Marcell Dareus' thoughts on Rex Ryan's firing

[papazoid]

marcel is a selfish, immature, lazy, druggie.....and now apparently not too smart CANCER on this team.

 

what a long term disaster on our hands.

[26CornerBlitz]

marcel is a selfish, immature, lazy, druggie.....and now apparently not too smart CANCER on this team.

 

what a long term disaster on our hands.

 

He needs a coach who can get through to him. Lynn could be the one.

[thebandit27]

marcel is a selfish, immature, lazy, druggie.....and now apparently not too smart CANCER on this team.

 

what a long term disaster on our hands.

I'll give you selfish and immature. Maybe even druggie.

 

He is nowhere near lazy, dumb, or a cancer.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

I'll give you selfish and immature. Maybe even druggie.

 

He is nowhere near lazy, dumb, or a cancer.

 

Could you say a little more about this, what you know, how you know, and so forth?

 

The "lazy" perception of some is because he looks, em, a bit plump. Now it may be the coaches wanted him to "block more daylight" in a NT role thus he's gained weight, but the perception is he's not in top football shape.

The "dumb" perception of some is because Bart Scott says Rex's D is not that hard to master and implies any pro player who can't master it is looking for a "playbook written in crayon".

The "cancer" would be if he could have bought in and mastered the playbook, but didn't, thus hindering the success of the defense.

 

I don't know whether any of these things are true, but I don't know that they're not true either.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Shady had a great year. Gave his all. Kept his mouth shut. Stayed committed after getting his contract upped. Marcell could learn from that. Just stay out of trouble this offseason please Shady!

 

Agreed on all points

[thebandit27]

 

Could you say a little more about this, what you know, how you know, and so forth?

 

The "lazy" perception of some is because he looks, em, a bit plump. Now it may be the coaches wanted him to "block more daylight" in a NT role thus he's gained weight, but the perception is he's not in top football shape.

The "dumb" perception of some is because Bart Scott says Rex's D is not that hard to master and implies any pro player who can't master it is looking for a "playbook written in crayon".

The "cancer" would be if he could have bought in and mastered the playbook, but didn't, thus hindering the success of the defense.

 

I don't know whether any of these things are true, but I don't know that they're not true either.

Well, I've spoken with him more than once, so I'm basing the opinion that he's not dumb on my interactions with him.

 

I think we need to separate lazy and overweight. He trains his tail off--he's strong as an ox--so that's not lazy to me.

 

His eating habits are a real issue--to me, that's where selfish comes into play. Gotta think about more than your appetite and taste buds when your weight affects the team.

 

To me, a cancer is someone that causes problems with his attitude toward teammates and coaches--by all accounts that's not him. I also get the feeling that he's not speaking exclusively (or even mostly) about himself when he says that the defense is too complicated. When he references loses Aaron as a detriment to communications, that's mostly in the back 7, so admittedly I'm reading between the lines there.

 

I suppose some folks could call Dareus a de facto cancer because other players could resent that the highest paid player on the team isn't as committed to the game as guys like Shady etc.

 

Like I've said, I think he's got a lot of maturing to do; he could really be one of the best players in the league if he applies himself.

[Wayne Arnold]

marcel is a selfish, immature, lazy, druggie.....and now apparently not too smart CANCER on this team.

 

what a long term disaster on our hands.

 

At least he's not a hyperbolic drama queen.

[LabattBlue]

I'll give you selfish and immature. Maybe even druggie.

 

He is nowhere near lazy, dumb, or a cancer.

Drag racing down Milestrip Rd in the middle of the day?? DUMB!

[thebandit27]

Drag racing down Milestrip Rd in the middle of the day?? DUMB!

To me, that's immature.

 

I mean, I did that type of stuff when I was 21, and I'm not dumb.

 

Now, that doesn't mean I never did dumb stuff...obviously

[DrDawkinstein]

No discipline and no leadership.

 

Who's there to get in these players faces about knowing the damn playbook and their assignments?

 

Guarantee Rex wasn't.

 

You dont have to necessarily get in their faces, but you are certainly correct that the players were given no extra reason to care.

 

Check my recent post in Scott's Accountability thread, I think you'll like it.

To me, that's immature.

