Koko78 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Since when are Democrats serious and rational? Was when they pinned their hopes for impeachment on a porn star, without realizing it only gets them President Pence? I think their serious rationality goes back to when they were praying that the Electoral College would defect from Trump and elect Hillary. That or 'scream helplessly at the sky' day. Edited March 21, 2018 by Koko78 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 17 minutes ago, Koko78 said: I think their serious rationality goes back to when they were praying that the Electoral College would defect from Trump and elect Hillary. That or 'scream helplessly at the sky' day. they meant well bless their hearts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 3 hours ago, garybusey said: Like thinking that minorities can't get an ID to vote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 28 minutes ago, row_33 said: they meant well bless their hearts True. They also self-identify as rational and serious, so there's that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Quote Making a fuss is the first step. Now what? “Sen. Ben Sasse tore into President Donald Trump Wednesday for making a congratulatory call to Russian President Vladimir Putin, calling it ‘terribly ill-advised’ and urging staffers who leaked Trump’s briefing materials to resign. The Nebraska Republican, in a speech on the Senate floor, called Trump and White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders’ refusal to condemn Putin’s ‘sham’ election this week ‘very foolhardy’ — among the strongest statements made by a member of Trump’s own party in the aftermath of Trump’s call to the Russian president.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 20 hours ago, Koko78 said: True. They also self-identify as rational and serious, so there's that. they see every thought and emotional and thing they like as 100% hard scientific fact must be absolute hell to be under the power of a teacher or parent like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 21 hours ago, Tiberius said: Let's go Pence! You'd think Republicans would wise up and see him as a better option. But Republicans are Republicans We all know that Trump isn't leaving office and that removing him from office isn't the goal of the left until 2020. I'm afraid you're stuck with the kid from Queens for a few more years. Republicans are looking pretty smart politically actually having nominated Trump from a field of 16 candidates and pushing him over the finish line in 2016. As bad as Hillary was it would be hard to say that most of the other 15 candidates would have also defeated her. Would you agree or do you think Hillary would have been shellacked by any of them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 14 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: We all know that Trump isn't leaving office and that removing him from office isn't the goal of the left until 2020. I'm afraid you're stuck with the kid from Queens for a few more years. Republicans are looking pretty smart politically actually having nominated Trump from a field of 16 candidates and pushing him over the finish line in 2016. As bad as Hillary was it would be hard to say that most of the other 15 candidates would have also defeated her. Would you agree or do you think Hillary would have been shellacked by any of them? I don't know how a Rubio-Clinton election would have gone, or Cruz or any of the others. Impossible to say. I don't think any of the other candidates would have promised impossible things or made seriously outrageous claims. Trump did run a campaign promising to do things that are not going to happen, Mexico paying for a wall, Health Care system for everyone (Actually taking it away), four percent economic growth, etc. He had no intention of seriously governing the country so he could promise anything, so ya, Hillary might have beaten a serious candidate who had plans to seriously govern the country. I don't think Dems are stuck with Trump, he's great for the Democratic party. I'd think Republicans would be better off with Pence but the backlash against Trump being removed might wreck the party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 hour ago, keepthefaith said: We all know that Trump isn't leaving office and that removing him from office isn't the goal of the left until 2020. I'm afraid you're stuck with the kid from Queens for a few more years. Republicans are looking pretty smart politically actually having nominated Trump from a field of 16 candidates and pushing him over the finish line in 2016. As bad as Hillary was it would be hard to say that most of the other 15 candidates would have also defeated her. Would you agree or do you think Hillary would have been shellacked by any of them? None of the other GOPs would have stood a chance against her. Cruz wouldn't have taken a single state outside the Bible Belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 On 3/22/2018 at 4:55 AM, Tiberius said: Making a fuss is the first step. Now what? “Sen. Ben Sasse tore into President Donald Trump Wednesday for making a congratulatory call to Russian President Vladimir Putin, calling it ‘terribly ill-advised’ and urging staffers who leaked Trump’s briefing materials to resign. The Nebraska Republican, in a speech on the Senate floor, called Trump and White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders’ refusal to condemn Putin’s ‘sham’ election this week ‘very foolhardy’ — among the strongest statements made by a member of Trump’s own party in the aftermath of Trump’s call to the Russian president.” At least they didn't have an election where the person that got the most votes lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 11 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: At least they didn't have an election where the person that got the most votes lost. Apples and oranges, but you know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Just now, 3rdnlng said: Apples and oranges, but you know that. I know our founding fathers and their ultimate wisdom gave the EC to us. They also gave us a horribly worded second amendment. But come on, elections 101, the person with the most votes wins. Unless wealthy land owners are making the rules. George and Thomas and Ben etc. did a lot of good things with the constitution etc, but they also messed up on a few IMHO. But heck, nobody's perfect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 1 minute ago, reddogblitz said: I know our founding fathers and their ultimate wisdom gave the EC to us. They also gave us a horribly worded second amendment. But come on, elections 101, the person with the most votes wins. Unless wealthy land owners are making the rules. George and Thomas and Ben etc. did a lot of good things with the constitution etc, but they also messed up on a few IMHO. But heck, nobody's perfect. Well I guess this Republic that is a representative democracy, just can't compare with that wonderful democracy that is Russia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: I know our founding fathers and their ultimate wisdom gave the EC to us. They also gave us a horribly worded second amendment. But come on, elections 101, the person with the most votes wins. Unless wealthy land owners are making the rules. Not Elections 101. Democracy 101. When you get to 200-level Democracy, though, you discover that it's pretty much a **** show. Which is why we live in a democratic republic. It's less that the rulemakers were "wealthy landowners" than they were classically educated and knew things like "How Athenian democracy worked and didn't work." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Just now, DC Tom said: Not Elections 101. Democracy 101. When you get to 200-level Democracy, though, you discover that it's pretty much a **** show. Which is why we live in a democratic republic. It's less that the rulemakers were "wealthy landowners" than they were classically educated and knew things like "How Athenian democracy worked and didn't work." Thanks. I understand the argument. A couple of questions though. Are we the only 200 level democracy? Are there any others where the person with the most votes can still lose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 On 3/22/2018 at 12:39 PM, row_33 said: None of the other GOPs would have stood a chance against her. Cruz wouldn't have taken a single state outside the Bible Belt. Cruz pry wouldn't have won, but if he did I'm pretty sure he'd veto a $1.3 trillion dollar spending bill that includes funding for planned parenthood and sanctuary cities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Cruz pry wouldn't have won, but if he did I'm pretty sure he'd veto a $1.3 trillion dollar spending bill that includes funding for planned parenthood and sanctuary cities. Amen Doc, Horrible move by Trump. But what do I know ?..............the lemmings here think I;m a Trumbot.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly101 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Now that the left got this omnibus bill passed the trump russia thing will go away quietly. hopefully the 2020 gop candidate doesn't turn out to be a fraud too. Trump is done, going down as the softest president ever, punked by the likes of schumer and pelosi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 1 hour ago, reddogblitz said: Thanks. I understand the argument. A couple of questions though. Are we the only 200 level democracy? Are there any others where the person with the most votes can still lose? No, most are 300-level democracies, that parlimentarian and don't elect heads of state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/russia_report_findings_and_recommendations.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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