Deranged Rhino Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 6 minutes ago, Taro T said: So, 44 issuing vague threats about what relaliation might look like was thought to be more threatening than stating something along the lines of "if you do this, we will do that?" SERIOUSLY? And this from an article written by a "friendly." How in the #### is a guy who hasn't followed through on specific threats (red line in the sand, anyone?) going to be deemed MORE serious by making non-specific ones? Putin probably laughed in his face to that one. I'll just add to this... The inaction by 44 shows one thing for sure - he was confident that HRC was going to win. That's the only innocent explanation for this kind of deliberate inaction. He didn't want to give Trump the grounds to protest the election results. That's inarguable. What's more controversial, though I think much closer to the full truth, is that 44 wanted them to back off because the Russian Collusion was ongoing and key to 44 and his team's efforts to not just rig the election in favor of HRC - but to frame Trump for prosecution after the election was over. HRC has a LONG tradition of punishing her enemies. I have no doubt her plan was to win the election and use the Russian Collusion Narrative she paid for to try to "lock him up". Turn about is going to be hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: I'll just add to this... The inaction by 44 shows one thing for sure - he was confident that HRC was going to win. That's the only innocent explanation for this kind of deliberate inaction. He didn't want to give Trump the grounds to protest the election results. That's inarguable. What's more controversial, though I think much closer to the full truth, is that 44 wanted them to back off because the Russian Collusion was ongoing and key to 44 and his team's efforts to not just rig the election in favor of HRC - but to frame Trump for prosecution after the election was over. HRC has a LONG tradition of punishing her enemies. I have no doubt her plan was to win the election and use the Russian Collusion Narrative she paid for to try to "lock him up". Turn about is going to be hilarious. And how are the leftist morons in here going to spin what you said here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Taro T Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 54 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: I'll just add to this... The inaction by 44 shows one thing for sure - he was confident that HRC was going to win. That's the only innocent explanation for this kind of deliberate inaction. He didn't want to give Trump the grounds to protest the election results. That's inarguable. What's more controversial, though I think much closer to the full truth, is that 44 wanted them to back off because the Russian Collusion was ongoing and key to 44 and his team's efforts to not just rig the election in favor of HRC - but to frame Trump for prosecution after the election was over. HRC has a LONG tradition of punishing her enemies. I have no doubt her plan was to win the election and use the Russian Collusion Narrative she paid for to try to "lock him up". Turn about is going to be hilarious. Sadly, the bolded makes sense & seems plausible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, njbuff said: And how are the leftist morons in here going to spin what you said here. They're in the final stages of denial. The teeth gnashing and wailing will continue and grow louder the closer we get to the damn dam breaking. Let them rant. It's good for them to get all the poison out now, that way they can reset and re-calibrate when the truth is more widely exposed. We are going to need allies going forward, I expect most to hop on the train. Some will always be lost because they're either sock puppet accounts, trolling for laughs, or intellectual incapable of thinking for themselves. I think those are few though. The majority of them, even the ones protesting the loudest down here, are only doing so because they believe the narrative that's been peddled for over a year. imo of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: They're in the final stages of denial. The teeth gnashing and wailing will continue and grow louder the closer we get to the damn dam breaking. Let them rant. It's good for them to get all the poison out now, that way they can reset and re-calibrate when the truth is more widely exposed. We are going to need allies going forward, I expect most to hop on the train. Some will always be lost because they're either sock puppet accounts, trolling for laughs, or intellectual incapable of thinking for themselves. I think those are few though. The majority of them, even the ones protesting the loudest down here, are only doing so because they believe the narrative that's been peddled for over a year. imo of course. Sad part is the left could have beaten Trump at the political table. It should, and hopefully will, cost them big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 8 minutes ago, njbuff said: Sad part is the left could have beaten Trump at the political table. It should, and hopefully will, cost them big time. I'd argue Hillary was more to the right of centre than Trump her policy as SoS sure was.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 6 minutes ago, row_33 said: I'd argue Hillary was more to the right of centre than Trump her policy as SoS sure was.... Watch out, Hillary would have you murdered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 11 minutes ago, njbuff said: Watch out, Hillary would have you murdered. i kinda meant it as a positive thing i was 1000 to 1 sure she would have wrapped it up by 10pm that night.