dbflaBill Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 The Bills had Rivers in today to work out and interview. They need to find a way to get this kid. Don't see him lasting much pass the 4th, and right now they dont have a 4th rounder. May take their 3rd round pick to get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 The Bills had Rivers in today to work out and interview. They need to find a way to get this kid. Don't see him lasting much pass the 4th, and right now they dont have a 4th rounder. May take their 3rd round pick to get him. Derek Rivers in the 4th? That would qualify as an amazing steal. I think Rivers is a top-50 guy right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbflaBill Posted April 4, 2017 Author Share Posted April 4, 2017 Derek Rivers in the 4th? That would qualify as an amazing steal. I think Rivers is a top-50 guy right now. I'd be surprised but he has the size strength and speed to go that early. Playing at that level hurts him a little but playing in the MVC helps a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 (edited) I'd be surprised but he has the size strength and speed to go that early. Playing at that level hurts him a little but playing in the MVC helps a little. Rivers is the kind of kid that the combine can really help. Sure, he looks dominant on tape, but scouts want to know if that speed, fluidity, and athleticism merely pop because of who he's playing against. Then he comes to Indy and blows the doors off the testing--4th in 40, 4th in bench, 5th in vertical, 6th in broad, 3rd in 3-cone. If there were any doubt about whether or not he belongs among the top pass-rushing prospects in the class, it's gone now. My opinion only (obviously), but I reckon Buffalo needs to grab him at 44 if they want him. Edited April 4, 2017 by thebandit27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 He is projected to go in the 1st-2nd round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 why am I picturing a cross between Derek Carr and Phillip Rivers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 Good size OLB , at 44 maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 why am I picturing a cross between Derek Carr and Phillip Rivers? Better than picturing Keith Rivers God he was bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 Better than picturing Keith Rivers God he was bad Just thinking about Keith Rivers, I picture a large man moving in small motion at bad angles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 I see a lot of Michael McCrary when I watch him....... but just like McCrary that potential might not come to fruition until he's on his second team. Love pass rushers but not a fan of him at #44. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Good size OLB , at 44 maybe Looks like a DE to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjjr Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Would be a solid 3rd round pick and good fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 (edited) Looks like a DE to me He's tall enough and fast enough, 248lbs, to cover Gronk http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/derek-rivers?id=2558040 Edited April 5, 2017 by ALF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEBills Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Rather have Jordan Willis but kid has good potential too. Love to see us looking at DLineman. We need to add more and more talent there with Kyle close to retirement, Dareus with suspensions the past few years and Shaq unproven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 I see a lot of Michael McCrary when I watch him....... but just like McCrary that potential might not come to fruition until he's on his second team. Love pass rushers but not a fan of him at #44. The guy he reminded me of most was P. R. Kerrigan--tall and lean with excellent COD skills. Doubt he's as low/explosive out of the gate as Kerrigan though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 He is projected to go in the 1st-2nd round.I'm seeing 2nd/3rd round on CBS. That's much more reasonable to me. I'm not even thinking of him at 44 though. He's not even a guy I'd be excited about in round 3 of this draft. Looks like a DE to me Yes. I see a 4-3 DE. Someone might try to convert him to a 3-4 OLB, but that's a huge projection. YSU DE to NFL 3-4 OLB is an incredible change and jump forward. He's tall enough and fast enough, 248lbs, to cover Gronk http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/derek-rivers?id=2558040 You're probably the only one on the planet wanting to see that. Well, you, Gronk, Brady, Belichick, Kraft, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 The guy he reminded me of most was P. R. Kerrigan--tall and lean with excellent COD skills. Doubt he's as low/explosive out of the gate as Kerrigan though. What you don't want to be is the team that spends an early pick on a small school pass rusher only to have them be invisible for 3 years before reach their potential elsewhere. McCrary was a late pick.......guys like Cliff Avril and Michael Bennett were late bloomers. You spend a round 1-3 pick on a pass rusher they need to be pushing for the starting job and producing by year 2 at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 He's tall enough and fast enough, 248lbs, to cover Gronk http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/derek-rivers?id=2558040 There's a lot of guys 6'4" and 248 - that doesn't mean you can cover. He's a defensive end in a 4-3 and he'd only be an OLB in a 3-4. I'm not saying he can't cover or can't convert to an OLB but in a 4-3 that just wouldn't make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Just thinking about Keith Rivers, I picture a large man moving in small motion at bad angles. How does one move in small motion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 There's a lot of guys 6'4" and 248 - that doesn't mean you can cover. He's a defensive end in a 4-3 and he'd only be an OLB in a 3-4. I'm not saying he can't cover or can't convert to an OLB but in a 4-3 that just wouldn't make sense. In the games I watched, he had a total of 2 coverage drops. Not really off-ball drops either, covering the flat in a zone blitz. Didn't do a bad job but he doesn't scream conversion player. He screams designated pass rusher, just wind him up and let him attack. Struggles with the run but he's got a ton of potential as a pass rusher. Guys with his skill set don't last long enough for him to be on the board when I'd consider him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Smith Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Better than picturing Keith Rivers God he was bad Every time I picture Keith Rivers, I always remember Hines Ward putting that monster block on him breaking his jaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimKellyTryouts Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Every time I picture Keith Rivers, I always remember Hines Ward putting that monster block on him breaking his jaw. Or a crawling Arian Foster getting the first down thanks to not being touched Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 In the games I watched, he had a total of 2 coverage drops. Not really off-ball drops either, covering the flat in a zone blitz. Didn't do a bad job but he doesn't scream conversion player. He screams designated pass rusher, just wind him up and let him attack. Struggles with the run but he's got a ton of potential as a pass rusher. Guys with his skill set don't last long enough for him to be on the board when I'd consider him. I won't profess to know his game all that well but from the little I've read - it seems he often overruns to get to the passer and gets beat in the run game because of the QB pursuit. I think another knock is he's described as somewhat "tight hipped". Again, not saying he can't convert but I see him as a part time pass rush specialist that could earn additional playing time as he learns to understand the other responsibilities of the DE position. To add to your point about his skills dictating a higher draft position than you'd be willing to entertain - I'd add that would probably also ring true for a team running a 3-4. A team running a 4-3 would be interested in him at a higher draft position than a 3-4 looking to convert him would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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