jeffismagic Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 That only works if you believe the Bills "insiders" on this board are credible. That's how it works. It's a take it or leave it proposition. But the idea that Whaley couldn't work with Rex then forces one to wonder why Whaley wasn't fired with Rex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 I wonder if the Pegula structure of GM reporting to the Pegula and coach reporting to Pegula actually creates animosity between coach and GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 I wonder if the Pegula structure of GM reporting to the Pegula and coach reporting to Pegula actually creates animosity between coach and GM. That's a good question. My guess would be that it depends on the personalities of the people you have in place. It's entirely plausible that Whaley resented the fact that he was put in a horizontal position to the HC on the organization flow chart and tried to find ways to set himself over our HCs or vice versa. It's also entirely possible that ALL organizations have certain friction internally, but they actually keep it internal rather than fighting for control of the franchise like it's the Iron Throne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_with_it Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 The personal friends of Whaley dismissed that Whaley shared any blame?The same ones that attempted to discredit any notion of Whaley's job being in jeopardy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 That's how it works. It's a take it or leave it proposition. But the idea that Whaley couldn't work with Rex then forces one to wonder why Whaley wasn't fired with Rex. He was. It just took longer to be made official. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 The same ones that attempted to discredit any notion of Whaley's job being in jeopardy. Just about. Me, I'm old school. Despite all the many efforts to trash his name and drag him in the mud, I still trust Vic Carucci over any poster in here not named John Warrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 He was. It just took longer to be made official. The Pegulas changed course after becoming smitten with McDermott. Let's all hope he's the man to finally get the team past the point of mediocrity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Curt Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 I will say the one thing that Doug Whaley did for the Bills was make them relevant again in some ways. Some how the Bills were able to convince big time free agents to come to Buffalo. The Bills have a horrible reputation around the league as Siberia. We have made the playoffs in this century, yet we were on the news consistently. Was it for winning no, however compared to the previous regimes, Whaley had a 30-34 record. The best record we've had in years. Where Whaley failed was he was trying to "just make the playoffs" for the new season or two. He didn't have a vision for 5 or 10 years down the road. The pressure of missing the playoffs got to Whaley. He wanted to make the playoffs so bad that he sold his soul to the devil for a quick fix. It's very easy to say blow it up and start over when you feel you're a player or two away. If Whaley made the playoffs, once during his time here he'd be a God. But unfortunately for him, he's just gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 I wonder if the Pegula structure of GM reporting to the Pegula and coach reporting to Pegula actually creates animosity between coach and GM. Of course it does, and it's been discussed in detail on practically every page of this thread. The Pegula Flat structure requires that Pegula be the "decider". But he doesnt want to make decisions, and shouldnt be making decisions since he isnt a football guy. He wants to lead from his mansion in Florida. He either needs to appoint McD as the boss, or hire a football boss for both to answer to. It is this structure that leads to bickering and long term animosity. Especially when you are dealing with the big egos and stubborn personalities typically found in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 I think the truth, probably differing from a lot of fan speculation, that Whaley is a quite good talent evaluator, a middle-of-the-road people manager (which is a lot of a GM's role), and still developing at the skill of valuing a player or a contract. I think he left a lot of that to Monos and Overdorf, and mistakes were made. I don't think he was fired for messing up the EJ pick or the Sammy pick or any other pick or trade. I think he was fired for lacking consistency and oversight into decisions affecting the cap and into contract provisions. Sounds right.... if he was as incompetent as the pitch fork crowd painted, he'd have never even made it past his first season in Pittsburgh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Just about. Me, I'm old school. Despite all the many efforts to trash his name and drag him in the mud, I still trust Vic Carucci over any poster in here not named John Warrow. Vic has been his own worst enemy, and he has been wrong many times since coming back to Buffalo. Perhaps the "new" Bills organization will mend fences with TBN so guys like Vic can be relevant again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 (edited) That's a good question. My guess would be that it depends on the personalities of the people you have in place. It's entirely plausible that Whaley resented the fact that he was put in a horizontal position to the HC on the organization flow chart and tried to find ways to set himself over our HCs or vice versa. It's also entirely possible that ALL organizations have certain friction internally, but they actually keep it internal rather than fighting for control of the franchise like it's the Iron Throne. .......Whaley & staff had built the defense personnel wise into a top five unit (Schwartz adapted his scheme to fit the personnel as well).....with the arrival of Wrecks, a significant portion of the work put into getting it to a top five was undone.......often wondered if Whaley soured on the organization watching those efforts result in going from a top 5 to #19 at the blowhard's undoing....sure as hell would piss me off.......... Edited May 5, 2017 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Vic has been his own worst enemy, and he has been wrong many times since coming back to Buffalo. Perhaps the "new" Bills organization will mend fences with TBN so guys like Vic can be relevant again. I'll take his track record any day and any time over any of the "insiders" that post in here not named John Warrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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