stuvian Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 He started one year in college and had twelve games as a Bronco before going to Houston. I am aware of how badly things looked for him as a Texan but I can't help thinking that at some price point he is a good contrarian play. I think that Houston saw him as a finished product which he wasn't. I believe in renaissance QBs when given the chance in the right system (Rich Gannon, Jim Plunkett, Randall Cunningham, Doug Flutie, Steve Young). My question is at what price point does taking Brock Osweiler make sense? I believe he is salvageable and in time could be a competent QB along the lines of Matt Stafford. If we are trading down we are essentially opting out of this QB class and would likely entertain such options along with AJ McCarron etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wideright24 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Did you forget about Tyrod? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NoSaint Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 If you wanted him as a backup project you have to wait for that contract to run its course The browns got a pick just to take him because of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 He started one year in college and had twelve games as a Bronco before going to Houston. I am aware of how badly things looked for him as a Texan but I can't help thinking that at some price point he is a good contrarian play. I think that Houston saw him as a finished product which he wasn't. I believe in renaissance QBs when given the chance in the right system (Rich Gannon, Jim Plunkett, Randall Cunningham, Doug Flutie, Steve Young). My question is at what price point does taking Brock Osweiler make sense? I believe he is salvageable and in time could be a competent QB along the lines of Matt Stafford. If we are trading down we are essentially opting out of this QB class and would likely entertain such options along with AJ McCarron etc How do you figure trading down is "opting out of this QB class?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 From what I hear, Browns are willing to take on 10 mill of his 16 mill gtd salary this year to trade him. I'm not a brock fan but he does know the offense. If Dennison likes him I'm sure he let the team know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 (edited) I don't think he's ever going to be good. Watched him a lot here in AZ and he looked just as bad in the pros. Should've improved by now if he's ever going to be good, I would think. Flash in the pan. Edited April 24, 2017 by LeGOATski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo86 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 The dude looked TERRIBLE last year. I'm not saying he could never get better, but still... TERRIBLE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted April 24, 2017 Author Share Posted April 24, 2017 How do you figure trading down is "opting out of this QB class?" if you trade out of the first round you are opting out of this year's class with the possible exception of Kizer or Webb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 So you're saying he could throw for 5,000 yards like stafford can? Have you seen this guy play? There is zero chance this guy is ever a winning qb in the nfl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 if you trade out of the first round you are opting out of this year's class with the possible exception of Kizer or WebbYou didn't mention trading out of the first round. If we traded down with Houston, for example, and took their 25th pick, it's not unlikely that two of the three- Mahommes, Watson, Kizer- would be available. But, even if we did trade out of the first round, one of those three, as well as Webb, Kaaya, and Peterman would likely be available as late as the third round. Frankly, I would suspect that trading down would make it easier for us to draft a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted April 24, 2017 Author Share Posted April 24, 2017 You didn't mention trading out of the first round. If we traded down with Houston, for example, and took their 25th pick, it's not unlikely that two of the three- Mahommes, Watson, Kizer- would be available. But, even if we did trade out of the first round, one of those three, as well as Webb, Kaaya, and Peterman would likely be available as late as the third round. Frankly, I would suspect that trading down would make it easier for us to draft a QB. I don't disagree but trading out of round one entirely is tantamount to saying this year's QBs offer nothing. Trading into the bottom of round 1 should land us the likes of Mahomes, Webb or Kizer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Why do we want Osweiler again? We just got rid of a big guy that couldn't play QB. There is no need for another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted April 24, 2017 Author Share Posted April 24, 2017 Why do we want Osweiler again? We just got rid of a big guy that couldn't play QB. There is no need for another. Not a question of want just a matter of whether a deal is sufficiently wothwhile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 (edited) So you're saying he could throw for 5,000 yards like stafford can? Have you seen this guy play? There is zero chance this guy is ever a winning qb in the nfl. Agreed...Osweiler is the white version of EJ Manuel. Edited April 24, 2017 by JaCrispy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Why do we want Osweiler again? We just got rid of a big guy that couldn't play QB. There is no need for another. ....how do threads like this even happen?....good Lord..........are we THIS desperate??.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Not a question of want just a matter of whether a deal is sufficiently wothwhileIt's not The contract alone makes him the hardest player in the league to move. That is the 1st trade that I can remember (in the NFL) where a team attached an asset to get rid of a guy. In addition to the horrible contract, he is a bad football player. If we are looking for a reclamation project I'd rather Kaep (and I don't want him). At least Kaep has played well at the NFL level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted April 24, 2017 Author Share Posted April 24, 2017 It's not The contract alone makes him the hardest player in the league to move. That is the 1st trade that I can remember (in the NFL) where a team attached an asset to get rid of a guy. In addition to the horrible contract, he is a bad football player. If we are looking for a reclamation project I'd rather Kaep (and I don't want him). At least Kaep has played well at the NFL level. don't disagree with anything you've said but if we opt out of this year's QB class we may need to look at long shots like Brock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 don't disagree with anything you've said but if we opt out of this year's QB class we may need to look at long shots like BrockWhy? He's significantly worse than what we currently have. We are looking for an upgrade (which is why we are opting out of this class). We'd be much better off trying to get that guy in 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted April 24, 2017 Author Share Posted April 24, 2017 Why? He's significantly worse than what we currently have. We are looking for an upgrade (which is why we are opting out of this class). We'd be much better off trying to get that guy in 2018. if we can negotiate his contract down he wouldn't be a bad option. Did Dennison not coach him in Denver? I think we might be looking at a Rich Gannon / Jim Plunkett situation here where a guy can succeed in the right circumstances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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