YoloinOhio Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Surprising since defense was the issue for the Raiders, not offense. 6th ranked offense in NFL. QB coach Todd Downing expected to replace him. He was Bills QB coach in 2014. http://oak.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Bill-Musgrave-not-expected-to-return-in-2017-50448483 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Top ten in points! Only the Bills would be this stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Wonder why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) Add him to the list then. Wonder why?Considering this is the NFL, is wager it had nothing to do with the product on the field. That is, his ego hurt another, more powerful, man's ego. Edited January 10, 2017 by Saint Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Maybe they were afraid Downing was going to get another job and wanted to keep him paired with Carr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 hard to imagine they'd do this without Carr's blessing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 hard to imagine they'd do this without Carr's blessing While I'm sure they may have asked for his input, I doubt they asked for his blessing. He's not that accomplished (yet). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) Maybe they were afraid Downing was going to get another job and wanted to keep him paired with Carr. I've seen some media tweets to that end. Makes sense. @caplannfl On QBs coach Todd Downing, coaches were told within last hour or so that he was being promoted to OC. Thoughts on Musgrave out: He did a solid job. JDR wants more out of the offensive personnel, especially RBs. More creativity. It's not often an offensive coordinator from 12-4, playoff team is not retained, but JDR wants more out of offensive personnel. Musgrave will have options elsewhere. His contract was up and was not renewed. Edited January 10, 2017 by Blokestradamus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 10, 2017 Author Share Posted January 10, 2017 @caplanNFL Thoughts on Musgrave out: He did a solid job. JDR wants more out of the offensive personnel, especially RBs. More creativity. It's not often an offensive coordinator from 12-4, playoff team is not retained, but JDR wants more out of offensive personnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 He's only had one year where he had a "successful" offense. JDR did him a favor letting him look for another job coming off last season. For some unidentifiable reason, I feel this is where Lynn ends up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Maybe they were afraid Downing was going to get another job and wanted to keep him paired with Carr. This is what I have heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 He's only had one year where he had a "successful" offense. JDR did him a favor letting him look for another job coming off last season. For some unidentifiable reason, I feel this is where Lynn ends up. As? Upthread it suggests Downing will be OC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cale Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 You know what's really funny? Tom Clements the Assistant HC/Offense for GB Packers used to be on our staff. As did Alex Van Pelt. We all know AVP. Also note that GB coveted JP Losman. They considered Aaron Rodgers the consolation prize. This is why we can't have nice things... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 You know what's really funny? Tom Clements the Assistant HC/Offense for GB Packers used to be on our staff. As did Alex Van Pelt. We all know AVP. Also note that GB coveted JP Losman. They considered Aaron Rodgers the consolation prize. This is why we can't have nice things... Clements called the plays for a spell last year. That didn't go well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Add him to the list then. Considering this is the NFL, is wager it had nothing to do with the product on the field. That is, his ego hurt another, more powerful, man's ego. bingo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 As? Upthread it suggests Downing will be OC. I said unidentifiable. I don't know. It's just a gut feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 You know what's really funny? Tom Clements the Assistant HC/Offense for GB Packers used to be on our staff. As did Alex Van Pelt. We all know AVP. Also note that GB coveted JP Losman. They considered Aaron Rodgers the consolation prize. This is why we can't have nice things... And if GB had drafted Losman, he'd probably be a Superbowl-winning, All-Pro, future Hall-of-Fame, State Farm Spokesman quarterback too. And Rodgers would have flamed out with the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Add him to the list then. Considering this is the NFL, is wager it had nothing to do with the product on the field. That is, his ego hurt another, more powerful, man's ego. Probably this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uffalo Ills Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 While I'm sure they may have asked for his input, I doubt they asked for his blessing. He's not that accomplished (yet). Doesn't matter how accomplished he is. He's clearly the face of the franchise and the leader of that offense. They'd need him to sign off on that kind of move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Doesn't matter how accomplished he is. He's clearly the face of the franchise and the leader of that offense. They'd need him to sign off on that kind of move. They may have solicited Carr's opinion but that's it. 'Sign off' means he could say no and change the decision and no player has that power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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