Formerly Allan in MD Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Well, that was "fun." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Please don't. You wanna know the most brutal truth in all of this? The Raiders might actually have a shot at the Superbowl the next 1-2 years ...which means... EJ Manuel might win a Super Bowl ring while Kyle Williams never gets to see the playoffs his entire career. Kyle would probably rather not win a ring then win one without contributing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 watch him take over for an injured carr in the playoffs and lead them to a sb win epic billsy I'd be happy if he does it in playoffs ala Frank Riech and knocks one of our least favorite teams out of playoffs. Some on this board will be cheering for that team to win because they hate him but I try not to judge those who prefer Tucks and soft balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Zabka Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 He's not a bad backup. He's 0-5 in his last 5 starts including 4 dumpster fire performances that blew very winnable games. He is a bad backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 He's 0-5 in his last 5 starts including 4 dumpster fire performances that blew very winnable games. He is a bad backup. Are you referring to the Jax game in which a bad defensive penalty for the Bills killed the win? (blame EJ for 4 minutes of bad play) Or are you referring to the Texans game in which Ryan Fitzpatrick was able to play like the second coming of Joe Montana? (blame EJ for the Watt pick-6) QBs don't have (W-L) records. Teams do. His last 5 starts were, by enlarge, team losses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 A classy young man. I wish him the best. I hope when the Bills play the Raiders, EJ is at QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Are you referring to the Jax game in which a bad defensive penalty for the Bills killed the win? (blame EJ for spotting the other team 21 points) Or are you referring to the Texans game in which Ryan Fitzpatrick was able to play like the second coming of Joe Montana? (blame EJ for the Watt pick-6 and playing like ass all afternoon) QBs don't have (W-L) records. Teams do. His last 5 starts were, by enlarge, team losses. Goooooooooog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Zabka Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Are you referring to the Jax game in which a bad defensive penalty for the Bills killed the win? (blame EJ for 4 minutes of bad play) Or are you referring to the Texans game in which Ryan Fitzpatrick was able to play like the second coming of Joe Montana? (blame EJ for the Watt pick-6) QBs don't have (W-L) records. Teams do. His last 5 starts were, by enlarge, team losses. 4 bad minutes of play in the Jax game? It was the worst stretch of quarterbacking I have ever seen in my life in which he gift wrapped 3 TD's to what was the worst D in the NFL at the time. I would say that played the biggest role in the Bills losing that game. In the Texans game, EJ was pretty brutal the entire game regardless of his crushing pick 6 to Watt. As far as Fitzpatrick looking like the second coming of Joe Montana that game, I don't know where you pulled that out of. He helped put up 16 offensive points, throwing for 1 TD 2 INTs and 268 yards. Maybe we have differing memories of Joe Montana. Quarterback is the most important position on the field and EJ's poor play heavily contributed to the Bills 0-5 record in his last 5 starts, 4 of which were very winnable games. There is no disputing this. You make yourself look foolish defending and excusing Manuel's horrendous play while at the same time harshly criticizing the current Bills starting QB who has played at a much higher level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) Are you referring to the Jax game in which a bad defensive penalty for the Bills killed the win? (blame EJ for 4 minutes of bad play) Or are you referring to the Texans game in which Ryan Fitzpatrick was able to play like the second coming of Joe Montana? (blame EJ for the Watt pick-6) QBs don't have (W-L) records. Teams do. His last 5 starts were, by enlarge, team losses. it's hard staying out of the EJ argument but sometimes it's needed. I'll go back to one comment that said EJ crumbles under pressure yet the Jags game you mentioned was proof that the posters comments were completely off base. As to the last game of the season who knows why it was such a bad game. Did EJ suck, did the play calling suck or did the team just not care? If EJ sucks for losing the Jags game. What does that say about Taylor and the offenses output against that same bad team? Edited March 19, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 it's hard staying out of the EJ argument but sometimes it's needed. I'll go back to one comment that said EJ crumbles under pressure yet the Jags game you mentioned was proof that the posters comments were completely off base. As to the last game of the season who knows why it was such a bad game. Did EJ suck, did the play calling suck or did the team just not care? If EJ sucks for losing the Jags game. What does that say about Taylor and the offenses output against that same bad team? TT didn't hand the Jags 21 points with his turnovers. EJ was the reason that they lost the Jacksonville game. A QB has never spotted a team 21 points on his own and not been a big part of the reason for a loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Zabka Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 it's hard staying out of the EJ argument but sometimes it's needed. I'll go back to one comment that said EJ crumbles under pressure yet the Jags game you mentioned was proof that the posters comments were completely off base. As to the last game of the season who knows why it was such a bad game. Did EJ suck, did the play calling suck or did the team just not care? If EJ sucks for losing the Jags game. What does that say about Taylor and the offenses output against that same bad team? Your Jags comparison is weak. The Jags had the 6th ranked Defense last year after adding a ton of talent. Tyrod lead the Bills to 28 points, didn't turn the ball over and got the win by 7 points. Two years ago EJ went in against a Jags D that at the time was near the bottom of the league in most categories and gift wrapped 3 TD's to the