Billy Zabka Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 (edited) Again a STREET UFA. Turned into a 5th. Sorry i dont want to pay good money to a BU RB in todays NFL. It's irrelevant that Gillislee was a street UFA. Point is you should judge a guy by production- not draft status or how he was acquired. Sad re-run of Jason Peters "he was just a UDFA" takes. If the Patriots traded Tom Brady for a third round pick I guess they are geniuses for turning a 6th round pick into a 3rd. Reply Retwee Lik Edited April 25, 2017 by Billy Zabka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 SMH So it makes no difference that the Bills lost a very good player for them. I don't care where he came from. he proved to be a big asset for the offense. Again yes they lost a good player. But it was the right move to not match It's irrelevant that Gillislee was a street UFA. Point is you should judge a guy by production- not draft status or how he was acquired. Sad re-run of Jason Peters "he was just a UDFA" takes. If the Patriots traded Tom Brady for a third round pick I guess they are geniuses for turning a 6th round pick into a 3rd. Reply Retwee Lik Ok he was a BU RB. Cool. I am glad the Bills dont want to drop 4M on a BU RB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Again yes they lost a good player. But it was the right move to not match It should never have come to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach55 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Who left the liquor cabinet unlocked? At what point are people going to realize that running backs are not truly a dime a dozen (most are). Gillislee didn't average 5.6 yds/carry because he was just another backup running back. Just because he was drafted in the 5th round and came off out of practice fodder doesn't make him expendable. I stand by my prediction - NE will feature him and all of a sudden have a rediculous running game this year. Just remember, Fred Jackson came out of no where... Terrell Davis was a 6th round pick. Just because you came from nowhere and were a back up doesn't mean you are irreplaceable. MG is just on the cusp of hitting his prime. 4-6 years of damaging running coming out of NE. Our front office sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 It should never have come to that. Why because you want to pay decent money to a BU RB. Those are role players. Good teams fill those positions cheaply. Well unless your a Bills fan that still thinks you play 1970s football in todays NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_with_it Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 And J Williams wont be that right? Because you know Gillislee rookie year numbers of 21 yards and 3.5 ypc obviously he was a bust right? Well first he will have to make the team, second he will have to learn to not fumble, third he will have to gain some semblence of speed back, fourth he will have to not get suspended for the first 2-4 games for his dwi, and fmslly he will have to scrape himself off the bottom of the depth chart. So im go out on a very strong limb here and say Willsims wont come close to 627 yds/9ts from scrimage. Why because you want to pay decent money to a BU RB. Those are role players. Good teams fill those positions cheaply. Well unless your a Bills fan that still thinks you play 1970s football in todays NFL Do role players account for 14 percent of the teams total points? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Disappointing, and unsurprising. Hopefully Jwill or whomever we draft can fill in nicely. Pats tend to get better, while we tread water and/or get worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Patriots finally got fleeced by the Bills. The ultimate homer post, well played Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Well first he will have to make the team, second he will have to learn to not fumble, third he will have to gain some semblence of speed back, fourth he will have to not get suspended for the first 2-4 games for his dwi, and fmslly he will have to scrape himself off the bottom of the depth chart. So im go out on a very strong limb here and say Willsims wont come close to 627 yds/9ts from scrimage. Well again man Mike is a stud. I mean afterall glad we stole him after being cut a second time. Cause you know RBs are what they are after their Rookie Year. At end of day nothing changes if or if not Mike Gillislee is on this team. Well first he will have to make the team, second he will have to learn to not fumble, third he will have to gain some semblence of speed back, fourth he will have to not get suspended for the first 2-4 games for his dwi, and fmslly he will have to scrape himself off the bottom of the depth chart. So im go out on a very strong limb here and say Willsims wont come close to 627 yds/9ts from scrimage. Do role players account for 14 percent of the teams total points? They do when you have a QB that cant throw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Again a STREET UFA. Turned into a 5th. Sorry i dont want to pay good money to a BU RB in todays NFL. What difference does it make that he was a street FA? Jason Peters was a UDFA, yet most felt flipping him for a 1st was a bad deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 What difference does it make that he was a street FA? Jason Peters was a UDFA, yet most felt flipping him for a 1st was a bad deal. Hmmm lets see here Modern NFL Yes losing a premier LT >>>>>> a BU RB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 (edited) Hmmm lets see here Modern NFL Yes losing a premier LT >>>>>> a BU RB Now you're changing your argument. You put "street UFA" in all caps, now you're saying that's irrelevant to the analysis. Also, Rd 1 pick >>>>>> Rd 5 pick Edited April 25, 2017 by Rob's House Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Well again man Mike is a stud. I mean afterall glad we stole him after being cut a second time. Cause you know