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 Just now, row_33 said: i kinda meant it as a positive thing i was 1000 to 1 sure she would have wrapped it up by 10pm that night.... She will still go after you, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 8 minutes ago, njbuff said: She will still go after you, lol. I hope she has better thangs to dewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 1 hour ago, DC Tom said: Who the !@#$ are you talking about? You have trouble following along? Go back and read the thread, stupid. Can't believe you are saying we shouldn't even be investigating Russian involvement. Hey, we were attacked, but since the Republicans benefited lets just ignore it and even ship all the voter information to Russia. What a tool you are 48 minutes ago, Taro T said: Sadly, the bolded makes sense & seems plausible. Sure, I mean if you enjoy breathing paint fumes, it makes perfect sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Tiberius said: You have trouble following along? Go back and read the thread, stupid. Can't believe you are saying we shouldn't even be investigating Russian involvement. Hey, we were attacked, but since the Republicans benefited lets just ignore it and even ship all the voter information to Russia. What a tool you are Sure, I mean if you enjoy breathing paint fumes as much as I do, it makes perfect sense Fixed it for you. Edited March 9, 2018 by 3rdnlng 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 This is an very good article, written by no fan of Trump, but honestly admitting the fallacy of this entire narrative. Who Believes in Russiagate? By Lee Smith Knowledgeable reporters on the left and right are frightened by the spread of an elite conspiracy theory among American media.......... Half the country hates Donald Trump, and even the half that thinks he’s doing a good job often flinch from his boorishness, his nasty public attacks, sometimes even on his own aides. For all the top talent he says he’s surrounded himself with, the president repeatedly attracts among the worst that Washington—and New York—have to offer. No doubt that’s one reason why whatever is thrown at him seems to stick. At the same time, there is a growing consensus among reporters and thinkers on the left and right—especially those who know anything about Russia, the surveillance apparatus, and intelligence bureaucracy—that the Russiagate-collusion theory that was supposed to end Trump’s presidency within six months has sprung more than a few holes. Worse, it has proved to be a cover for U.S. intelligence and law-enforcement bureaucracies to break the law, with what’s left of the press gleefully going along for the ride. Where Watergate was a story about a crime that came to define an entire generation’s oppositional attitude toward politicians and the country’s elite, Russiagate, they argue, has proved itself to be the reverse: It is a device that the American elite is using to define itself against its enemies—the rest of the country. Yet for its advocates, the questionable veracity of the Russiagate story seems much less important than what has become its real purpose—elite virtue-signaling. Buy into a storyline that turns FBI and CIA bureaucrats and their hand-puppets in the press into heroes while legitimizing the use of a vast surveillance apparatus for partisan purposes, and you’re in. Dissent, and you’re out, or worse—you’re defending Trump. Recently, a writer on The New Yorker blog named Adrian Chen gave voice to the central dilemma facing young media professionals who struggle to balance their need for social approval with the demands of fact-based analysis in the age of Trump. In an article pegged to special counsel Robert Mueller’s indictments of the Internet Research Agency, Chen referenced an article he had written about the IRA for The New York Times Magazine several years ago. After the Mueller indictments were announced, Chen was called on to lend his expertise regarding Russian troll farms and their effect on the American public sphere—an offer he recognized immediately as a can’t-win proposition. “Either I could stay silent,” wrote Chen, “and allow the conversation to be dominated by those pumping up the Russian threat, or I could risk giving fodder to Trump and his allies.” In other words, there’s the truth, and then there’s what’s even more important—sticking it to Trump. Choose wrong, even inadvertently, Chen explained, no matter how many times you deplore Trump, and you’ll be labeled a Trumpkin. (Excerpt) Read more at tabletmag.com ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DC Tom Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: The !@#$ is this bull ****? Which "duly elected president" are you talking about? Where the !@#$ did I ever say we shouldn't investigate Russian involvement? Stop projecting your own stupidity on to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, DC Tom said: The !@#$ is this bull ****? Which "duly elected president" are you talking about? Where the !@#$ did I ever say we shouldn't investigate Russian involvement? Stop projecting your own stupidity on to me. Read the thread and it will tell you. And you said the investigation was all bull and it was the reason we were all divided. I dont one need to project anything. You are a f n Jack ass 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 You really are a special kind of !@#$wit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 2 hours ago, Tiberius said: Read the thread and it will tell you. And you said the investigation was all bull and it was the reason we were all divided. I dont one need to project anything. You are a f n Jack ass You're a regular wordsmith, now aren't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 Prove a liberal is wrong and the swearing and dirty name calling begins 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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