Jags and lost the game. EJ is 0-5 in his last 5 starts and was awful in 4 of those blowing very winnable games. He has rightfully taken his place as a 3rd string camp arm and I wish him the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) TT didn't hand the Jags 21 points with his turnovers. EJ was the reason that they lost the Jacksonville game. A QB has never spotted a team 21 points on his own and not been a big part of the reason for a loss.Exactly. EJ spotted them 21 points and the team regained the lead. The 2016 Bills should have won easily don't you think? I took all 4 QTRs and the defense to keep the Jags for taking the lead again with 10 min left as the following Bills drive went 3 and out Edited March 19, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Exactly. EJ spotted them 21 points and the team regained the lead. The 2016 Bills should have won easily yet it too all 4 QTRs don't you think? Are you arguing the team outside of EJ played better then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 I'm saying the team w/o EJ should have won easily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bomb Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) Great guy, wish him luck, real team player, but just not starting QB material. I maintained from the second they picked him he would never be worth that draft spot, so Billsy. Edited March 19, 2017 by T-Bomb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 I'm saying the team w/o EJ should have won easily They played a different team. The 2016 Jags were 6th in yards allowed. The 2015 Jags were 24th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Your Jags comparison is weak. The Jags had the 6th ranked Defense last year after adding a ton of talent. Tyrod lead the Bills to 28 points, didn't turn the ball over and got the win by 7 points. Two years ago EJ went in against a Jags D that at the time was near the bottom of the league in most categories and gift wrapped 3 TD's to the Jags and lost the game. EJ is 0-5 in his last 5 starts and was awful in 4 of those blowing very winnable games. He has rightfully taken his place as a 3rd string camp arm and I wish him the best. Is it now? Are we talking about the same 3 win Jaguars? They played a different team. The 2016 Jags were 6th in yards allowed. The 2015 Jags were 24th.See above. A three win team. As embarrassing as the JETS loss week 2The 2016 Jets were not the same 2015 team I expect more from the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) Is it now? Are we talking about the same 3 win Jaguars? See above. A three win team. As embarrassing as the JETS loss week 2 The 2016 Jets were not the same 2015 team I expect more from the team. EJ got embarassed by those same Jets in 2016 when the game was meaningless. TT kept it competitive week 2. Are you arguing TT"s win wasn't a good win, but EJ's loss was a good loss? Edited March 19, 2017 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Zabka Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) Is it now? Are we talking about the same 3 win Jaguars? See above. A three win team. As embarrassing as the JETS loss week 2 The 2016 Jets were not the same 2015 team I expect more from the team. Again there is no comparison. EJ lost his start, Tyrod won his. EJ badly turned the ball over three times leading to 3 Jacksonville TD's. Tyrod did not turn the ball over. 2015 Jacksonville D was bad...2016 Jacksonville D was good. You are grasping at straws and looking foolish. Edited March 19, 2017 by b2henning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Exactly. EJ spotted them 21 points and the team regained the lead. The 2016 Bills should have won easily don't you think? I took all 4 QTRs and the defense to keep the Jags for taking the lead again with 10 min left as the following Bills drive went 3 and out Not really sure what your point is? The loss in 2015 rests on EJ's shoulders. The Bills won in 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Not really sure what your point is? The loss in 2015 rests on EJ's shoulders. The Bills won in 2016. His point was EJ had a great loss except for all those pick sixes and Tyrod didn't win convincingly enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 His point was EJ had a great loss except for all those pick sixes and Tyrod didn't win convincingly enough.Oh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Oh Hahah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Zabka Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 His point was EJ had a great loss except for all those pick sixes and Tyrod didn't win convincingly enough. EJ kindly spotted the Jags 20 points and the Bills scored a defensive TD that game, so technically EJ was good for a net of 4 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 (edited) Not really sure what your point is? The loss in 2015 rests on EJ's shoulders. The Bills won in 2016. You refuse to see the issue. TT is good, he's not great. It's not a slam, its a reality. The TT led team is supposed to be superior, yet in the end the game was lost and won in the closing minutes of the 4th. His point was EJ had a great loss except for all those pick sixes and Tyrod didn't win convincingly enough. Yes, the TT the better QB should have won convincingly. If you can't see that it is because you refuse to. WRT the Jags defense the better, Az has a #2 rated D in total yards, yet the Bills won 33-18. What of the bad defense for the Raiders? Oh wait that fault is on the Bills defense. Barely winning against 3 win team is a win, but it's still not a boast of the teams abilities. I'm not the one who compared TT and EJ's game. I'm just replying with my opinion. Edited March 20, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 You refuse to see the issue. TT is good, he's not great. It's not a slam, its a reality. The TT led team is supposed to be superior, yet in the end the game was lost and won in the closing minutes of the 4th. I'm refusing to see what? I didn't even understand your point until FireChan clarified it. If you find where I said "TT was great" feel free to post it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Is EJ even a lock to make the Raider's roster? They could go with just Carr and Cook as their top 2 guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Is EJ even a lock to make the Raider's roster? They could go with just Carr