Kelly the Dog Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 Not having Easley surely hurt our ST. It's noticeable when he is in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 27, 2016 Author Share Posted December 27, 2016 Even kicking - I think we have been at times lazy in technique and forward thinking. Look at the articles about our approach to xp vs other teams that have shifted things around with success Good to know - will do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 Not having Easley surely hurt our ST. It's noticeable when he is in there. Is he trying to come back? That was terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boco357 Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 Can we please find a kicker that can boot the ball out of the endzone? Every other kicker in the league can do this it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 Good to know - will do. I don't even know what to search but early in the year there were writeuos about mechanics and ball placement for them. Crossman has always been a guy that I think is a bit lazy and gets by only when given ridiculous talent and support. Carpenters decline might be a lack of professional coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 2016 ST stats:  30th in FG percentage 27th in XP percentage 30th in net punting yardage average 26th in inside-the-20 percentage on punts 21st in kickoff return yardage average  They are 6th in punt return yardage average  Overall, they were pretty bad. In close games, this stuff makes a difference, obviously. Injuries hurt a lot. But it got worse and worse week after week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 27, 2016 Author Share Posted December 27, 2016 Can we please find a kicker that can boot the ball out of the endzone? Every other kicker in the league can do this it seems. It was inexcusable that they had to carry 2 kickers - and even more inexcusable that not carrying Gay in the Miami game probably cost them the game! Before that last kickoff, I was saying, my god, for once in your life kick it deep into or out of the EZ. Instead, he kicks a low one that the returner caught at around the 2-3 yard line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 Injuries hurt a lot. But it got worse and worse week after week. well, that and we didnt carry like 6 guys solely for special teams -- when he was "successful" here we were committing a ton of resources to the squad. even if the rankings were high, the logistics made it a fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 I don't even know what to search but early in the year there were writeuos about mechanics and ball placement for them. Crossman has always been a guy that I think is a bit lazy and gets by only when given ridiculous talent and support. Carpenters decline might be a lack of professional coaching. How do you coach an NFL kicker to kick a 33 yard FG. There was a stat earlier where the top ten kickers were 44-45 from 32 or 33 yards but had collectively missed 12 extra points. There may be head games to coach, because it is clearly mental, but there is no strategy to kick a 33 yarder that the veteran kicker doesn't know. Teams aren't given any advantage on defense, if anything they may even try less. Laziness is probably the key word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boco357 Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 It was inexcusable that they had to carry 2 kickers - and even more inexcusable that not carrying Gay in the Miami game probably cost them the game! Before that last kickoff, I was saying, my god, for once in your life kick it deep into or out of the EZ. Instead, he kicks a low one that the returner caught at around the 2-3 yard line. That big Logan Thomas signing!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 (edited) How do you coach an NFL kicker to kick a 33 yard FG. There was a stat earlier where the top ten kickers were 44-45 from 32 or 33 yards but had collectively missed 12 extra points. There may be head games to coach, because it is clearly mental, but there is no strategy to kick a 33 yarder that the veteran kicker doesn't know. Teams aren't given any advantage on defense, if anything they may even try less. Laziness is probably the key word. if i recall there were concerns along the lines of just treating it like an extra point and jogging out there instead of getting it spotted at the preferred hash and actually treating it as a real field goal. its been months since i read the article but it really came across as taking them for granted as just an extra point for a decent stretch. and how do you coach the kicker? you watch his technique, and his habits and you direct him with advice to improve and maximize those Edited December 27, 2016 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wagon Circler Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 Would really like to see Gillislee given a shot to return kicks. Noticed him on kickoffs in the Miami game. No opportunities though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 2016 ST stats:  30th in FG percentage 27th in XP percentage 30th in net punting yardage average 26th in inside-the-20 percentage on punts 21st in kickoff return yardage average  They are 6th in punt return yardage average  Overall, they were pretty bad. In close games, this stuff makes a difference, obviously. I think poor ST coverage on kickoffs is what lost the game against the Dolphins. Had they not got that great return at the end, we would have kept them out of field goal range. Oft overlooked, ST is very important, especially in close games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 if i recall there were concerns along the lines of just treating it like an extra point and jogging out there instead of getting it spotted at the preferred hash and actually treating it as a real field goal. its been months since i read the article but it really came across as taking them for granted as just an extra point for a decent stretch. and how do you coach the kicker? you watch his technique, and his habits and you direct him with advice to improve and maximize those If the Bills coaches weren't treating it like a 33 yard FG they should have been fired after the second miss last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 Yes, our Special Teams play seemed to just go downhill all year. And the final minutes of the game Saturday were just the climax of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 and all this after we keep bringing up speciality kickers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 Bring back Bobby April!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 Our coach has had far more disastrous years than good - we gave him a ton to work with to have any success Not sure how much he was given to work with when Carpender can't do kick off's, was spotty on extra points and then field goals, and Schmidt was a disaster as a punter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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