RBs are what they are after their Rookie Year. At end of day nothing changes if or if not Mike Gillislee is on this team. They do when you have a QB that cant throw Why did Watkins have a breakout year in 2015? Losing MG is a loss. period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Now you're changing your argument. You put "street UFA" in all caps, now you're saying that's irrelevant to the analysis. Also, Rd 1 pick >>>>>> Rd 5 pick Here i will say it very slow. To flip a street UFA to a 5th round pick is actually decent value. Specially when that player is a BU RB, will be 27 as well, have a second year RB on the roster and signed a short yardage back. Yes that is what good teams do not overpay roll players. Why did Watkins have a breakout year in 2015? Losing MG is a loss. period. Lol Sammy hasnt really had a breakout year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Here i will say it very slow. To flip a street UFA to a 5th round pick is actually decent value. Specially when that player is a BU RB, will be 27 as well, have a second year RB on the roster and signed a short yardage back. Yes that is what good teams do not overpay roll players. Lol Sammy hasnt really had a breakout year. Taylor and Watkins were one of the top duos in the NFL the second half of 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Here i will say it very slow. To flip a street UFA to a 5th round pick is actually decent value. Specially when that player is a BU RB, will be 27 as well, have a second year RB on the roster and signed a short yardage back. Yes that is what good teams do not overpay roll players. I disagree. How you acquire the player is irrelevant to his value. Flipping a UDFA into a 1st is good value by that standard. Your better argument is that a RB2 has less value, not that the price of his acquisition was low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Here i will say it very slow. To flip a street UFA to a 5th round pick is actually decent value. Specially when that player is a BU RB, will be 27 as well, have a second year RB on the roster and signed a short yardage back. Yes that is what good teams do not overpay roll players. Lol Sammy hasnt really had a breakout year. The Bills strength is running the football, and they lost a very good part of that. MG is a very good back. A good change of pace back to McCoy, who probably will miss time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Why because you want to pay decent money to a BU RB. Those are role players. Good teams fill those positions cheaply. Well unless your a Bills fan that still thinks you play 1970s football in todays NFL The best team in the NFL just made him their #1. What else is there to understand. I liked what he brought and obviously he got noticed. Bills could have kept him for less than he will be paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Whaley uses a 1st, 1st, 2nd, 4th, 4th, 4th on Watkins and Ragland. Lights an early 4th rounder on fire for fumbling bust Bryce Brown. Yet when Whaley loses a very nice RB for a glorified 6th Round pick hes a genius for turning a free agent into a 5th rounder. Let's hope Whaley has finally learned his lesson of the value of draft choices but in this case I would rather have Gillislee. (at 2nd round tender price) No, not tendering him at the 2nd round level and negotiating a longer term cap friendlier contract was the mistake. Whaley painted himself into a no win situation by either losing a good player for a glorified 6th round pick or paying him 4 million a year. GM's should avoid those. I like this guy. Again a STREET UFA. Turned into a 5th. Sorry i dont want to pay good money to a BU RB in todays NFL. He was a productive player. Does it matter where he was drafted? Let me help you, the answer is no. I'm still waiting for the Jaguars to trade away Hurns for a 5th rounder...because well...who knows!!! Logic? Of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 (edited) At what point are people going to realize that running backs are not truly a dime a dozen (most are). Gillislee didn't average 5.6 yds/carry because he was just another backup running back. Just because he was drafted in the 5th round and came off out of practice fodder doesn't make him expendable. I stand by my prediction - NE will feature him and all of a sudden have a rediculous running game this year. Just remember, Fred Jackson came out of no where... Terrell Davis was a 6th round pick. Just because you came from nowhere and were a back up doesn't mean you are irreplaceable. MG is just on the cusp of hitting his prime. 4-6 years of damaging running coming out of NE. Our front office sucks. You're acting like I didn't like MG, I did. I was happy with his performance for the most part. I think as fans we get a little too attached to any sort of bright spots on the team. I think Gilli was a great compliment to McCoy, but there is no reason to think he could be the full-time starter after Shady which was basically the contract was signifying with the amount of money in place. Look at his stat line. Most of his damage came in relief of Shady with a limited amount of carries. Another stat to note is the number of times he carried the ball 15 times or more when shady(6 games) was out of the lineup? Twice. Season Finale against the jets in 2015 24 carries for 28 yards and the season finale in 2016 with 15 carries for 40 yards, not so great, his 5.7 YPC average started to dip once he carried the ball more. Even with his biggest Cheerleader/Fan, Rex didn't give him the opportunity to carry the load in Miami with McCoy obviously suffering from a hamstring injury. The price was just too steep for his value to this team, cannot forget the money invested in the RB/FB position DiMarco, Tolbert, and Williams attached to McCoy's big salary. Edited April 25, 2017 by Captain Murica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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