and Cook as their top 2 guys. Agreed. The EJ signing is about making Cook earn the #2 job. I suspect he does and EJ is released at final cuts. If he doesn't EJ sticks as the #2 and they carry 3 QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 You refuse to see the issue. TT is good, he's not great. It's not a slam, its a reality. The TT led team is supposed to be superior, yet in the end the game was lost and won in the closing minutes of the 4th. Yes, the TT the better QB should have won convincingly. If you can't see that it is because you refuse to. WRT the Jags defense the better, Az has a #2 rated D in total yards, yet the Bills won 33-18. What of the bad defense for the Raiders? Oh wait that fault is on the Bills defense. Barely winning against 3 win team is a win, but it's still not a boast of the teams abilities. I'm not the one who compared TT and EJ's game. I'm just replying with my opinion. It was won. That's what matters. TT won the game. He is also the better QB. That's why he's a starter in the NFL and EJ is not. TT won more games in his first year starting than EJ did in his entire career. Really all there is to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 (edited) It was won. That's what matters. TT won the game. He is also the better QB. That's why he's a starter in the NFL and EJ is not. TT won more games in his first year starting than EJ did in his entire career. Really all there is to say. Youse guys are funny. Taylor completed 12 of 18 throws for 166 yards and ran for 38 yards, 5 sacks and 1 TD pass to Justin Hunter at the end when trailing 21-20. + Shady run in for the 2 point conversion. Funny how people forget the rushing TD by Shady to end the half to make the score 7-6 and the 75 yard rushing TD by Shady to open the 2nd half to make the score 7-14. In all honesty the team won the game. Edited March 20, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Youse guys are funny. Taylor completed 12 of 18 throws for 166 yards and ran for 38 yards, 5 sacks and 1 TD pass to Justin Hunter at the end. Funny how people forget the rushing TD by Shady to end the half to make the score 7-6 and the 75 yard rushing TD by Shady to open the 2nd half to make the score 7-14. In all honesty the team won the game. EJ has won 6 games in his whole career. TT has won 15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 (edited) It was won. That's what matters. TT won the game. He is also the better QB. That's why he's a starter in the NFL and EJ is not. TT won more games in his first year starting than EJ did in his entire career. Really all there is to say. I think that this pretty much sums it up. TT is a decent starting QB; EJ has a chance to make a roster. They aren't comparable players and really never have been despite the gymnastics that some tried to apply. No one is saying that Taylor is great. I am pretty comfortable though in saying that EJ is terrible. He is a nice kid with a great attitude but he can't play QB in the NFL. Edited March 20, 2017 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabe Northern Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 No one is saying that Taylor is great. Given career NFL statistics and eye-ball test, it is easier to make the case that "Taylor is great" than it would be to argue that EJ Manuel deserves a chance to start in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 (edited) EJ has won 6 games in his whole career. TT has won 15. Thanks for that, much appreciated. Why didn't I think of comparing a backup with 16 total games against as 5th year starter with 29 total games! So EJ may be going to Oakland. BFD. Get over it fellas, he's history I'll listen to my own advice stay out of the EJ arguments . Edited March 20, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 16 total versus 29 Thanks for that, much appreciated .. Is .517 better than .375? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 (edited) like a dog with a bone. keep on trucking. I've said my share. Edited March 20, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Thanks for that, much appreciated. Why didn't I think of comparing a backup with 16 total games against as 5th year starter with 29 total games! So EJ may be going to Oakland. BFD. Get over it fellas, he's history I'll listen to my own advice stay out of the EJ arguments . Calling TT a 5th year starter? You don't happen to know BillsFan4Ever do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoverbills Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 (edited) It was won. That's what matters. TT won the game. He is also the better QB. That's why he's a starter in the NFL and EJ is not. TT won more games in his first year starting than EJ did in his entire career. Really all there is to say. I wonder if TT came to the bills right out of college . In the same situation as EJ with no QB coach and no veteran QB to talk to. And EJ got drafted by the Ravens and got to sit a couple years behind Flacco and learn from Kubiak. I wonder if TT would still be in the nfl right know. McCoy wasn't here EJ first two years. TT might had to throw the ball more. Edited March 20, 2017 by Hanoverbills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 I wonder if TT came to the bills right out of college . In the same situation as EJ with no QB coach and no veteran QB to talk to. And EJ got drafted by the Ravens and got to sit a couple years behind Flacco and learn from Kubiak. EJ probably would've still sucked. Some people just don't have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 I wonder if TT came to the bills right out of college . In the same situation as EJ with no QB coach and no veteran QB to talk to. And EJ got drafted by the Ravens and got to sit a couple years behind Flacco and learn from Kubiak. The years behind Flacco undoubtedly helped Tyrod but you can't ignore that EJ's best games all came in his first 8 or 9 starts. I actually think with 4 years of info to look back on we can probably say EJ's best chance of making it was not to have the knee injury in Cleveland and to keep playing and building confidence before he started to look horrible. Not saying that would have worked but I think it would have been better than sitting him. Think the more he sat and "learned" the more confused he became. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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