Bills need to Tank like the Sabres

[May Day 10]

Tanking in the NFL is silly. It is not like the NHL where 1/3 of the time, the 1st overall pick or 2 are guaranteed franchise players

 

 

What they can do is get new upper management, rip the thing down to the studs and be rid of aging, long term commitments. Trade what you can for picks. Stock up on picks. trade down every opportunity unless you love a QB. Get a GM who shares the vision of upper management, and find a coach/staff who continues the forward thinking vision and attention to detail.

 

As a result, there will likely be a couple really ugly years for transition. It is necessary and I would have no problem with it. High picks for quality trade-down pieces and multiple chances to find a QB. They would likely emerge right as Brady is about done.

[Fadingpain]

Tanking in the NFL is silly. It is not like the NHL where 1/3 of the time, the 1st overall pick or 2 are guaranteed franchise players

 

 

What they can do is get new upper management, rip the thing down to the studs and be rid of aging, long term commitments. Trade what you can for picks. Stock up on picks. trade down every opportunity unless you love a QB. Get a GM who shares the vision of upper management, and find a coach/staff who continues the forward thinking vision and attention to detail.

 

As a result, there will likely be a couple really ugly years for transition. It is necessary and I would have no problem with it. High picks for quality trade-down pieces and multiple chances to find a QB. They would likely emerge right as Brady is about done.

Don't disagree with a lot of what you post here, but you make it out like a top pick in the NFL draft is a 50/50 proposition.

 

The reality is that reliable, elite talent is almost always available at the very sharp end of the draft, particularly if you throw out the QBs, who often are gambles and the teams taking them very highly know that.

 

There are always exceptions; some great players don't go high in the draft and some very highly drafted players turn out to be average or crap.

 

But overall, I love the idea of picking 1, 2, or 3 to start every round of a draft.

[metzelaars_lives]

The NFL doesn't work that way. In the NHL, if you pick first, 9/10 years you're going to get a sure fire slam dunk can't miss franchise forward. In the NFL, you could go through painstaking efforts to tank- and you'd have to really try- and by the time you get there, you could be looking at the draft where Erik Fisher goes 1st overall. Maybe you need to go around the league and discover that the majority of the best QB's were not drafted 1-2 overall. It's just not a sound strategy in the NFL. The Sabres couldn't have done it any better.

Tanking in the NFL is silly. It is not like the NHL where 1/3 of the time, the 1st overall pick or 2 are guaranteed franchise players

 

 

What they can do is get new upper management, rip the thing down to the studs and be rid of aging, long term commitments. Trade what you can for picks. Stock up on picks. trade down every opportunity unless you love a QB. Get a GM who shares the vision of upper management, and find a coach/staff who continues the forward thinking vision and attention to detail.

 

As a result, there will likely be a couple really ugly years for transition. It is necessary and I would have no problem with it. High picks for quality trade-down pieces and multiple chances to find a QB. They would likely emerge right as Brady is about done.

Exactly.

[BringBackOrton]

The NFL doesn't work that way. In the NHL, if you pick first, 9/10 years you're going to get a sure fire slam dunk can't miss franchise forward. In the NFL, you could go through painstaking efforts to tank- and you'd have to really try- and by the time you get there, you could be looking at the draft where Erik Fisher goes 1st overall. Maybe you need to go around the league and discover that the majority of the best QB's were not drafted 1-2 overall. It's just not a sound strategy in the NFL. The Sabres couldn't have done it any better.

Exactly.

The majority of the good ones were drafted high in the 1st round.

 

Winston, Mariota, Ryan, Newton, Smith, Cutler, Stafford, Bradford, Luck, Eli, Rivers, Big Ben, Palmer and last year Manning.

 

Pick 15-20 ain't gonna get you any of those guys. Sure, you may get lucky with Brees, Wilson, Carr, Bridgewater or Rodgers but other than that, your best chance is a high 1st.

Edited December 5, 2016 by jmc12290

[bschmoove]

Tanking - that's the spirit. Total loser mentality.

[Jerry Jabber]

Yes, I would imagine Whaley's days are indeed numbered...and yes...Pegula does not come across like a particularly bright guy, he is the least informed "big sports fan" you know of, and hockey is his thing, not football.

 

It may take a while for the ship to be righted in O.P.

 

I have higher hopes for the Sabres, though even that rebuild is showing signs of weaknesses far beyond the key injuries we suffered through to start the season.

