Reed83HOF Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Josh NorrisVerified account @JoshNorris 15m15 minutes ago Josh Norris Retweeted Cian Fahey "Kizer’s footwork is special. His feet are always balanced and patient but he knows when to make decisive movements." http://presnapreads.com/2017/04/12/evaluating-quarterback-prospects-mitchell-trubisky-and-deshaun-watson/ A few tidbits: "Yet despite the constant failures that come with being a draft analyst, there are plenty of people who will try to teach you how to scout. As if there is some formula that works perfectly. Michael Lombardi is one of those people. Recently Lombardi wrote his seven rules to finding a franchise quarterback on the Ringer. The article primarily focuses on mental attributes and the aesthetics. Most of what Lombardi said sounds great until you realize it can’t actually be used to proactively identify franchise quarterbacks. It relies on catchphrases and tries to examine elements of the person rather than the player. ... It’s hard to win in the NFL with a quarterback who wastes snaps. Andy Dalton, Blake Bortles and Alex Smith are some of the worst offenders when it comes to this. Tyrod Taylor and Russell Wilson are too but they offset the plays they waste by creating outside of structure more often than other quarterbacks. Wilson and Taylor are great examples of players who have some very specific flaws but those flaws exist in the minority of their performances. The 90+ percent of what they do on the field outweighs the other 10 percent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 qb no.1 evaluation over everything else...td to int. ratio. qbs who are in the 90/10% seem to always succeed vs. 60/40% thats why i'd rather go trubisky 30-6 my ratios above are a general but it's the idea and the number one indicator to me. a qb who throws over 15 picks in a season in college is probably gonna be a pick machine in the pros///jmo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 You want college production with NFL traits. Using this metric I like Trubisky and Mahomes the best out of the 4 most mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 I don't think Tru will be there at 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 I don't agree with the entire article and take great exception to Cam Newton being lumped in with Ryan Leaf. Those two don't belong in the same article. I agree that Watson is a superior prospect to Trubisky at this point and has of the charts intangibles. Looking at film I was surprised by how good of a runner Trubisky is and watching the Watson film I was pleasantly surprised by his passing technique and accuracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 I am still shocked at how little respect Watson gets. The guy did thing against defenses that regularly produce first and second round talent. I agree, the whole MPH at the combine on the ball is concerning, however there is the unmeasurable "IT" factor that Watson has. You always want players that shine when the lights are the brightest and Watson does that in spades. However, I have to wonder if his turnovers will carry over into the NFL. You look at or current NFL MVP and his draft year stats. Crazy to think he was so much more regarded than Watson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lothar Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 I don't agree with the entire article and take great exception to Cam Newton being lumped in with Ryan Leaf. Those two don't belong in the same article. I agree that Watson is a superior prospect to Trubisky at this point and has of the charts intangibles. Looking at film I was surprised by how good of a runner Trubisky is and watching the Watson film I was pleasantly surprised by his passing technique and accuracy. I believe he thinks Watson would flop in the NFL based on his tangible traits, Mahomes has some upside but probably isn't capable of changing his propensity to run, Kizer has great footwork and bad accuracy.The only one he thinks has the necessary footwork and accuracy required to be a top 10 pick is Trubisky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dulles Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Josh NorrisVerified account @JoshNorris 15m15 minutes ago Josh Norris Retweeted Cian Fahey "Kizer’s footwork is special. His feet are always balanced and patient but he knows when to make decisive movements." http://presnapreads.com/2017/04/12/evaluating-quarterback-prospects-mitchell-trubisky-and-deshaun-watson/ Serious question...Who is Josh Norris? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted April 13, 2017 Author Share Posted April 13, 2017 Serious question...Who is Josh Norris? http://lmgtfy.com/?q=josh+norris+nfl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Who do you think he's referring to? Recently a top prospect I wont say who was dinged by his college teammates. They hated him to the degree that they refused to attend any of his private workouts. Thats a huge red flag. An unfortunate NFL team ignored it and drafted him on Day 1. What happened? His new teammates ended up feeling just like his old ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Who do you think he's referring to? Lynch? Goff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Lynch? Goff? Would we know one way or the other about them by now? I think possibly Bortles who has developed a rep in Jacksonville for not loving the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Would we know one way or the other about them by now? I think possibly Bortles who has developed a rep in Jacksonville for not loving the process. Cian Fahey. Analytics expert turned QB "guru". He is training at the school of Cossell ballet dancing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Cian Fahey. Analytics expert turned QB "guru". He is training at the school of Cossell ballet dancing. The line about teammates hating him was from Lombardi actually not Fahey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 The line about teammates hating him was from Lombardi actually not Fahey. Yeah, I saw that. Just laughed at anyone retweeting Fahey. What really annoys me is he refuses to use analytics on the QBs, that's what he gets known for. Instead he is writing about the beauty of Kizer's footwork?! Ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 (edited) Yeah, I saw that. Just laughed at anyone retweeting Fahey. What really annoys me is he refuses to use analytics on the QBs, that's what he gets known for. Instead he is writing about the beauty of Kizer's footwork?! Ugh. Yet he says that Kizer's accuracy flaws outweigh the footwork skills. I thought it was an excellent piece -- one of the better ones I've read lately. Someone above (not you) takes issue with the article for comparing Newton to Leaf. What article was he reading? Newton comes off well in this piece. People on this board can be so nasty toward the passionate amateurs who craft theses sites, regardless of the fact that those passionate amateurs are far better than most of us at breaking things down and actually have the get up and go to actually craft an article and post it. Edited April 13, 2017 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Cian Fahey. Analytics expert turned QB "guru". He is training at the school of Cossell ballet dancing. You have a weird obsession with Cian Fahey. Can't handle a little difference in opinion huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 You have a weird obsession with Cian Fahey. Can't handle a little difference in opinion huh? I can handle a different opinion. Greg Cossell has a completely different view on QB evaluation. But at least he shows his work and you understand where he is coming from. Fahey gets press for his analytics articles but during draft season he seems to be cribbing from Cossell but making it more click worthy. I see some of his latest QB work and talking about Kizer like a dancer made me laugh out loud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Who do you think he's referring to? Bo Callahan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellyToughII Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Bo Ca Bo Callahan LMAO can you see on Draft day McDermott looking at Whaley and the top scouts saying "I am trying real hard not to completely lose my **** on all of you right now, but you're not making it easy." I can handle a different opinion. Greg Cossell has a completely different view on QB evaluation. But at least he shows his work and you understand where he is coming from. Fahey gets press for his analytics articles but during draft season he seems to be cribbing from Cossell but making it more click worthy. I see some of his latest QB work and talking about Kizer like a dancer made me laugh out loud. My friend you and I agree on many things, but I say Cosell is nothing more than another "expert" that knows nothing. Remember this? http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000152748/article/ryan-nassib-is-top-qb-in-nfl-draft-greg-cosell-says Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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