OCinBuffalo Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 (edited) I haven't seen this discussed nor have I heard anybody talk about it. Consider: New England Punting NO YDS AVG TB IN 20 LONG Ryan Allen 6 313 52.2 0 2 58 That's 313 yards of field position...which is more yards than their entire offense had: 277 Add that to the fact that we: 1. Were obviously in a run-first game-plan 2. Never trailed And, it's pretty easy to see why we didn't blow them out. 40 is a good average. 52.2 is ridiculous. Especially when you consider the # of 3 and outs they had. Our average drive start for the game was our own 23! That doesn't sound right, but it is. In fact, we had the same average drive start as the Pats. When you include everything else: their punter made a huge difference. EDIT: 2 inside our 20 as well. Thus, we had to drive the ball 75+ yards on average per drive, and we only had 9 drives all game. Lots of running(for the right reasons) + a punter w/ 52.2 average = no blow out. Edited October 4, 2016 by OCinBuffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 He was easily their best player on Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricojes Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 I haven't seen this discussed nor have I heard anybody talk about it. Consider: New England Punting NO YDS AVG TB IN 20 LONG Ryan Allen 6 313 52.2 0 2 58 That's 313 yards of field position...which is more yards than their entire offense had: 277 Add that to the fact that we: 1. Were obviously in a run-first game-plan 2. Never trailed And, it's pretty easy to see why we didn't blow them out. 40 is a good average. 52.2 is ridiculous. Especially when you consider the # of 3 and outs they had. Our average drive start for the game was our own 23! That doesn't sound right, but it is. In fact, we had the same average drive start as the Pats. When you include everything else: their punter made a huge difference. EDIT: 2 inside our 20 as well. Thus, we had to drive the ball 75+ yards on average per drive, and we only had 9 drives all game. Lots of running(for the right reasons) + a punter w/ 52.2 average = no blow out. Usually they don't even activate a punter when playing the Bills... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 That's some great perspective....appreciate the info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsrhody Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 The NFL Is in a Golden Age of PuntingFor most fans, punting is boring. It’s just hard to muster excitement over a play that is a concession of failure. That said, Week 4 was the latest showing of what’s already been an amazing season for NFL punters. Through four games, all 32 teams are averaging at least 40 yards per punt. That type of distance isn’t new (the 2014 Buccaneers were the last team not to hit that mark), but the consistency of the league’s best punters is. Five teams — the Giants, Saints, Panthers, Cowboys, and Raiders — are averaging at least 50 yards per punt. Only two hit that figure five years ago; going back 10 years, none did. And distance is only part of the equation. Actual 40 yards per punt is the minimum right now... Robert Mays had a pretty good write up in his weekly recap on why we're in the golden age of punting https://theringer.com/nfl-week-4-recap-pittsburgh-steelers-ben-roethlisberger-bd5e78da8daf#.ole7dt3xm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 At the Ravens game Sunday the Oakland punter was doing the Ray Lewis dance after a few coffin corner beauties.. It was pretty funny, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted October 4, 2016 Author Share Posted October 4, 2016 (edited) Actual 40 yards per punt is the minimum right now... Robert Mays had a pretty good write up in his weekly recap on why we're in the golden age of punting https://theringer.com/nfl-week-4-recap-pittsburgh-steelers-ben-roethlisberger-bd5e78da8daf#.ole7dt3xm From your article: In Week 3, the Patriots’ Ryan Allen controlled a 27–0 shutout of the Texans by pinning Houston inside its own 20 on all of his seven punts. Thus, I'd say that Allen is top of the league, and therefore, punting in general doesn't detract from my 2nd point: the Pats* punter kicked for more yards than their offense gained. If anything, you are reinforcing my main point, we didn't get a blowout, that many posters and callers expected, given how the game was going, because: punting. To combine it all: Punting is way better than expected recently, so, we should all take that into account going forward. If punting continues to have this big of an effect on the game...perhaps it should be added to fantasy. Edited October 4, 2016 by OCinBuffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsrhody Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Thus, I'd say that Allen is top of the league, and therefore, punting in general doesn't detract from my 2nd point: the Pats* punter kicked for more yards than their offense gained. If anything, you are reinforcing my main point, we didn't get a blowout, that many posters and callers expected, given how the game was going, because: punting. To combine it all: Punting is way better than expected recently, so, we should all take that into account going forward. If punting continues to have this big of an effect on the game...perhaps it should be added to fantasy. Sorry, wasn't trying to detract from your point, I completely agree. Punting in general is becoming a huge part of the game and Allen in certainly one of the best in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 (edited) He was easily their best player on Sunday. By far and it wasn't even close. Reminds me of so many Bills teams with Moorman sadly enough, lmao!!! Edited October 4, 2016 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 He was easily their best player on Sunday. Great reminder of when Brian Moorman was the best player on the Bills squad. It's great to have a very good punter but really sad when he is the highlight of the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 I miss mesko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dulles Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 He was easily their best player on Sunday. Hopefully they are headed toward a decade during which he is their MVP. I am embarrassed by memories of our great hope - Brian Moorman! Nothing against the fleet-footed punter...but you never want your punter to be your MVP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 that's the Pats #1 Punter, #1 Kicker, #1 QB, #1 TE. That may be enough to make them #1 again. If their defense continues to play at a high level and the O-Line can give Brady enough time, this is a tough team to beat. Game #2 we will have to play lights out on D and get a few breaks to win. We have to hit Brady hard and often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Great reminder of when Brian Moorman was the best player on the Bills squad. It's great to have a very good punter but really sad when he is the highlight of the roster. Hopefully they are headed toward a decade during which he is their MVP. I am embarrassed by memories of our great hope - Brian Moorman! Nothing against the fleet-footed punter...but you never want your punter to be your MVP. No doubt gents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 From your article: In Week 3, the Patriots’ Ryan Allen controlled a 27–0 shutout of the Texans by pinning Houston inside its own 20 on all of his seven punts. Thus, I'd say that Allen is top of the league, and therefore, punting in general doesn't detract from my 2nd point: the Pats* punter kicked for more yards than their offense gained. If anything, you are reinforcing my main point, we didn't get a blowout, that many posters and callers expected, given how the game was going, because: punting. To combine it all: Punting is way better than expected recently, so, we should all take that into account going forward. If punting continues to have this big of an effect on the game...perhaps it should be added to fantasy. Was there no room in your analysis for the fact that their offense was led by the rookie 3rd string QB in his second start? It was the punting, you say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Don't forget the difference between gross punting yards and net punting yards. The latter takes into account punt return yards, touchbacks, etc. A net average of 40 over an entire season has been the ultimate goal of most punters, up until the last couple of years. There have been several to achieve that recently, which is new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Bills didn't blow them out because they couldn't get the ball into the endzone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Did it say the NET average or just the kick average? If the NET average is 52, that is just ridiculous. 40 would be a good NET average but a mediocre punt average Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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