This is true, but a "tank" or a very high draft pick need not be limited to only a QB.

 

If you are tanking strictly to get a franchise QB, your tank may well fail.

 

If you are tanking to load the team with talent at key positions, it is likely to work quite well, even if "misses" are always a part of the game.

 

Our best player is arguably Marcell Dareus, who also came to us as the 3rd overall pick in the 2011 draft...our highest pick in many years.

 

That draft saw Cam Newton go #1, Von Miller #2, Marcell #3, and AJ Green #4.

 

Would any of those guys help us win games? I would think so.

 

Super top talent is always available at the very top of the draft.

 

It is not always a QB though.

Why must a tank be limited to a QB?

 

I agree. Bruce Smith was taken #1 by the Bills.

[Jerry Jabber]

The majority of the good ones were drafted high in the 1st round.

 

Winston, Mariota, Ryan, Newton, Smith, Cutler, Stafford, Bradford, Luck, Eli, Rivers, Big Ben, Palmer and last year Manning.

 

Pick 15-20 ain't gonna get you any of those guys. Sure, you may get lucky with Brees, Wilson, Carr, Bridgewater or Rodgers but other than that, your best chance is a high 1st.

+1

[8-8 Forever?]

go 4-0 and you have a decent chance of getting in. why not 4-0? We've been waiting for the easier part of the schedule and here it is after the bye. Raiders game was the only "probably lose " game. and they had Raiders 24-9 on the road down a bunch of guys... we are 2-1 after the bye with 4 winnable games to finish out. chin up people.

no reason why they won't to the same to the Stillers and actually close the deal. win and we're both 7-6. Phins choking now and now get a now-good Cardinals team who need a win. We could all three be 7-6 a week from now pretty reasonably. KC gets Raiders Thursday. chin up people. its a 16 game season. bunch o monday a.m. babies. go bills. 16 games.

Edited December 5, 2016 by 8and8-->NoMore

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Let's face it, the Bills will not ever be a winning team without a real franchise QB. They haven't been fortunate enough to luck into a great one. With finishing between 6-10 and 9-7, the Bills are too high on the draft board to pick a franchise QB. They need to start over, Tank like the Sabres and have two to three drafts where they are picking in the Top 5 to get some elite players.

 

Too late this yr maybe next yr, plus there isn't any QB this yr.

[JohnC]

Yes, I would imagine Whaley's days are indeed numbered...and yes...Pegula does not come across like a particularly bright guy, he is the least informed "big sports fan" you know of, and hockey is his thing, not football.

 

It may take a while for the ship to be righted in O.P.

 

I have higher hopes for the Sabres, though even that rebuild is showing signs of weaknesses far beyond the key injuries we suffered through to start the season.

This is true, but a "tank" or a very high draft pick need not be limited to only a QB.

 

If you are tanking strictly to get a franchise QB, your tank may well fail.

 

If you are tanking to load the team with talent at key positions, it is likely to work quite well, even if "misses" are always a part of the game.

 

Our best player is arguably Marcell Dareus, who also came to us as the 3rd overall pick in the 2011 draft...our highest pick in many years.

 

That draft saw Cam Newton go #1, Von Miller #2, Marcell #3, and AJ Green #4.

 

Would any of those guys help us win games? I would think so.

 

Super top talent is always available at the very top of the draft.

 

It is not always a QB though.

Why must a tank be limited to a QB?

 

Yes, I would imagine Whaley's days are indeed numbered...and yes...Pegula does not come across like a particularly bright guy, he is the least informed "big sports fan" you know of, and hockey is his thing, not football.

 

It may take a while for the ship to be righted in O.P.

 

I have higher hopes for the Sabres, though even that rebuild is showing signs of weaknesses far beyond the key injuries we suffered through to start the season.

This is true, but a "tank" or a very high draft pick need not be limited to only a QB.

 

If you are tanking strictly to get a franchise QB, your tank may well fail.

 

If you are tanking to load the team with talent at key positions, it is likely to work quite well, even if "misses" are always a part of the game.

 

Our best player is arguably Marcell Dareus, who also came to us as the 3rd overall pick in the 2011 draft...our highest pick in many years.

 

That draft saw Cam Newton go #1, Von Miller #2, Marcell #3, and AJ Green #4.

 

Would any of those guys help us win games? I would think so.

 

Super top talent is always available at the very top of the draft.

 

It is not always a QB though.

Why must a tank be limited to a QB?

