to how best to handle the next steps in the roll out process without rocking the electoral boat.

 

* Indictments would rock the boat, and allow the Dems to claim political persecution right before the midterms - that will be avoided.

* Firing Mueller or RR would accomplish the same feat for the left, thus likely cannot be done until after November 6th.

* The OIG report will be held until after the election per DOJ policy, despite the report being in the final phases of review. 

 

That just leaves the declass as the only remaining (Russia related) bombshell to come before November 6th - and I'm 60/40 on whether they'll drop it before the election. If they do, it'll be timed to be as damaging as possible to the left's prospects at the ballot box, which means it'll be strategically deployed - or delayed - until the last minute to help mitigate any deflections the dems try. 

 

The goal of the slow roll out of evidence we've seen has always been to try to expose the truth to the masses without triggering a shooting civil war. It sure does seem like Trump and company are VERY confident at the moment in keeping the House and gaining in the Senate. Holding this reveal back until after a major GOP upset at the polls (giving them a national mandate they could use as a shield in the months to come) would make the revelations all the more damning and lessen the likelihood of massive unrest (but won't eliminate it entirely). 

 

... But now they're putting a lot of chips on November 6th. They better not drop the ball.

 

It's on the people to help them out. VOTE. VOTE. VOTE. 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

FBI just dropped over 180 additional pages on McCabe and Comey:

https://vault.fbi.gov/deputy-director-mccabe-office-of-professional-responsibility-investigation/deputy-director-mccabe-office-of-professional-responsibility-investigation-part-01-of-01/view

[keepthefaith]

4 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

What this dance tells me about where the plan stands today:

 

We're 22 days out from the midterms, meaning we're now too close to the election for any sort of major shake up. This was my fear when it became apparent the roll out was being timed to the political optics of the midterm (two hurricanes and Kavanaugh's confirmation fight closed the only windows they had to roll it out in time). Had the Kavanaugh hearing not galvanized the never Trumpers, the base, and the independents as much as it has - or as much as the GOP pollsters believe - I think there might still be a chance we get some major shakeups before November 6th, but not now. With the momentum behind the GOP post Kavanaugh, I think some new calculus is being done as to how best to handle the next steps in the roll out process without rocking the electoral boat.

 

* Indictments would rock the boat, and allow the Dems to claim political persecution right before the midterms - that will be avoided.

* Firing Mueller or RR would accomplish the same feat for the left, thus likely cannot be done until after November 6th.

* The OIG report will be held until after the election per DOJ policy, despite the report being in the final phases of review. 

 

That just leaves the declass as the only remaining (Russia related) bombshell to come before November 6th - and I'm 60/40 on whether they'll drop it before the election. If they do, it'll be timed to be as damaging as possible to the left's prospects at the ballot box, which means it'll be strategically deployed - or delayed - until the last minute to help mitigate any deflections the dems try. 

 

The goal of the slow roll out of evidence we've seen has always been to try to expose the truth to the masses without triggering a shooting civil war. It sure does seem like Trump and company are VERY confident at the moment in keeping the House and gaining in the Senate. Holding this reveal back until after a major GOP upset at the polls (giving them a national mandate they could use as a shield in the months to come) would make the revelations all the more damning and lessen the likelihood of massive unrest (but won't eliminate it entirely). 

 

... But now they're putting a lot of chips on November 6th. They better not drop the ball.

 

It's on the people to help them out. VOTE. VOTE. VOTE. 

 

 

Can't agree that we're too close to the election.  People are so short sighted these days the BK SC thing has probably lost some of its' luster already.  Exposing more of the truth about the 2016/2017 FBI abuse would best be done in a week or two.  Personally I think the Muller probe is holding all this up with Mueller and his team determined to drag out their work as long as possible simply to protect their comrades and friends.  Not to mention extend their paychecks.  That has to end first before Trump's DOJ will lower the boom. 

 

What we're also learning from all this is that the layers of protection among Washington bureaucrats and media are even thicker than we thought.  It's proving very difficult to fully expose these people as the protection apparatus runs very deep. 

[Deranged Rhino]

More on the newest McCabe drop - which seems to show he was behind leaking the Flynn call to the Post. 

 

Which... if true... means McCabe is going away for a long time.

 

 

20 minutes ago, keepthefaith said:

 

Can't agree that we're too close to the election.  People are so short sighted these days the BK SC thing has probably lost some of its' luster already.  Exposing more of the truth about the 2016/2017 FBI abuse would best be done in a week or two.  Personally I think the Muller probe is holding all this up with Mueller and his team determined to drag out their work as long as possible simply to protect their comrades and friends.  Not to mention extend their paychecks.  That has to end first before Trump's DOJ will lower the boom. 

 

What we're also learning from all this is that the layers of protection among Washington bureaucrats and media are even thicker than we thought.  It's proving very difficult to fully expose these people as the protection apparatus runs very deep. 

 

Fair and reasoned analysis

 

The reason why the election will cause a delay, in my view, is not because people's attention spans are long but because they don't want to give the guilty parties a chance to claim it's political retribution and energize civil unrest. Don't get me wrong, they'll make that claim regardless of when the charges are brought - but it has much less of an impact if that happens in an off election cycle than two weeks before arguably the most hyped midterm election of our lifetime. 

 

I'm operating under the premise that the election, while important for a lot of other reasons, is not important to the investigation into the FISA abuse and the coup attempt itself as all of that work is being done by the DOJ/Huber/Sessions not Congress or its committees. With or without a majority in the House, the cases have already been made and GJs empaneled (and delivered many sealed indictments). A blue wave can't stop that work, or alter its outcome... but it can increase the odds of civil unrest tenfold imo. 

 

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More news coming out, Wolfe's plea was released: 

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5002613-James-Wolfe-Plea-Agreement.html

 

This is big. He plead down from three felonies to one... so he gave something to Sessions' leak hunter unit.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

 

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He absolutely leaked the unredacted FISA to the NYTs, all 83 pages of it (to Ali Watkins whom he was sleeping with). There's more than enough evidence to prove this happened, and when it happened. 

 

He made a deal. And that's real bad news for the Senators on the SSCI. 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

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