 

I mean, I did that type of stuff when I was 21, and I'm not dumb.

 

Now, that doesn't mean I never did dumb stuff...obviously

 

Yeah, that racing incident doesnt bother me. However, showing up dangerously out of shape for Week 5 is unacceptable and infuriating.

[papazoid]

Well, I've spoken with him more than once, so I'm basing the opinion that he's not dumb on my interactions with him.

 

I think we need to separate lazy and overweight. He trains his tail off--he's strong as an ox--so that's not lazy to me.

 

His eating habits are a real issue--to me, that's where selfish comes into play. Gotta think about more than your appetite and taste buds when your weight affects the team.

 

To me, a cancer is someone that causes problems with his attitude toward teammates and coaches--by all accounts that's not him. I also get the feeling that he's not speaking exclusively (or even mostly) about himself when he says that the defense is too complicated. When he references loses Aaron as a detriment to communications, that's mostly in the back 7, so admittedly I'm reading between the lines there.

 

I suppose some folks could call Dareus a de facto cancer because other players could resent that the highest paid player on the team isn't as committed to the game as guys like Shady etc.

 

Like I've said, I think he's got a lot of maturing to do; he could really be one of the best players in the league if he applies himself.

 

dareus QUIT on his teammates...just slightly different than Mario (CANCER).

 

got himself suspended. then came back completely out of shape (SELFISH, LAZY, DRUGGIE)

 

he fancies himself a penetrating DT...not a NT. he was asked to stop the run....he gave a half ass effort in the classroom knowing the playbook (not smart & CANCER) and on the field he was manhandled this season.

 

comes to meetings late....habitually....no self discipline. that causes huge dissension in a locker room ...hence Sammy and shady speaking out. (CANCER)

 

 

guy is in COMPLETE DENIAL.....team announces he is entering rehab...HE NEVER GOES......(more CANCER)

[LabattBlue]

 

 

 

Yeah, that racing incident doesnt bother me. However, showing up dangerously out of shape for Week 5 is unacceptable and infuriating.

Would it have bothered you if he plowed into a group of people instead of a tree?

[dave mcbride]

Well, I've spoken with him more than once, so I'm basing the opinion that he's not dumb on my interactions with him.

I think we need to separate lazy and overweight. He trains his tail off--he's strong as an ox--so that's not lazy to me.

His eating habits are a real issue--to me, that's where selfish comes into play. Gotta think about more than your appetite and taste buds when your weight affects the team.

To me, a cancer is someone that causes problems with his attitude toward teammates and coaches--by all accounts that's not him. I also get the feeling that he's not speaking exclusively (or even mostly) about himself when he says that the defense is too complicated. When he references loses Aaron as a detriment to communications, that's mostly in the back 7, so admittedly I'm reading between the lines there.

I suppose some folks could call Dareus a de facto cancer because other players could resent that the highest paid player on the team isn't as committed to the game as guys like Shady etc.

Like I've said, I think he's got a lot of maturing to do; he could really be one of the best players in the league if he applies himself.

Great post. He really has played well of late. He was actually often dominant in the Steelers game, but the rest of the front seven and the safeties were horrible.

[Gugny]

 

You dont have to necessarily get in their faces, but you are certainly correct that the players were given no extra reason to care.

 

Check my recent post in Scott's Accountability thread, I think you'll like it.

 

Yeah, that racing incident doesnt bother me. However, showing up dangerously out of shape for Week 5 is unacceptable and infuriating.

 

I agree with this, as well as Bandito's and Scott Law's recent posts.

 

This is definitely where a lack of leadership reared its ugly head.

 

Part of being a leader is also listening. Rex's communication style is one-way. This is how it's going to be. You don't like it? !@#$ off.

 

He forced a crap system down his players' throats. The players knew it wouldn't work. He did it anyway.

 

Result? Our two best players in Mario and Dareus went south. Is it right? No. But don't forget, these guys are human. They can be immature. They can be brats and babies, just like any other adult can.

 

And it takes a leader to communicate to those people. To talk with them instead of at them. To adjust.

 

I don't put it all on Rex, but I put a lot of it on him.

[thebandit27]

dareus QUIT on his teammates...just slightly different than Mario (CANCER).