I never suggested a tank. I said the exact opposite that it isn't required to get a good qb! Tanking would be a self-destructive approach to take that would set this plagued franchise even further!

[Mr. WEO]

For the same number of years the Sabres have been "tanking", or just for the remainder of this season?

[dorquemada]

 

go 4-0 and you have a decent chance of getting in. why not 4-0? We've been waiting for the easier part of the schedule and here it is after the bye. Raiders game was the only "probably lose " game. and they had Raiders 24-9 on the road down a bunch of guys... we are 2-1 after the bye with 4 winnable games to finish out. chin up people.

no reason why they won't to the same to the Stillers and actually close the deal. win and we're both 7-6. Phins choking now and now get a now-good Cardinals team who need a win. We could all three be 7-6 a week from now pretty reasonably. KC gets Raiders Thursday. chin up people. its a 16 game season. bunch o monday a.m. babies. go bills. 16 games.

 

 

did you watch the game yesterday? For the Bills to win, they need to be spotted 30 points, then have the game only last 20 minutes

Tanking - that's the spirit. Total loser mentality.

 

Not sure if you've been paying attention this year, but nobody is considering the Bills winners right now. Remember how caremad we all were over the summer when the various prognosticators were picking the bills to finish 3rd or 4th in the AFCE? Huh, weird that, almost like a dispassionate analysis of the Bills roster and coaching staff would lead one to recognize that they are, in fact, losers, and thus in possession of a 'losers mentality'. Winners don't lose the way the bills did yesterday.

[Jerry Jabber]

For the same number of years the Sabres have been "tanking", or just for the remainder of this season?

However long it takes to get some elite talent, especially at the QB position.

[Dr. Fong]

You don't need to tank to get a franchise QB. Dan Prescott went in the 4th round. Why is he doing so well? Part of it is he's a great player partnofmit is the Cowboys built a murderous offensive line and have some great weapons to surround Prescott.

[John from Riverside]

Tank for who?

[metzelaars_lives]

The majority of the good ones were drafted high in the 1st round.

 

Winston, Mariota, Ryan, Newton, Smith, Cutler, Stafford, Bradford, Luck, Eli, Rivers, Big Ben, Palmer and last year Manning.

 

Pick 15-20 ain't gonna get you any of those guys. Sure, you may get lucky with Brees, Wilson, Carr, Bridgewater or Rodgers but other than that, your best chance is a high 1st.

Ha you just included Teddy Bridgewater in the same class as Brees, Wilson, Carr and Rodgers? Let's see him have a better season than our own QB did last year first.

[Formerly Allan in MD]

Let's face it, the Bills will not ever be a winning team without a real franchise QB. They haven't been fortunate enough to luck into a great one. With finishing between 6-10 and 9-7, the Bills are too high on the draft board to pick a franchise QB. They need to start over, Tank like the Sabres and have two to three drafts where they are picking in the Top 5 to get some elite players.

And without a head coach who has a clue.

[Dragonborn10]

1. First there is not a QB worth tanking for

2. The key to the draft is to trade down and get more picks - the Bills needs two safeties, a RT, a QB or two, a WR or two, and a LB or two. And that is if they keep Gilmore. And those are all needs for starters.

 

If they move on from TT, they are in full rebuild mode for two seasons. Which means Kyle is gone, Shady won't have anything left, Watkins will be a FA and will want the hell out, Richie and Wood are gone, and Glenn probably starts to decline. Best case scenario, they switch to a 4-3 and Lawson and Ragland are stars, they bring back Z Brown, and they draft the next Earl Thomas.

[BringBackOrton]

Ha you just included Teddy Bridgewater in the same class as Brees, Wilson, Carr and Rodgers? Let's see him have a better season than our own QB did last year first.

Every GM in the NFL takes Teddy over Taylor. That wasn't a class, it was starter quality/franchise guys not taken in the high 1st.

 

Not to get away from the point that you were wrong, of course.

Edited December 6, 2016 by jmc12290

[Jerry Jabber]

You don't need to tank to get a franchise QB. Dan Prescott went in the 4th round. Why is he doing so well? Part of it is he's a great player partnofmit is the Cowboys built a murderous offensive line and have some great weapons to surround Prescott.

Who's Dan Prescott? Just kidding, probably auto correct changed it. How often do lower round QB's pan out? Not that many, otherwise there would be more teams with franchise QB's. As I said earlier, there's a Trent Edwards, Mike Glennon and Ryan Nassib for every Carr, Prescott and Wilson.