 

got himself suspended. then came back completely out of shape (SELFISH, LAZY, DRUGGIE)

 

he fancies himself a penetrating DT...not a NT. he was asked to stop the run....he gave a half ass effort in the classroom knowing the playbook (not smart & CANCER) and on the field he was manhandled this season.

 

comes to meetings late....habitually....no self discipline. that causes huge dissension in a locker room ...hence Sammy and shady speaking out. (CANCER)

 

 

guy is in COMPLETE DENIAL.....team announces he is entering rehab...HE NEVER GOES......(more CANCER)

I NEVER saw him quit on the field. In fact, the only time I remember him being pushed around is his year's Pittsburgh game.

 

Suffice to say, I disagree with you on this.

[DrDawkinstein]

Would it have bothered you if he plowed into a group of people instead of a tree?

 

Sure, but he didnt, Millions of things "could" happen everyday, but don't. I don't let what "could have" happened set my tone for reality.

[dave mcbride]

I NEVER saw him quit on the field. In fact, the only time I remember him being pushed around is his year's Pittsburgh game.

Suffice to say, I disagree with you on this.

Watch that pitt game again. He had something like 3 stuffs on the steelers final two possessions. He was playing hard and producing til the end. The rest of them though ...

I agree with this, as well as Bandito's and Scott Law's recent posts.

 

This is definitely where a lack of leadership reared its ugly head.

 

Part of being a leader is also listening. Rex's communication style is one-way. This is how it's going to be. You don't like it? !@#$ off.

 

He forced a crap system down his players' throats. The players knew it wouldn't work. He did it anyway.

 

Result? Our two best players in Mario and Dareus went south. Is it right? No. But don't forget, these guys are human. They can be immature. They can be brats and babies, just like any other adult can.

 

And it takes a leader to communicate to those people. To talk with them instead of at them. To adjust.

 

I don't put it all on Rex, but I put a lot of it on him.

I think dareus didn't produce as much because of the system, but he has played well when in there. Williams simply lost a step ans stopped caring. I think 2014 was the last good season he had in him, regardless of the coach. He is now a roster-fringe player.

[DrDawkinstein]

 

I agree with this, as well as Bandito's and Scott Law's recent posts.

 

This is definitely where a lack of leadership reared its ugly head.

 

Part of being a leader is also listening. Rex's communication style is one-way. This is how it's going to be. You don't like it? !@#$ off.

 

He forced a crap system down his players' throats. The players knew it wouldn't work. He did it anyway.

 

Result? Our two best players in Mario and Dareus went south. Is it right? No. But don't forget, these guys are human. They can be immature. They can be brats and babies, just like any other adult can.

 

And it takes a leader to communicate to those people. To talk with them instead of at them. To adjust.

 

I don't put it all on Rex, but I put a lot of it on him.

 

I dont think it was Rex being pig-headed with his scheme. Dareus played well for the few minutes he was actually on the field this year.

 

Rex contributed to ruining Dareus by allowing his usual frat house, "do what you want, be yourself", culture.

 

Dareus needs a strong leader to thrive. Look how well he did at Alabama under Nick Saban.

 

Football players LIKE being coached. To take a phrase from parenting books "They need a coach, not a friend".

[LabattBlue]

The Dareus supporters crack me up. The jerkoff is 26 years old(27 in a couple months)...and he is still "immature"? Just face facts...he conned the Bills out of 10's of millions of dollars in guaranteed money, and they are stuck with him.

 

Sure, but he didnt, Millions of things "could" happen everyday, but don't. I don't let what "could have" happened set my tone for reality.

...and those things that "could" happen, are much more likely to occur to the guy drag racing down a blvd, versus the average joe doing 40 MPH in the right lane.

[DrDawkinstein]

The Dareus supporters crack me up. The jerkoff is 26 years old(27 in a couple months)...and he is still "immature"? Just face facts...he conned the Bills out of 10's of millions of dollars in guaranteed money, and they are stuck with him.

 

This post tells me you dont know many 26/27 year olds nowadays, and certainly don't manage them. Kids stay kids longer with every generation. Not an excuse, but you have to know it, accept it, and react/manage accordingly to get them to succeed.

 

Especially when we are talking about coddled professional athletes.

 

Not excusing their behavior, just facing the reality.